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05-02-2013, 01:32 PM
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He's a decent skater in a straight line.

I think he really lacks in his first-step and lateral mobility though.
Yeah, come to think of it, i think you're right about that. I still think that his lateral movement is ok for a guy his size, it's his lack of instinct that gets him in trouble.
He skates like Hall compared to Plante.

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05-02-2013, 01:42 PM
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seems to me mobility. If he had that he could be a Jason Smith, REgher type guy, but, I don't see him developing it.

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05-02-2013, 01:47 PM
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A brain.
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It seems like he may be another example of a guy with just such great tools that he could dominate in Juniors, but didn't have the hockey sense/smarts to take those tools to the NHL.

I see him as a career tweener or a guy that goes to Europe.
I forever wonder why its so assumed that players that physically dominate at the junior level will grow up to do so as adults.

In my mind the worst possible way to pick is merely on physical acumen without assessing how the player actually plays, what skills he has, and his thinking and read of the game.

Teubert was horrible when we got him and is now. Nothing has really changed.

More like people recognizing it now.

I'm against the Moroz pick as well for similar reason. So many other picks/acquisitions the Oil have made like this through the years. You should draft skill first. If you want size the player must have skills. Without that theres no use trying to make them an NHL player.

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05-02-2013, 02:03 PM
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A brain.
Agreed.

The guy seems like a dumbdumb. A "bro".
Someone who got as far as he did in hockey due to good size and athleticism but never managed to learn the intricacies of the game that have to do with game-IQ.

Never realized how certain plays can be made, utilizing time/space, to create a better play rather than the standard panic play.

He's the same ilk as Peckham.

I hope I'm wrong.
Teubert, please prove me wrong.

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05-02-2013, 02:04 PM
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Teubert was horrible when we got him and is now. Nothing has really changed.
Good rule of thumb: if a smart GM like Lombardi is wiling to cut bait on a young player, he probably knows something a dumb GM like Tambo doesn't.

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05-02-2013, 02:09 PM
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In order to overcome his lack of hockey sense, he needs to add about 20 lbs of muscle and get faster.

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05-02-2013, 02:14 PM
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Wasn't a good sign when we traded for him and the Oilers thought at best he'd be a #5.

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05-02-2013, 02:20 PM
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Good rule of thumb: if a smart GM like Lombardi is wiling to cut bait on a young player, he probably knows something a dumb GM like Tambo doesn't.
So Schenn is no good?

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05-02-2013, 02:21 PM
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Yeah, come to think of it, i think you're right about that. I still think that his lateral movement is ok for a guy his size, it's his lack of instinct that gets him in trouble.
He skates like Hall compared to Plante.
Haha, well, yeah. Plante is, hands down, no exaggeration, the worst skater that i have ever seen play professional hockey. Ever.

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05-02-2013, 02:34 PM
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He was always Theo Peckham V2, are you guys really surprised? I was pissed at the time of the trade, and although getting Klefbom made the deal worth it, we could've gotten more value out of this. I can't believe we traded Penner, a player who filled a need, for this guy and a 1st instead of Hemsky for Voynov or Simmonds and a 1st. But no, gotta keep Ales the franchise (losing mentality) leader because he's totally worth Brayden Schenn.:

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05-02-2013, 02:37 PM
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So Schenn is no good?
LA was making a play for a genuine start in Richards. Solid quantity for quality deal. But most Oilers fans thought Penner was garbage and the deal was a steal even before the pick became Klefa. And that was with the knowledge that Teubert had a limited upside. Sometimes you gotta give to get. Other times, you just get hosed. This was one of the latter occasions.

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05-02-2013, 02:43 PM
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LA was making a play for a genuine start in Richards. Solid quantity for quality deal. But most Oilers fans thought Penner was garbage and the deal was a steal even before the pick became Klefa. And that was with the knowledge that Teubert had a limited upside. Sometimes you gotta give to get. Other times, you just get hosed. This was one of the latter occasions.
I don't see how anyone got hosed in the Penner deal.

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05-02-2013, 02:45 PM
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Some players turn out to be ok and most don't. There's a ton of guys like him out there. Lots of potential but most just don't turn out to be anywhere near what people hoped for.

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05-02-2013, 02:54 PM
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I don't see how anyone got hosed in the Penner deal.
Eh. Hosed may be a bit too strong, but the Oilers gave up the exact kind of player they are now looking for to fill a spot in their top nine. The one warm body they got in return is no more than just that.

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05-02-2013, 03:01 PM
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Haha, well, yeah. Plante is, hands down, no exaggeration, the worst skater that i have ever seen play professional hockey. Ever.
You Obviously never saw Colin Campbell play D for the Oilers.

Guy couldn't even skate backwards, no word of a lie, a guy would come at him with speed and he'd try to turn around and catch the wake...

Used to get burned outside half a dozen times a game.

Used to just wave at guys. looked like a fat little pylon as well. Probably the worst pro hockey player I've seen here.

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05-02-2013, 03:10 PM
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I was pretty disappointed by Teubert this year, I thought this would be the year he really turned into a top AHL guy. He hasn't developed much in OKC and he's been here for a while.

Skating isn't his problem. He is actually a pretty solid skater considering his size and position. He's a good shot blocker, hard hitter, decent in the corners, and he has a pretty solid defensive stick. His problems are:

1) He makes bad decisions both with and without the puck. I think he set the AHL single season record for running some guy at his own blue line, then getting caught up-ice and giving up an odd-man the other way.

2) He has hands of reinforced concrete. He is really uncomfortable with the puck and he has a heck of a time catching hard passes. He's also a really bad passer himself.

I think he's probably pretty close to his ceiling right now, which I don't think is anything more than a 3/4 AHL guy. Would much rather have a solid vet (BRETT CLARK FOR EXAMPLE) in his roster spot next year.

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05-02-2013, 03:12 PM
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Eh. Hosed may be a bit too strong, but the Oilers gave up the exact kind of player they are now looking for to fill a spot in their top nine. The one warm body they got in return is no more than just that.
Penner isn't the exact kind of player we are looking for. He'd be plan G.

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05-02-2013, 03:15 PM
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I was pretty disappointed by Teubert this year, I thought this would be the year he really turned into a top AHL guy. He hasn't developed much in OKC and he's been here for a while.

Skating isn't his problem. He is actually a pretty solid skater considering his size and position. He's a good shot blocker, hard hitter, decent in the corners, and he has a pretty solid defensive stick. His problems are:

1) He makes bad decisions both with and without the puck. I think he set the AHL single season record for running some guy at his own blue line, then getting caught up-ice and giving up an odd-man the other way.

2) He has hands of reinforced concrete. He is really uncomfortable with the puck and he has a heck of a time catching hard passes. He's also a really bad passer himself.

I think he's probably pretty close to his ceiling right now, which I don't think is anything more than a 3/4 AHL guy. Would much rather have a solid vet (BRETT CLARK FOR EXAMPLE) in his roster spot next year.
Jason Smith was pretty much this, except he had positioning. Although he really wasn't that good until he was in his late 20's.

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I was pretty disappointed by Teubert this year, I thought this would be the year he really turned into a top AHL guy.
I only watched a half dozen Barons games this season (more the previous). I always thought Teubert >> Plante but I guess he did not progress this season.

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I remember at the time of the trade that Kings fans were telling us that he was basically nearly a bust, since he had not progressed at all since being drafted.

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I thought him and Ebs were supposedly best buds. Then on Oil Change they didnt even hang out?!?!
Strange I thought.
Maybe it was just that 1 eps.

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I only watched a half dozen Barons games this season (more the previous). I always thought Teubert >> Plante but I guess he did not progress this season.
The first half of last year Plante was really outstanding. Team's best defenseman, all star, etc. I thought he looked like a 5/6 guy in the NHL and was really glad he was in OKC. After his concussion last year though he's been going pretty steadily downhill, to the point this year where he was straight-up bad. Teubert has just been pretty much the same the whole time he's been here.

So, if you'd asked me halfway through last year I'd have said Plante was better and had more potential, but not now. That said, I don't think either has a steady NHL future.

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Jason Smith was pretty much this, except he had positioning. Although he really wasn't that good until he was in his late 20's.
Smith took a while to establish himself in the league too, but he was a better player even at the young age. IMHO, at this point it is not realistic to expect Teubert to be anything more than a 6D in the NHL one day.

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05-02-2013, 04:18 PM
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Smith took a while to establish himself in the league too. But, IMHO, at this point it is not realistic to expect Teubert to be anything more than a 6D in the NHL one day.
Probably, but at the same time where was Smith at 23 years old?

This is why I'm opposed to project type players that take a long time to develop.

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