In the case of Nikoli Zherdev, the Blue Jackets' 21-year-old forward who has asked for a trade after the team pulled a three-year, $6.9 million offer, Maloney explained why the Rangers wouldn't use an offer sheet to force the Blue Jackets' hand. "The player's agent loves it. Columbus has plenty of cap room," he said. "And realistically you (the Rangers) only have some much room. You can't pay Zherdev $6 million a year either. So it doesn't make sense, but it's something we're always looking at." Rumors abound that Columbus may have asked for G Al Montoya and a prospect or a pick for Zherdev, but Maloney wouldn't discuss individual players or potential deals.
Just because we have King Henrik doesn't mean we need to go trade Montoya for every decent/good player on the market.
Let Montoya stay in our system and if we ever make a serious run at the CUP again in the next 3 years, we could use Montoya for that last player we might need to help us win the cup.. (IE - Amonte for Noonan & Matteau)
Though I can't help but feel this kid, under Renney and on a team with players who have "been there", would really THRIVE in NY.
This is my gut as well.
A young, skilled and impressionable mind coming into a new, positive environment where he's going to be surrounded by many of his european peers is quite intriguing. New York would allow Zherdev to lose the pressure of having to be the go to guy (which he was for many parts of the season last year when Nash was out); and it also gives him the opportunity to learn at the proper pace.
If you're a young player in the league right now, the Rangers are the team to play for: success is rewarded, leadership is abundent, and experience at every position (nearly) is most certainly there.
i agree with everyone on being hesitant to trade montoya but dont u think that at some point a deal HAS to be done unless they like better than Lundqvuist? My point is that we have to get as much as possible from this situation.
All kidding aside I've always found it to be a very nice city with a wonderful new facility that is very retro feeling.
When you work within the industry you develop favorite places and least favorite places and Columbus was a stop I always liked.
Believe it or not that there "hockey" cities that I absolutely can't stand, but I don't feel like getting into debates with people from those cities so I won't name them.
Not to offend but Columbus (been to many clipper games) is so nice it doesn't belong in Ohio. Very small town feel in a bigger city than most people think...plus it's the home town to Alex P Keaton so you know it's all good..
The foremost concern, obviously, is guarding against prematurely shipping him out. You want to be sure that you're keeping the best goaltender.
You also want to be sure that you're not jumping the gun and shipping him out before he realizes his peak value (to be distinguished greatly from peak ability).
Another thing to consider, and many fans often omit or outright forget this little piece: timing. The value of any asset often depends on the time of year. You needn't look any further than San Jose dealing Kipper for a 2nd, or Buffalo dealing Noronen for the same. Both could have likely fetched more had they been exposed to the market at the right time (both seasonly and when their peak value was at it's highest, i.e., 6-18 months earlier in both cases).
The value of a goaltender with potential can always decrease if GMs feel that the goalie in question has lost development time (as Noronen did, and the case could be made for the Kipper deal as well).
I'd like to see him go, but I'm not sure he's reached his peak value yet. I'm also not sure whether the price is right just yet. Certainly if Monty can bring us Zherdev I'm all over it.
If it's going to take Montoya and a 1st rounder for Zherdev I'd do it, and I think this would certainly be fair value given what the market has been lately, but the problem remains: does Columbus want a goalie in return? I must admit, it looks like they could use a solid young dman more than a top goalie prospect right now.
One of the big mistakes I see when people try to size up possible trades is that they are tied to the original draft poisition of the player (i.e. Jessiman was a 1st so if we traded him and a 1st for Zhredev that would be two 1sts) What is important is how the player is developing and playing now. The draft position might represent some upside, but if past drafts were to be redone today Jessiman would not be a first, Dubinsky wouldn't have been a second and Dawes wouldn't have been a 5th. The players value is deteremined by what scouts think today and not their draft position. The Rangers appear to have some young players well ahead of their draft positions and others not doing quite as well. That's normal and probably to be expected in a sport where players are drafted so young. It also points to the possibility that some players with high draft positions might be traded before their value is completely gone.
This deal will not happen at all, at least for Montoya. Unless the deal has a third party (as said over at the Jackets folder) in which we'd ship off Montoya in a trade, we wouldn't do the deal. We have Leclaire as our start, and three goalies in the preseason pretty much fighting for the backup role. We have the most depth in goal we ever have and we do not need another goalie. Also I don't think Zherdev will be in a trade, Doug has already said he's not really interested in doing that unless the deal is so good he cannot pass it up. We have Zherdev for four more years, plus I think he'll cave soon anyway, the more time he's over in Russia the more it hurts him. After we signed Carter he lost all of his edge and now we just have to wait until he comes to his senses. Really this deal wouldn't be good for us. We need a top four defenseman right now, not a goalie.
To the guy that was bashing the Jackets, do a little research and watch some of our games this season and you'll be very surprised at what you see. We aren't a crappy team filled with third liners anymore.
From what some of your are saying, Zherdev might be a good fit for the Rangers. As was stated before though, we really don't need a goalie. I think the only way a deal could be worked out is if we had either a bonafide top 4 defensemen or a defensive prospect and picks coming back our way, that's really what we need right now