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04-28-2013, 06:33 PM
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Agree that the ump didn't look very good today, but Hamels wasn't locating his fastball consistently either. It's probably some minor mechanical issue but hopefully he works it out soon. His last two starts had been excellent- especially the one against St. Louis where Mayberry fell in the OF and the 1B ump blew the call on that foul liner. So I'm not that worried.

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04-30-2013, 07:38 PM
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Holy ****, the Phils are getting crushed. Doc got rocked.

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04-30-2013, 07:57 PM
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This team is SO bad. The whole thing needs to be blown up, and I mean the WHOLE thing.

Keep hamels, and rebuild the entire roster.

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7 homeruns allowed? LOL

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This whole entire night can kiss my ass. What a nightmare.

Just win tomorrow so you can go home and face the marlins. I'm just gonna pretend this game never happened.

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That's why I love Utley

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05-01-2013, 07:23 PM
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Wow, great play by Nix. If only the phillies could get some f***in hits. They already had some walks handed to them

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We cannot hit with runners on to save ourself.

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05-01-2013, 07:45 PM
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Next to positive chase got him

Edit: f this team. I say that almost every time I watch this team yet I continue to tune in

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05-01-2013, 07:50 PM
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This is so insane. Utley and Kendrick are the only guys overachieving. The team can only win against the Mets and Marlins. How long are they going to let this continue before they make a change? When we are completely out of it?

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05-01-2013, 09:59 PM
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This team is just...so ********** bad.

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Blow it up. I'll be surprised if Charlie makes it to the All-Star break.

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05-01-2013, 10:06 PM
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Blow it up. I'll be surprised if Charlie makes it to the All-Star break.
he really shouldn't. there is no reason this team should be under performing so badly. things need to be shaken up a bit. i don't think i should blow up the team but something needs to be done and soon

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05-01-2013, 11:02 PM
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I don't want to see them blow it up until at least they fire Charlie. If they still can't put together, then I guess they have no choice, but they seriously have no fire out there. Charlie has completely lost that team.

Andy Reid all over again. Stop wasting time on this same old ********.

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05-01-2013, 11:38 PM
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I don't want to see them blow it up until at least they fire Charlie. If they still can't put together, then I guess they have no choice, but they seriously have no fire out there. Charlie has completely lost that team.

Andy Reid all over again. Stop wasting time on this same old ********.
IMO, Not really. Although it seems like the Phillies are slowly falling away toward a losing team like the Eagles did their past few years I wouldn't compare the head honchos of each club in that manner. Manuel accomplished more in what he was asked to do in a much shorter time span than Reid did. Plus, Reid had a much larger role in the downfall of the Eagles over the past few years with his gameplans, roster decisions, coaching decisions (Castillo... still WTF?), etc.

Manuel's decisions are a lot less. In game he's got control over the lineup, and when to take out players/pitchers and that's about it. Sure, he isn't exactly great at the strategic moves, but the product on the field is much more reflective of player output in baseball than it is football.

Now, I'm not saying Charlie should stay. A shake-up could very well be in order in the near future, and Charlie very well could be candidate #1. But comparing him to Reid is off-base IMO. Reid's downfall was largely his own making as I previously described in his role. Charlie's teams under-performing is more of a mixture of Charlie, Ruben, and the players on the field all not doing as well as we'd like them to.

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IMO, Not really. Although it seems like the Phillies are slowly falling away toward a losing team like the Eagles did their past few years I wouldn't compare the head honchos of each club in that manner. Manuel accomplished more in what he was asked to do in a much shorter time span than Reid did. Plus, Reid had a much larger role in the downfall of the Eagles over the past few years with his gameplans, roster decisions, coaching decisions (Castillo... still WTF?), etc.

Manuel's decisions are a lot less. In game he's got control over the lineup, and when to take out players/pitchers and that's about it. Sure, he isn't exactly great at the strategic moves, but the product on the field is much more reflective of player output in baseball than it is football.

Now, I'm not saying Charlie should stay. A shake-up could very well be in order in the near future, and Charlie very well could be candidate #1. But comparing him to Reid is off-base IMO. Reid's downfall was largely his own making as I previously described in his role. Charlie's teams under-performing is more of a mixture of Charlie, Ruben, and the players on the field all not doing as well as we'd like them to.
I'm less comparing him to Reid and his decisions and comparing it more to the situation. The management of the Eagles held onto Reid for far too long because of his past success and their relationship to him. Phillies management are doing the same thing. After last year's terrible season, they should've gone in a different direction, but they didn't, wanting Charlie to finish out his contract and go out on his own terms. The Eagles kept Reid the entire 2012 season when it was obvious that he wasn't going to lead the Eagles anywhere. I'm just afraid the Phillies will do the same and waste another year. Whereas the Eagles didn't really have too many veterans who were nearing the end of their careers and needed to win now, the Phillies are stocked full of them.

I refuse to believe a rotation of Halladay, Hamels, and Lee as well as a lineup that has Utley, Howard, and Rollins can't make some noise. Yes they're old, but they are better than this, they have no direction. Charlie has no idea what to do with them. He just keeps saying the same things and doing the same things. 'We gotta hit, we gotta score some runs.' That's great, Charlie, now how are you going to accomplish that. Things like hit and run, squeeze bunt, etc., aren't even in his vocabulary. He keeps expecting the 2009 lineup to show up and it's not happening. I'm tired of Charlie Manuel. He was outmanaged in 2010 by the Giants and 2011 by the Cardinals. Then last year, of course. I'm not blaming him for all of this but he didn't help. I gave him a reprieve last year, but I don't want to waste this year, too, cause management is too scared to fire their folk hero.

He needs to go before this deficit gets too big.

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05-02-2013, 10:17 AM
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05-02-2013, 10:43 AM
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Going to the game tonight, so I had to bet on them lol. They better hit the Marlins around, which isn't uncommon for teams to do this season.

Also let's see a lot of runs in Detroit, Washington and Anaheim games tonight!

Oh and Beef they still stink. Got swept by the Indians in a two game series after coming off a sweep of the Mets. Way to go from a high to a deep low Phillies.

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The organization is going to a have really tough decision to make come the trade deadline. Even if they are perceived to be "in it", they have to ask themselves if they really think this team can win. Lee, Halladay, Utley, Young, Ruiz, Pappelbon, etc...these players will all be coveted by buyers...it might be the teams best opportunity to reload.

Hopefully they would be able to get a few solid prospects out of those deals, maybe even an MLB ready one. They have some nice players in the farm they can let play, then see where they are come november with money to spend in free agency.

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So are some of you really writing this year off after April?

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I feel like they are going to do well against the Marlins and then fall down again. There's no urgency to do anything cause their record is not bottom of the barrel bad (Like Toronto right now, Good Lord). They pull off an actual winning streak and they'd be right back in the race. Partly because they have had a very easy schedule in April.

It seems like though, they will only make real changes when this team just tanks ten straight games. That's what drives me nuts cause even if they switch managers at that point they are still in an enormous hole. They need to make the change now. They are one month in, still plenty of games, they can make a big change and maybe then jumpstart everyone to actually start to compete.

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So are some of you really writing this year off after April?
No, but something definitely is amiss and should be fixed. And keeping the status quo won't help things...

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No, but something definitely is amiss and should be fixed. And keeping the status quo won't help things...
Agreed, but "blowing it up" kind of signifies to me that they have no shot this year and should just start the rebuild after 30 games.

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05-02-2013, 09:11 PM
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Thought this was relevant after another awesome outing by KK
http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-ph...e-ace-baseball

Some interesting stuff
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During the three-year period from 2008 through 2010, Kendrick’s ERA was 4.96, which ranked 113th of 127 pitchers in baseball who threw 300 or more innings during that span.

During the three years since, Kendrick’s ERA is 3.48, which is 25th-best of 86 pitchers in baseball and exactly the same as none other than Roy Halladay.

When Kendrick and Halladay have the same ERA since opening day 2011 you know it’s time to re-think a lot of things. About both of them.

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In his last 15 starts, he’s 9-4 with a 2.42 ERA. In 12 of those 15 starts, he’s allowed two or fewer runs and pitched at least six innings.

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Kendrick is now 56-43 in his career, and over the last 100 years, only four Phillies with more than 100 starts have a higher winning percentage than Kendrick’s .566 – Hall of Famers Grover Cleveland Alexander (.695) and Steve Carlton (.600), plus Hamels (.594) and Moyer (.583).
He's obviously been sheltered a bit but there is no denying he's been pretty good recently

Edit: after tonight you can make that 10-4 in his last 16 starts with 2 or fewer runs given up and at least six innings pitched in 13 of those 16 starts. His ERA over that span is 2.43.


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