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05-01-2013, 01:31 PM
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Same. He wasn't great, but he did do his job defensively. Is that not enough? Sure, he could have been better, but so could have a lot of players, to be honest. J-Bo needs to put more on his passes. Perron needs to stop stickhandling instead of reading the ice. I'd like to see better and more D to D passes as well. Have to get goalies moving side to side and create lanes through passing.
Wanna know something crazy? The fact that we are sitting here nitpicking Perron, and Perron alone over a game we won tells me we played really freaking well.

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So awesome to watch. Love the part starting at 2:21 that shows that maze of players coming into the pile.
Lol poor Schwartzy. He's just a little guy...he can't join in.

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So the key to this series is forcing Quick to play the puck?

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So the key to this series is forcing Quick to play the puck?
So instead of shooting the puck at Quick...we "pass" it to him

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seeing the video with Kelly and pang calling the game on FSM makes me sad i had to watch it on CNBC.....

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I may be alone in this but I didn't think Quick was anywhere as good as he's been in two years against us. He gave up a ton of fat rebounds, he was scrambling, misplaying the puck all night and was literally beat for a goal at least 7-10 times. The Blues just didn't bury the puck. Watching that game I wasn't the least bit intimidated by him. He wasn't awful but I didn't think he was amazing by any stretch. I'd take that game from hm every night if I could.

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Just wonder what defensive pairings you all would like to see for game 2. Personally I did not believe Shatty or Jackman played very well and would like to see Russell get in game 2.
J-Bo/Pietro
Leo/Shatty
Russell/Polak
Give Jackman extra rest.

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05-01-2013, 03:48 PM
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Also wouldn't mind seeing Tarasenko in for A-Mac or Oshie(only if ankle not responding well).

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Just wonder what defensive pairings you all would like to see for game 2. Personally I did not believe Shatty or Jackman played very well and would like to see Russell get in game 2.
J-Bo/Pietro
Leo/Shatty
Russell/Polak
Give Jackman extra rest.
No way in hell to sitting jackman. He made one bad pass. Other than that he played awesome. What I'd like to see is Jax go back with Shatty and slide Leopold down with polak.

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05-01-2013, 04:55 PM
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I may be alone in this but I didn't think Quick was anywhere as good as he's been in two years against us. He gave up a ton of fat rebounds, he was scrambling, misplaying the puck all night and was literally beat for a goal at least 7-10 times. The Blues just didn't bury the puck. Watching that game I wasn't the least bit intimidated by him. He wasn't awful but I didn't think he was amazing by any stretch. I'd take that game from hm every night if I could.
I agree completely. I think the one area we -really- need to work on is getting to the post and staying there. Too often did rebounds pop out in dangerous areas with no Blues player hustling to really crash the net. Too much watching and waiting on rushes for one-timers and slick plays. The fellas need to get their big ass to the net and stay there. The rebounds will come!

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I wish we would of won in regulation. But I'm glad I got to the see the overtime win at Mike Shannons after the cards game.

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I agree completely. I think the one area we -really- need to work on is getting to the post and staying there. Too often did rebounds pop out in dangerous areas with no Blues player hustling to really crash the net. Too much watching and waiting on rushes for one-timers and slick plays. The fellas need to get their big ass to the net and stay there. The rebounds will come!
The Blues had net presence, but typically only in the passerby capacity. I don't think our guys understand that they are supposed to plant themselves there.

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The Blues had net presence, but typically only in the passerby capacity. I don't think our guys understand that they are supposed to plant themselves there.
Quote of the season by far, Outstanding Celtic!

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We've basically been doing it all season. When we have control of the puck behind the net, how often is there ever someone in front of the net to centre to? I think Schwartz was one of the few who actually attempted to screen Quick last night as well.

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I'm starting to think I watched a different game than some of you. I saw Blues players in the hard areas all night. In terms of getting to the hard areas that was the best game the Blues have played under Hitchcock. They were outhustling Kings to nearly every puck in front of Quick and just firing off of bodies in front or pipes or just wide. It was crazy.

Comments suggesting that the Blues need to be better at getting to the front of the net than they were in this specific game is maybe the strongest I've disagreed with anything on this board in several years. They need to get better at finishing.

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I'm starting to think I watched a different game than some of you. I saw Blues players in the hard areas all night. In terms of getting to the hard areas that was the best game the Blues have played under Hitchcock. They were outhustling Kings to nearly every puck in front of Quick and just firing off of bodies in front or pipes or just wide. It was crazy.

Comments suggesting that the Blues need to be better at getting to the front of the net than they were in this specific game is maybe the strongest I've disagreed with anything on this board in several years. They need to get better at finishing.
That was our most complete game of the year. But I totally agree with you about lack of finishing. It will be our downfall if we don't fix it.

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Game Plan: Pass the puck to Quick.

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I'm starting to think I watched a different game than some of you. I saw Blues players in the hard areas all night. In terms of getting to the hard areas that was the best game the Blues have played under Hitchcock. They were outhustling Kings to nearly every puck in front of Quick and just firing off of bodies in front or pipes or just wide. It was crazy.

Comments suggesting that the Blues need to be better at getting to the front of the net than they were in this specific game is maybe the strongest I've disagreed with anything on this board in several years. They need to get better at finishing.
I don't think the Blues did bad getting to the front of the net. Where the Blues end up and how long they are there is the area the Blues can improve on. The Blues did well in comparison to their past efforts these last few years, but the fact of the matter is they do not position themselves well near the crease. The best netfront teams don't have to skate to the rebound, they are already there for the release. We haven't figured that part of the game out. The Blues seem to think that getting to the crease is enough.

As for the finishing, I don't see anyone disagreeing. But that has been a problem for a long time.

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05-01-2013, 09:43 PM
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My eyes may have deceived me but I thought Jackman had a rough game. It seemed that everytime things got dicey in our end, Jackman was on the ice. Could be wrong though....just an impression.

It was such a great game that it's hard to nitpick but the one issue that scared me was that it seemed that we really went into a shell with about 5-7 minutes left in regulation. The Blues seemed to only want to lob the puck into the LA zone and peel off for a line change, completely abandoning the forecheck. I think that was a major tactical miscalculation (I place the blame on the coaches as they must be calling for it) as the Kings really started generating some speed exiting their own zone and through neutral ice. I think we really have to maintain the forecheck throughout the game, even with a lead. We need to contest the puck at both blue lines and through the neutral zone to prevent their skill players from gaining our zone with speed.

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My eyes may have deceived me but I thought Jackman had a rough game. It seemed that everytime things got dicey in our end, Jackman was on the ice. Could be wrong though....just an impression.

It was such a great game that it's hard to nitpick but the one issue that scared me was that it seemed that we really went into a shell with about 5-7 minutes left in regulation. The Blues seemed to only want to lob the puck into the LA zone and peel off for a line change, completely abandoning the forecheck. I think that was a major tactical miscalculation (I place the blame on the coaches as they must be calling for it) as the Kings really started generating some speed exiting their own zone and through neutral ice. I think we really have to maintain the forecheck throughout the game, even with a lead. We need to contest the puck at both blue lines and through the neutral zone to prevent their skill players from gaining our zone with speed.
I thought Jackman made a couple of bad decisions in the second period, but overall I thought he was solid. Puck moving has never been his specialty, and I thought he got in trouble a couple of times due to their forecheck, which is an area he's always struggled.

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I thought Jackman made a couple of bad decisions in the second period, but overall I thought he was solid. Puck moving has never been his specialty, and I thought he got in trouble a couple of times due to their forecheck, which is an area he's always struggled.
Do you think Russell is a safer or riskier play against the Kings?

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I'm starting to think I watched a different game than some of you. I saw Blues players in the hard areas all night. In terms of getting to the hard areas that was the best game the Blues have played under Hitchcock. They were outhustling Kings to nearly every puck in front of Quick and just firing off of bodies in front or pipes or just wide. It was crazy.

Comments suggesting that the Blues need to be better at getting to the front of the net than they were in this specific game is maybe the strongest I've disagreed with anything on this board in several years. They need to get better at finishing.
That's quite an understatement. Right now it takes them about shots on goal to get 1-2 goals, while it takes most other teams about 20-25. The Blues double up shots on the other team while their goalie has a shutout, and they only have a 1-goal lead. And then they tire out, and just go into a defensive shell for the last 5 to 9 minutes trying to preserve the 1-goal lead, - but often eventually giving up the tying (and often winning) goal.

They've GOT to get better at putting the puck into the net. They're getting a reasonable amount of decent chances- just not succeeding very well at taking advantage of them.

McDonald, Perron, Oshie, Tarasenko, Schwartz, Steen, and Stewart all have soft hands. Even Backes has some scoring touch. They have the potential. Apparently, several of them are just not all that skilled at shooting. Several of them seem to make poor choices, such as trying to go 5-hole when they should just lift the puck, or shooting the puck too soon, directly towards where the goalie is moving, rather than making a little move and putting the puck behind him.

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Do you think Russell is a safer or riskier play against the Kings?
I'd keep Jackman in there because he's had such a great year, and he plays that mean, physical game that the Blues obviously want to play against Kings, and he was still pretty good last night. If someone got injured, I would have absolutely no reservations about putting Russell in there because he was strong last year against the Kings, and the last two months of this season, he was quite steady. That said, I think if we're icing our very best line up, Russ is in the press box.


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Yep it wasn't Jackmans best game but no way Hitch sits him.
We need his physicality and he's one of our only guys who can get under their skin

Alone the shift he blocked 2 shots and even threw a hit right after the second block makes him "unsitable" for me

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Yep it wasn't Jackmans best game but no way Hitch sits him.
We need his physicality and he's one of our only guys who can get under their skin

Alone the shift he blocked 2 shots and even threw a hit right after the second block makes him "unsitable" for me
Yep, Blues need Jackman's intangibles back there especially against the Kings. Unless he turns into a complete liability, he needs to play.

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