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05-02-2013, 11:03 PM
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you guys are way to ****ing dramatic . Thats how i know most of the posters here are like 17 years old.

Rangers weathered the storm the first period on the road and actually got a garbage goal, i felt the rangers after the first played better than the caps 5 on 5. The refs were horrible and i felt killed the momentum in the game .... i don't care that they scored on the PP we all knew they have a good PP but that stralman hook before the third goal has to be called.

Lundqvist let in a soft goal but its hockey .... that stuff happens.

I thought Zucc looked real good

I was surprised how well eminger played as well. I can see it being a tuff choice of who sits when staal comes back.

But its only 1 game and i am not scared of washington ... they are def. beatable without a doubt , will the rangers beat them idk

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05-02-2013, 11:04 PM
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keep in mind there are a few players that haven't played in a playoff game (brassards, moore) and some that have had only limited time experience in the playoffs (Nash, Zucc)...so now they have the first game over with they can prepare for game 2, knowing what to expect

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Great goal by Moore. Is he the only player who can snipe?

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05-02-2013, 11:05 PM
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keep in mind there are a few players that haven't played in a playoff game (brassards, moore) and some that have had only limited time experience in the playoffs (Nash, Zucc)...so now they have the first game over with they can prepare for game 2, knowing what to expect
Strangely, Emrick claimed that Oleksy was the only player on either team making his playoff debut. Newbury was also.

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Erskine's entire defensive game revolves around crosschecking.

Someone needs to put him on his ass.
Do what some teams used to do back in the '90s: crosscheck them in the back of the neck.

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Thanks to the captain obvious' telling us that the game was lost following the failure to convert on our 5-3 and then the 2 quick goals... seeing as we went down after the first goal since the 5-3 and then couldn't score the rest of the game.

It's a momentum swing. That's it. Sports are a game of momentum swings. What's frustrating is when you have an opportunity you NEED to capitalize. If you don't it almost always comes back to haunt you. The Rangers did not capitalize on ANY of their 2nd or 3rd period opportunities. Blame it on poor luck, poor body positioning, not scrambling hard enough to a loose puck... whatever, the point remains that they did not capitalize. The Caps did.

If Hagelin's shot goes in instead of hitting the crossbar. If Moore's puck doesn't get lost in Holtby's pants. If Nash/Callahan can just poke the puck in as its on the doorstep right before the 5-3. If Hagelin can score on his break away. If we just barraged Holtby with shots from everywhere like we had been doing when we were winning in this last 7 game stretch before the playoffs (instead of trying to look for the "right shot"). Any of those things could have nullified the "the game was lost in a span of 48 seconds" theme on this post game thread.

The Caps are not the better team. It was a mixture of playing on home ice, getting lucky breaks, and capitalizing on our mistakes (while we couldn't capitalize on theirs).

I'm sick and tired of coming on these boards and watching idiots flame this team with no basis. We're a competent team. We have a chance. We need to finish. That's it. There was effort, there were scoring chances. There were mental collapses, but thats to be expected by any team. Shut up if you have nothing constructive to say. I think I speak for most people when I say you make coming on these boards to be unbearable, both during and after games (especially losses).

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Strangely, Emrick claimed that Oleksy was the only player on either team making his playoff debut. Newbury was also.
big surprise, nbc getting things wrong? haha Brassard was injured the yr the jackets made it to the playoffs and moore wasn't there yet i'm pretty sure

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Strangely, Emrick claimed that Oleksy was the only player on either team making his playoff debut. Newbury was also.
Moore, Brassard were making their debut. NBC is stupid.

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05-02-2013, 11:09 PM
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I thought Zucc looked real good
This is one thing I disagree with. I thought he was very weak on the puck and consistently missed the net.

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The Rangers lost the goaltending matchup.

Period.

If we lose that, we lose the game. Not only do we have to win that matchup to win, we need to win that matchup considerable.


Holtby out played Lundqvist. That's why we lost.

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big surprise, nbc getting things wrong? haha Brassard was injured the yr the jackets made it to the playoffs and moore wasn't there yet i'm pretty sure
Yeah, both of them were for sure. Caught that mistake when it happened. Figured that Doc misspoke and meant to say it just for the Caps.

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This is one thing I disagree with. I thought he was very weak on the puck and consistently missed the net.
Yeah he was very sub par

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Thanks to the captain obvious' telling us that the game was lost following the failure to convert on our 5-3 and then the 2 quick goals... seeing as we went down after the first goal since the 5-3 and then couldn't score the rest of the game.

It's a momentum swing. That's it. Sports are a game of momentum swings. What's frustrating is when you have an opportunity you NEED to capitalize. If you don't it almost always comes back to haunt you. The Rangers did not capitalize on ANY of their 2nd or 3rd period opportunities. Blame it on poor luck, poor body positioning, not scrambling hard enough to a loose puck... whatever, the point remains that they did not capitalize. The Caps did.

If Hagelin's shot goes in instead of hitting the crossbar. If Moore's puck doesn't get lost in Holtby's pants. If Nash/Callahan can just poke the puck in as its on the doorstep right before the 5-3. If Hagelin can score on his break away. If we just barraged Holtby with shots from everywhere like we had been doing when we were winning in this last 7 game stretch before the playoffs (instead of trying to look for the "right shot"). Any of those things could have nullified the "the game was lost in a span of 48 seconds" theme on this post game thread.

The Caps are not the better team. It was a mixture of playing on home ice, getting lucky breaks, and capitalizing on our mistakes (while we couldn't capitalize on theirs).

I'm sick and tired of coming on these boards and watching idiots flame this team with no basis. We're a competent team. We have a chance. We need to finish. That's it. There was effort, there were scoring chances. There were mental collapses, but thats to be expected by any team. Shut up if you have nothing constructive to say. I think I speak for most people when I say you make coming on these boards to be unbearable, both during and after games (especially losses).


Seriously. I often feel like people want their predictions or opinions validated more than they want the team to do well.

They had a lot of chances tonight. Hank let in a softie at a bad time and the PP failed to seize their opportunities.

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05-02-2013, 11:12 PM
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you guys are way to ****ing dramatic . Thats how i know most of the posters here are like 17 years old.

Rangers weathered the storm the first period on the road and actually got a garbage goal, i felt the rangers after the first played better than the caps 5 on 5. The refs were horrible and i felt killed the momentum in the game .... i don't care that they scored on the PP we all knew they have a good PP but that stralman hook before the third goal has to be called.

Lundqvist let in a soft goal but its hockey .... that stuff happens.

I thought Zucc looked real good

I was surprised how well eminger played as well. I can see it being a tuff choice of who sits when staal comes back.

But its only 1 game and i am not scared of washington ... they are def. beatable without a doubt , will the rangers beat them idk

LGR

Two things.....

1) I almost never complain about the refs.......but there were soft call all the way around. what pisses me off is what I hilighted above. Way to kill the momentum in the playoffs........ITS THE GOD DAMN PLAYOFFS !! Soft call Bullshiit is for the regular season, not the playoffs. It was borderline disgraceful and the leauge should be ashamed. This game should have had about 4 real penalties in it. Could have gone a whole different way if the teams were allowed to play the game without the refs hands in it.

2) The Rangers need to show up with size in this round..........if not, washington will take its toll on them and probably cause the rangers to bow out in less than 7 games. 5 on 5, the rangers are the deeper team, but they need some size. This is where Clowe waa supposed to come in. Pyatt and Boyle ( when boyle comes back ) isnt going to bring the size needed. All 3, playing "big" would be a huge help though. Staal can play with a little snarl........its sorely needed too.

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The Rangers lost the goaltending matchup.

Period.

If we lose that, we lose the game. Not only do we have to win that matchup to win, we need to win that matchup considerable.


Holtby out played Lundqvist. That's why we lost.
Apparently "Holtby" is Washingtonian for "our goalie got beat but thank god for the goal post".

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05-02-2013, 11:13 PM
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The Rangers did not play an awful game. THey were awful the first 10 minutes and then played teh caps even or better the rest of the game.

We lost because of the men between the pipes. More on Holtby than on Henrik...the Chimera goal was awful, but tough to blame him on the other 2...whereas Holtby made several terrific stops.

We lost in the net. that's it. I dont think we played a terrible game.

I do, however, think we missed Clowe, Boyle, and Staal A LOT.

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05-02-2013, 11:13 PM
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Why are goalies compared to each other? It's like having a 1-0 baseball game between the Tigers and Yankees and saying "Verlander outdueled Sabathia" They don't go up against each other. I thought both Holtby and Lundqvist played pretty well. The difference being Lundqvist gave up one very soft goal (while completely keeping us in the game in the first) and Holtby didn't.

I would say Holtby played well vs. the Rangers shooters and Lundqvist played well vs the Caps shooters. Put them on the other side (Lundqvist w/ Caps, Holtby w/ Rangers facing the same shooting attempts) and who knows what it would have looked like then.

Going forward you would expect that to change - that Holtby will be giving up more goals then Lundqvist since he is an inferior goalie so I don't see that as all that bad.

One other thing regarding the refs that I don't understand (and I am not referring to this game even): Why do we expect the refs to call the games differently in the playoffs than the regular season? The rulebook doesn't change. The same things that make up penalties then make up penalties now. In my opinion the refs should call everything that violates the rules. Otherwise what is the point of even having the rule if you're going to just "Let them play." or "Let things go"? It just causes inconsistency. Either everything should be called or things that don't get called should just be removed/modified from the rules so they are no longer penalties.

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Apparently "Holtby" is Washingtonian for "our goalie got beat but thank god for the goal post".
who cares about the post. He made the stops he had to. Henrik didn't.

I'm not saying we lost because of Henrik...I'm saying we lost because Henrik did not outplay Holtby. It's about BOTH goalies, not 1 or the other.

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this capitals team can be beat, of course you can't play right into their greatest strength and give the power play after power play....

You can't lose a game in frickin 2m!!! more than enough time to tie it up. surprised at how dysfunctional they were and passive...

weak goals by Lundqvist...

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Why are goalies compared to each other? It's like having a 1-0 baseball game between the Tigers and Yankees and saying "Verlander outdueled Sabathia" They don't go up against each other. I thought both Holtby and Lundqvist played pretty well. The difference being Lundqvist gave up one very soft goal (while completely keeping us in the game in the first) and Holtby didn't.

I would say Holtby played well vs. the Rangers shooters and Lundqvist played well vs the Caps shooters. Put them on the other side (Lundqvist w/ Caps, Holtby w/ Rangers facing the same shooting attempts) and who knows what it would have looked like then.

Going forward you would expect that to change - that Holtby will be giving up more goals then Lundqvist since he is an inferior goalie so I don't see that as all that bad.
why do goalies get compared to each other?

when the shot totals are close, and the scoring chances are close, and 1 goalie gives up more than the other....guess what, you gotta compare the 2.

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Why are goalies compared to each other? It's like having a 1-0 baseball game between the Tigers and Yankees and saying "Verlander outdueled Sabathia" They don't go up against each other. I thought both Holtby and Lundqvist played pretty well. The difference being Lundqvist gave up one very soft goal (while completely keeping us in the game in the first) and Holtby didn't.
Bold 1: Ummm... if both pitchers pitched 9 innings, that's exactly what you'd say...

Bold 2: Exactly. Holtby outplayed Lundqvist.

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I don't disagree. But I also don't think that realizing in hindsight when the game was lost is a sign of not being mentally tough. People are in freakout mode about the loss and overreacting about anything they can grab on to. That period of time was clearly when the game got away from them. Admitting that after the fact isn't a sign of anything - it's standard post-loss interview stuff.
Yeah, I'm not sure why we're making a big deal about this. Was it not obvious to every single person watching on these boards that's when we lost the game? They didn't say "We gave up after that because we knew it was over". In hindsight that's when they lost the game. Sad because it was only a 4-5 minute stretch and we played very well after that and through the third period.

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Going through the pictures from the game on NHL.com

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why do goalies get compared to each other?

when the shot totals are close, and the scoring chances are close, and 1 goalie gives up more than the other....guess what, you gotta compare the 2.
But they don't face the same shots so it is not a fair statement.

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Bold 1: Ummm... if both pitchers pitched 9 innings, that's exactly what you'd say...

Bold 2: Exactly. Holtby outplayed Lundqvist.
Yea but it doesn't make sense. They don't face the same teams. They don't face the same situations. The other pitcher is unrelated to how the first pitcher does. Whether you have Verlander against Sabathia or Verlander against...Hughes it makes no difference as to how he himself pitches.

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Great goal by Moore. Is he the only player who can snipe?
Girardi is pretty great at sniping the end boards.

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