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05-02-2013, 08:54 PM
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I can't wait to hear JR's analysis of the hit. Too bad Millbury isn't there too. I love when they fight.

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05-02-2013, 08:55 PM
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Galchenyuk was right there as Gryba hit Eller

That wouldn't be called instigation
Foster on White was a fairly similar situation. Gryba backed up and Galchenyuk kept chasing him. It's absolutely been called instigation before.

I don't like the rule much, but it is pointless if you don't enforce it at least somewhat consistently.

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05-02-2013, 08:56 PM
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Foster on White was a fairly similar situation. Gryba backed up and Galchenyuk kept chasing him. It's absolutely been called instigation before.

I don't like the rule much, but it is pointless if you don't enforce it at least somewhat consistently.
They mostly call it when a player goes a big distance to attack the other player. Foster was a bit further than Galchenyuk was

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05-02-2013, 08:57 PM
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The angle from the far net looks like he hits eller's arm/chest and then the head

making it not an illegal hit

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05-02-2013, 08:59 PM
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I can't wait to hear JR's analysis of the hit. Too bad Millbury isn't there too. I love when they fight.
let me know what he says

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05-02-2013, 09:01 PM
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let me know what he says
Keenan was on CNBC for their intermission report and he said he thought there wasn't contact with the head. But he's boring compared to JR

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05-02-2013, 09:04 PM
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Talk about penalizing the result instead of the action. It also doesn't help that 20,000 people reacted as if he was taken out by a sniper.

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The angle from the far net looks like he hits eller's arm/chest and then the head

making it not an illegal hit
The angle from the near net makes it look like the opposite.

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Picture from mullets twitter.
So it looks like the shoulder hits chin then chest? Eller's head is already turned back toward the camera, implying that the contact to the head had already taken place. At the moment of the still, of course, the hit looks clean--except for Eller's wildly contorted head.



EDIT: Also, Krishna, doesn't look like Galchenyuk was "right there" at the hit.

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05-02-2013, 09:05 PM
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The floodgates are open in Washington! Can't stand the rangers, they run interference all damn game.

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I thought the same about the blood coming from Eller's face hitting the ice. It's a tough call because Gryba hit Eller in a very vulnerable position, according to the new rules. I'm an old-school "keep your head up" type, too, but for the sake of not allowing the game and possibly the series to degenerate from the hit, the refs pretty much had to give Gryba the gate. If it were a reasonable crowd, having the main ref explain why a major wouldn't be called -- unprecedented as that is -- might have been enough, but Montrealers are passionate in an ultra-red-coloured glasses way.

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That was a truly awful goal allowed by Lundqvist. He's usually their chief saving grace in the playoffs.

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05-02-2013, 09:09 PM
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Now we know why Habs fans are always trying to offer us Diaz in trade proposals

the guy's a teammate killer

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I thought the same about the blood coming from Eller's face hitting the ice. It's a tough call because Gryba hit Eller in a very vulnerable position, according to the new rules. I'm an old-school "keep your head up" type, too, but for the sake of not allowing the game and possibly the series to degenerate from the hit, the refs pretty much had to give Gryba the gate. If it were a reasonable crowd, having the main ref explain why a major wouldn't be called -- unprecedented as that is -- might have been enough, but Montrealers are passionate in an ultra-red-coloured glasses way.
Diaz deserves a ton of blame too. He can not put Eller in a position like that. This was the Dimitrakos/Umberger/Campbell hit all over again, just with more blood.

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The angle from the near net makes it look like the opposite.



So it looks like the shoulder hits chin then chest? Eller's head is already turned back toward the camera, implying that the contact to the head had already taken place. At the moment of the still, of course, the hit looks clean--except for Eller's wildly contorted head.



EDIT: Also, Krishna, doesn't look like Galchenyuk was "right there" at the hit.
That picture is already after the contact. It's irrelevant in determining the principle point of contact

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Oleksy with puck in the face

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Wow, just saw the Eller hit. Combination of questionable hit, head down, and suicide pass. Perfect storm.

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That was pretty tough.

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05-02-2013, 09:12 PM
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Oleksy with puck in the face

gets right up
Pierre: "Eddie... shields? Grandfathered maybe?"

How would a shield have helped him there?

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05-02-2013, 09:12 PM
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That picture is already after the contact. It's irrelevant in determining the principle point of contact
Well...you said the principle point of contact was the chest--which is where the hit stands in that image. However, it certainly seems like he had already made contact to the head (the reason it is violently snapped to the side).

I guess we aren't going to agree on this--but you might want to dial back the certainty just a bit.

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05-02-2013, 09:13 PM
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That was pretty tough.
Bobby Clarke "I'm not even going to wipe the blood" tough?

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Pierre: "Eddie... shields? Grandfathered maybe?"

How would a shield have helped him there?
Pierre is an idiot

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Well...you said the principle point of contact was the chest--which is where the hit stands in that image. However, it certainly seems like he had already made contact to the head (the reason it is violently snapped to the side).

I guess we aren't going to agree on this--but you might want to dial back the certainty just a bit.
He hits him in the arm/chest then rides up into his head as the hit goes on. The hit is after Gryba rides up, so that's why it's irrelevant imo

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05-02-2013, 09:17 PM
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He hits him in the arm/chest then rides up into his head as the hit goes on. The hit is after Gryba rides up, so that's why it's irrelevant imo
I guess I just haven't seen a clean enough angle to tell whether it is that, or whether he glanced the chin before making solid shoulder-to-chest contact.

In either case, it is far from a dirty hit, and I don't think it should be a suspension.

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05-02-2013, 09:18 PM
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Price's turn for a crap goal. Good. Down with Montreal.

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Tell me again how Price isn't wildly overrated. That was brutal.

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