HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Western Conference > Pacific Division > Edmonton Oilers
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Trade Rumours and Proposals Thread: What WILL Mac-T do with the pick?

View Poll Results: What will the Oilers do with the pick?
Stay at #7 127 46.01%
Move up 26 9.42%
Move down 22 7.97%
Trade it for immediate help 101 36.59%
Voters: 276. You may not vote on this poll

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
05-01-2013, 08:25 PM
  #451
Jimmi McJenkins
Sometimes Miracles
 
Jimmi McJenkins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Alberta
Country: Canada
Posts: 46,878
vCash: 250
Do you think Martin Marincin and a 2nd could get you Boychuk at the draft?

Jimmi McJenkins is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 09:07 PM
  #452
RaabHart
Where's the Hart?
 
RaabHart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 10,687
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Delicious Pancakes View Post
I didn't vote because I have no idea what the Oilers are gonna do with that pick. I really want them to use it though assuming one of Barkov, Monahan, or Lindholm are still on the board but I'm worried they're gonna trade it and that I'll be disappointed with the return.



I doubt the Isles make that trade.
Theres no way the Islanders don't make that trade. Thats like us offering Klefbom, our 1st and Hamilton for Tavares.

RaabHart is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 09:16 PM
  #453
Seedling
Tier 7 fan (ballcap)
 
Seedling's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,876
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmi Jenkins View Post
Do you think Martin Marincin and a 2nd could get you Boychuk at the draft?
I think so. In fact I think Marincin alone gets it done. Boston has cap issues. They want picks back and prospects not salary.

I would say two seconds gets it done TBH.

Seedling is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 09:19 PM
  #454
misfit
5-14-6-1
 
misfit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: just north of...ever
Posts: 16,169
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmi Jenkins View Post
Do you think Martin Marincin and a 2nd could get you Boychuk at the draft?
Value aside (it might be close, I don't really know), there's no legitimate reason I can think of for Boston to trade a top 4 defenseman for a pick and a prospect. I understand they're going to be up against the cap, but if they get rid of Boychuk, they're going to need a defenseman to replace him in the top 4. And that replacement would probably be a $2.5M-$3M guy as well. Not only that, but they're really not in any dire cap trouble anyway with Savard on LTIR until his ultimate retirement.

It makes all kinds of sense for the Oilers though.

__________________
If you are offended by this post, it's probably because you're ugly.
misfit is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 09:30 PM
  #455
McHockeyfan90
Registered User
 
McHockeyfan90's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 146
vCash: 500
What do you guys think of this:

Couturier + 11th overall +

For

Gagner + 7th overall +

McHockeyfan90 is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 09:32 PM
  #456
BarDownBobo
Registered User
 
BarDownBobo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: City of Champions
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,897
vCash: 512
Quote:
Originally Posted by raab View Post
Theres no way the Islanders don't make that trade. Thats like us offering Klefbom, our 1st and Hamilton for Tavares.
Rofl, take off the homer glasses.

Tavares>>>Eberle
Reinhart=Klefbom
Niño/Nelson>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hamilton
Isles 1st<Oil 1st

Nowhere near comparable.

BarDownBobo is online now  
Old
05-01-2013, 09:33 PM
  #457
AlowlyMcOilersfan
Comrade
 
AlowlyMcOilersfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,527
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by MeloveHockeyLongTime View Post
What do you guys think of this:

Couturier + 11th overall +

For

Gagner + 7th overall +
I would do it, but I'm not sure Philly would.

AlowlyMcOilersfan is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 09:34 PM
  #458
lCensored
Registered User
 
lCensored's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Saskatchewan
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,512
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlowlyOilersfan View Post
I would do it, but I'm not sure Philly would.
That would be a great deal...so there is no way it happens on Philly's end at all.

If something close did happen though I would be very, very happy.

lCensored is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 09:35 PM
  #459
misfit
5-14-6-1
 
misfit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: just north of...ever
Posts: 16,169
vCash: 50
In most years, a 2nd is enough to move up the 4 spots from 11 to 7, so basically you're proposing Gagner for Couturier. I don't see Philly agreeing to that.

misfit is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 09:36 PM
  #460
Jimmi McJenkins
Sometimes Miracles
 
Jimmi McJenkins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Alberta
Country: Canada
Posts: 46,878
vCash: 250
Quote:
Originally Posted by misfit View Post
Value aside (it might be close, I don't really know), there's no legitimate reason I can think of for Boston to trade a top 4 defenseman for a pick and a prospect. I understand they're going to be up against the cap, but if they get rid of Boychuk, they're going to need a defenseman to replace him in the top 4. And that replacement would probably be a $2.5M-$3M guy as well. Not only that, but they're really not in any dire cap trouble anyway with Savard on LTIR until his ultimate retirement.

It makes all kinds of sense for the Oilers though.
Not saying it's any kind of guarantee (and I agree with Boychuk's value), but They have Dougie Hamilton on the way/with the team, Chudinov could come over, and Marincin could be the right guy to be groomed by countryman Chara, and it helps the Bruins' Cap which will be tight. Also Bartkowski on a one-way deal next year as well.

I think the Oilers could certainly sweeten it a bit, but I could see the Bruins thinking about this.

Jimmi McJenkins is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 09:42 PM
  #461
Jepprey
Creeper
 
Jepprey's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Country: United States
Posts: 4,783
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MeloveHockeyLongTime View Post
What do you guys think of this:

Couturier + 11th overall +

For

Gagner + 7th overall +
Philly says no. I don't know why they would do that.

Jepprey is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 09:45 PM
  #462
lCensored
Registered User
 
lCensored's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Saskatchewan
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,512
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jepprey View Post
Philly says no. I don't know why they would do that.
I wonder what would need to be added to make that a good deal for both teams? Too much?

lCensored is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 09:47 PM
  #463
The Perfect Human*
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Edmonton
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,943
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seedling View Post
I think so. In fact I think Marincin alone gets it done. Boston has cap issues. They want picks back and prospects not salary.

I would say two seconds gets it done TBH.
You need to remember Savard is perpetually on the LTIR.

10.6M to re-sign Rask, a backup, a bottom-6D, a top-9 FWD, and a bottom-6 winger. Shouldn't be overly difficult:

Lucic-Krejci-(3M)
Seguin-Bergeron-Marchand
Soderberg-Kelly-Peverley
Paille-Campbell-Thornton
(0.7M)

Chara-Hamilton
Seidenberg-Boychuk
McQuaid-(1.5M)
(0.7M)

Rask (4M)
Backup (1M)

They're a bit over with a set-up like that. I see them moving Peverley and his 3.25M hit to make room for someone cheaper to help pay for all these pieces. Boychuk is too valuable as a top-4 dman at his cap hit to trade.

The Perfect Human* is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 09:51 PM
  #464
misfit
5-14-6-1
 
misfit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: just north of...ever
Posts: 16,169
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmi Jenkins View Post
Not saying it's any kind of guarantee (and I agree with Boychuk's value), but They have Dougie Hamilton on the way/with the team, Chudinov could come over, and Marincin could be the right guy to be groomed by countryman Chara, and it helps the Bruins' Cap which will be tight. Also Bartkowski on a one-way deal next year as well.

I think the Oilers could certainly sweeten it a bit, but I could see the Bruins thinking about this.
They only really look like they're in cap trouble because of Savard's $4M+ cap hit. A quick glance at Capgeek without Savard's deal included (they can't buy him out, but he's a guaranteed LTIR candidate), they have almost $11M to spend on 7 players with Rask as the only RFA of note to be re-signed.

If they give Rask $5M, then they'll have about $6M left to sign a 2nd/3rd line winger, two 6/7 defensemen, a backup goalie, and two 13/14 forwards. More than doable if you ask me.


EDIT - TPH beat me to it.

misfit is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 09:57 PM
  #465
The Perfect Human*
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Edmonton
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,943
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jepprey View Post
Philly says no. I don't know why they would do that.
Agreed. Although when that team is at its best they have Couturier playing 3C. If they're looking for Sam Gagner it's going to be Brayden Schenn going the other way. Right now they roll with something like this:

Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
Simmonds-Schenn-Briere
Read-Couturier-______ (Gagne/Knuble UFA's)
Rinaldo-Talbot-_______

Timonen-Coburn
Meszaros-Schenn
Grossmann-_______

Bryzgalov
Mason

About 3M in cap space left to flesh out that lineup.
I see them moving Briere and his 6.5M hit to try and make room for a big-name defenseman and a couple forwards. I doubt they ever are able to move Bryzgalov, unless they do a miracle compliance buy-out.

The Perfect Human* is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 10:03 PM
  #466
Draiskull
Registered User
 
Draiskull's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 19,063
vCash: 642
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Perfect Human View Post
You need to remember Savard is perpetually on the LTIR.

10.6M to re-sign Rask, a backup, a bottom-6D, a top-9 FWD, and a bottom-6 winger. Shouldn't be overly difficult:

Lucic-Krejci-(3M)
Seguin-Bergeron-Marchand
Soderberg-Kelly-Peverley
Paille-Campbell-Thornton
(0.7M)

Chara-Hamilton
Seidenberg-Boychuk
McQuaid-(1.5M)
(0.7M)

Rask (4M)
Backup (1M)

They're a bit over with a set-up like that. I see them moving Peverley and his 3.25M hit to make room for someone cheaper to help pay for all these pieces. Boychuk is too valuable as a top-4 dman at his cap hit to trade.
Rask @ 4M?? hoghly doubt it since it'll only be a 500K raise.. Could be in Quick\Pekka range if BOS goes deep.

Draiskull is online now  
Old
05-01-2013, 10:04 PM
  #467
The Perfect Human*
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Edmonton
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,943
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Petro Points View Post
Rask @ 4M?? hoghly doubt it since it'll only be a 500K raise.. Could be in Quick\Pekka range if BOS goes deep.
Yeah I was being a miser there. Boston's in trouble if he's able to use contracts given out during higher-cap days to make some big money.

I could see him using Howard's cap hit as a comp - one signed after the cap outlook for the next 3-4 years has been determined. That's about 5M a year.

The Perfect Human* is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 10:10 PM
  #468
Draiskull
Registered User
 
Draiskull's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 19,063
vCash: 642
Quote:
Originally Posted by MeloveHockeyLongTime View Post
What do you guys think of this:

Couturier + 11th overall +

For

Gagner + 7th overall +
Philly needs D..
My PHI proposal:

Petry + N.Schultz +1st
for
Schenn + Schenn +1st

We take a hit on D but add the right guys..

Trade Gagner + PHI 1st for Myers..

Smid, Schenn, Myers, Schultz, Fistric, Klefbom should be solid enough

Draiskull is online now  
Old
05-01-2013, 10:14 PM
  #469
Jimmi McJenkins
Sometimes Miracles
 
Jimmi McJenkins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Alberta
Country: Canada
Posts: 46,878
vCash: 250
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Perfect Human View Post
Yeah I was being a miser there. Boston's in trouble if he's able to use contracts given out during higher-cap days to make some big money.

I could see him using Howard's cap hit as a comp - one signed after the cap outlook for the next 3-4 years has been determined. That's about 5M a year.
Yeah, he'll probably get more, they will look at Howard and at Cam Ward and Jonathan Quick.

Jimmi McJenkins is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 10:14 PM
  #470
Draiskull
Registered User
 
Draiskull's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 19,063
vCash: 642
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Perfect Human View Post
Yeah I was being a miser there. Boston's in trouble if he's able to use contracts given out during higher-cap days to make some big money.

I could see him using Howard's cap hit as a comp - one signed after the cap outlook for the next 3-4 years has been determined. That's about 5M a year.
Rask top 5 in GAA and top 3 in Sav% only 26yo.. He'll command Rinne money but will settle for 5.5 if BOS is lucky. Howard is a little older and not considered a top 10 NHL goalie.

Draiskull is online now  
Old
05-01-2013, 10:15 PM
  #471
Jimmi McJenkins
Sometimes Miracles
 
Jimmi McJenkins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Alberta
Country: Canada
Posts: 46,878
vCash: 250
Quote:
Originally Posted by Petro Points View Post
Philly needs D..
My PHI proposal:

Petry + N.Schultz +1st
for
Schenn + Schenn +1st

We take a hit on D but add the right guys..

Trade Gagner + PHI 1st for Myers..

Smid, Schenn, Myers, Schultz, Fistric, Klefbom should be solid enough
Luke Schenn is not very good, that's an interesting defense, expensive, and interesting.

Jimmi McJenkins is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 10:20 PM
  #472
Draiskull
Registered User
 
Draiskull's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 19,063
vCash: 642
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmi Jenkins View Post
Luke Schenn is not very good, that's an interesting defense, expensive, and interesting.
He is better than anyone we have including Smid.. certainly has the right stats for the division we'll be in next season..

Draiskull is online now  
Old
05-01-2013, 10:28 PM
  #473
The Perfect Human*
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Edmonton
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,943
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Petro Points View Post
Rask top 5 in GAA and top 3 in Sav% only 26yo.. He'll command Rinne money but will settle for 5.5 if BOS is lucky. Howard is a little older and not considered a top 10 NHL goalie.
Howard's top10 in all those facets you listed, and is only 3yrs older than Rask. Also factor in that he's playing behind a much much inferior team and defense. He's been the DRW MVP this season, and played in 6 more games this season than Rask.

Rask is at a bit of a disadvantage as an RFA, while Howard was a UFA when he signed his. I could see similar cap hits for each tbh.

The Perfect Human* is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 10:31 PM
  #474
The Perfect Human*
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Edmonton
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,943
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Petro Points View Post
He is better than anyone we have including Smid.. certainly has the right stats for the division we'll be in next season..
Petry was the best player in that deal. Getting rid of Nick Schultz is just a bonus (same cap hit as Luke Schenn). Luke Schenn as a Gagner replacement is intriguing, and I like it.

Philly happily declines on that trade.

The Perfect Human* is offline  
Old
05-01-2013, 10:32 PM
  #475
RaabHart
Where's the Hart?
 
RaabHart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 10,687
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by BarDownBobo View Post
Rofl, take off the homer glasses.

Tavares>>>Eberle
Reinhart=Klefbom
Niño/Nelson>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hamilton
Isles 1st<Oil 1st

Nowhere near comparable.

It was a comparison. Eberle is a 74 point all star you dont give him away for that package is what I was pointing out. Nino is a bust IMO so saying he's worth more then Hamilton is crap since their both worth nothing. Don't know enough about Nelson to comment on him. And there's a big difference between the Oilers 1st and the NYI 1st.

Your basically giving up Eberle for Reinhart and a prospect like Gauthier, etc...

RaabHart is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:24 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2017 All Rights Reserved.