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05-02-2013, 03:38 PM
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Columbus would be interested and has the cap space, picks and prospects to get it done. Vanek would fit fairly well with the group they have now.

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Columbus would be interested and has the cap space, picks and prospects to get it done. Vanek would fit fairly well with the group they have now.
Jenner+1st(NYR)?

Or

Atkinson
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Jenner+1st(NYR)?

Or

Atkinson
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3rd
For this Jacket fan, I wouldn't think twice about pulling the trigger on the first one. While Jenner is likely to be a solid NHLer, he hasn't proven anything yet.

The second one is an absolute no. Atkinson and Prout are important pieces to the Jackets future.

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D B. Smith, F Sheahan, draft pick for F Vanek at $3 million cap
Done with the Wings getting DeKeyser that could make Brendan Smith more expendable.

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05-03-2013, 12:33 AM
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If you think Vanek nets less then Pominville did you will all be sorely mistaken. Regier doesn't "lose" trades, Vanek will be dealt for a kings ransom. Teams that want to become cup contenders would gladly trade 1sts + their top prospects because your not going to be able to sign any 35 goal scorers in free agency any time soon.

Young Roster player with top 6 F/top 4 d potential + top prospect + 1st is the minimum Regier will trade Vanek for. David Clarkson is the best goal scorer aside from Iginla available in free agency this year. Any team who wants to take the next step would gladly trade their youngsters and 1sts to acquire an elite goal scorer who is a top 5 LW.

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05-03-2013, 12:51 AM
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For this Jacket fan, I wouldn't think twice about pulling the trigger on the first one. While Jenner is likely to be a solid NHLer, he hasn't proven anything yet.

The second one is an absolute no. Atkinson and Prout are important pieces to the Jackets future.
You have to give to get....you aren't going to get Vanek for secondary prospects.

Buffalo would likely ask for Foligno + 1st ( NYR)+ prospect

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If you think Vanek nets less then Pominville did you will all be sorely mistaken. Regier doesn't "lose" trades, Vanek will be dealt for a kings ransom. Teams that want to become cup contenders would gladly trade 1sts + their top prospects because your not going to be able to sign any 35 goal scorers in free agency any time soon.

Young Roster player with top 6 F/top 4 d potential + top prospect + 1st is the minimum Regier will trade Vanek for. David Clarkson is the best goal scorer aside from Iginla available in free agency this year. Any team who wants to take the next step would gladly trade their youngsters and 1sts to acquire an elite goal scorer who is a top 5 LW.
There's a huge difference between a 5 mil forward at the deadline with 2 years left on his contract and a 7 mil forward in the offseason with one year left on his prospect. Sure Vanek is better, but I wouldn't at all be surprised to see him dealt for a comparable or even slightly lesser return than Pominville.

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There's a huge difference between a 5 mil forward at the deadline with 2 years left on his contract and a 7 mil forward in the offseason with one year left on his prospect. Sure Vanek is better, but I wouldn't at all be surprised to see him dealt for a comparable or even slightly lesser return than Pominville.
Buffalo can pick up salary/cap hit. Vanek was over a ppg this year. Pominville was at a 50 point pace this year. The extra 10 reg season games and 1 playoff series extra that Minnesota got out of Poms is negated by the fact that Vanek is younger, much better and more productive the last year. At the very least he is returning 2 top prospects and a 1st and 2nd like Pominville.

I wish the Sabres didn't have to trade Vanek, not easy to find 35 goal scorers. But Sabre fans can thank our clown GM, president and owner for totally ****ing up the team and having to "rebuild" and making our best player walk out the door.

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05-03-2013, 11:17 AM
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Craig Button says he sees something similar to the Burns deal, but thinks Vanek is the better player, so probably a little bit more, which was Setoguchi + Coyle + 1st round pick.

So good roster player, 1st, top prospect + a little something extra.

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05-03-2013, 12:16 PM
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Hopefully Darth Regier can do a Jedi mind trick and convince Vanek to resign.

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what about Couturier?
I don't think so, even though the value is there in terms of talent. Vanek simply makes too much money for what he brings to the table in a salary cap league. He is a good player but his cap hit is an albatross and that hurts his trade value (see Luongo, Roberto).

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Craig Button says he sees something similar to the Burns deal, but thinks Vanek is the better player, so probably a little bit more, which was Setoguchi + Coyle + 1st round pick.

So good roster player, 1st, top prospect + a little something extra.
If Vanek goes to Philly it would be for a package like: Read, Laughton and a 2nd.

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If you think Vanek nets less then Pominville did you will all be sorely mistaken. Regier doesn't "lose" trades, Vanek will be dealt for a kings ransom. Teams that want to become cup contenders would gladly trade 1sts + their top prospects because your not going to be able to sign any 35 goal scorers in free agency any time soon.
Even more true by the fact that Vanek and Miller are Regier's the only real marketable assets he has left if he intends to build around Myers, Hodgson and Ennis. He's dealt all of his other prime poker chips that other teams had interest in (Roy, Pominville, Regehr, Leopold). It remains to be seen if any teams will offer a decent return for underachievers like Stafford, Gerbe or Leino.

It's not only reasonable to expect but very likely that IF Regier trades either Vanek and/or Miller, he'll try to hit home runs with each.

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05-03-2013, 06:20 PM
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Buffalo can pick up salary/cap hit. Vanek was over a ppg this year. Pominville was at a 50 point pace this year. The extra 10 reg season games and 1 playoff series extra that Minnesota got out of Poms is negated by the fact that Vanek is younger, much better and more productive the last year. At the very least he is returning 2 top prospects and a 1st and 2nd like Pominville.

I wish the Sabres didn't have to trade Vanek, not easy to find 35 goal scorers. But Sabre fans can thank our clown GM, president and owner for totally ****ing up the team and having to "rebuild" and making our best player walk out the door.
The good news for the Sabres is this rebuild could be done very quickly.

With the cap decreasing and the Sabres able to take on salary they could be one of the teams that most benefits from the first time the cap has decreased as they can absorb part of the Miller, Vanek contracts.

Then also take on short term contracts like Ballard or others for very little only to resell as a deadline rental next season for a lot more.

If they do it right this rebuild could only be only 2 or 3 seasons.

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I don't think so, even though the value is there in terms of talent. Vanek simply makes too much money for what he brings to the table in a salary cap league. He is a good player but his cap hit is an albatross and that hurts his trade value (see Luongo, Roberto).
He isn't an albatross....his contract has 1 yr left and buffalo would retain $3M of it.

Luongo is something entirely different......he's paid at fair value at manual salary...but it lasts forever.

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He isn't an albatross....his contract has 1 yr left and buffalo would retain $3M of it.

Luongo is something entirely different......he's paid at fair value at manual salary...but it lasts forever.
Yeah Luongo is an abysmal comparison. His value sucks because his contract will still be active when my first grandchild is born (note: I don't even have kids), and whatever team takes that on is taking a big risk. With the contracts that have been given out so far under the new CBA, 7 mil for player like Vanek isn't even really out of whack.

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Craig Button says he sees something similar to the Burns deal, but thinks Vanek is the better player, so probably a little bit more, which was Setoguchi + Coyle + 1st round pick.

So good roster player, 1st, top prospect + a little something extra.

Maybe something like Foligno/prospect/1st from Columbus? I'd love to get the Foligno's together on the 3rd line with Girgensons in the middle, that'd be downright nasty

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Craig Button says he sees something similar to the Burns deal, but thinks Vanek is the better player, so probably a little bit more, which was Setoguchi + Coyle + 1st round pick.

So good roster player, 1st, top prospect + a little something extra.
That's how you know everything you're about to type is wrong.

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Craig Button says he sees something similar to the Burns deal, but thinks Vanek is the better player, so probably a little bit more, which was Setoguchi + Coyle + 1st round pick.

So good roster player, 1st, top prospect + a little something extra.
Burns was prepared to sign an extension with the Sharks. Vanek would have to be similarly prepared to do so to generate that kind of return, I'd think.

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Craig Button says he sees something similar to the Burns deal, but thinks Vanek is the better player, so probably a little bit more, which was Setoguchi + Coyle + 1st round pick.

So good roster player, 1st, top prospect + a little something extra.
Perhaps the Isles, especially with their impending move to Brooklyn. Vanek-Tavares-Moulson would score a metric ****-ton of goals.

Grabner + Brock Nelson + 2013 1st (15th overall)

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Burns was prepared to sign an extension with the Sharks. Vanek would have to be similarly prepared to do so to generate that kind of return, I'd think.
I think Vanek is going to re-sign with the team to whom he is traded. He just doesn't want to be part of a rebuild. Presumably, any team that acquires him will be trying to win now, and will be prepared to compensate him behind next season.

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If Vanek goes to Philly it would be for a package like: Read, Laughton and a 2nd.
You don't exchange a quarter for two nickels and a dime. I understand why the Flyers likely wouldn't make upgrading at LW their main priority though so I'm sure that offer reflects that. Other teams have a bigger need for a top line winger and will offer more as a result; I have no doubt.

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You don't exchange a quarter for two nickels and a dime. I understand why the Flyers likely wouldn't make upgrading at LW their main priority though so I'm sure that offer reflects that. Other teams have a bigger need for a top line winger and will offer more as a result; I have no doubt.
I dunno. Laughton is a very underrated prospect, and Matt Read is a 25 goal, 50 point-type winger who plays in all situations.

I think most Flyers fans would hate that deal. I know I would.

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I dunno. Laughton is a very underrated prospect, and Matt Read is a 25 goal, 50 point-type winger who plays in all situations.

I think most Flyers fans would hate that deal. I know I would.
Yeah maybe most would. I view Laughton as a potential 3rd line center who plays good defense, but doesn't have the offensive chops to play a top 6 role. We've already got a better version of Laughton in our system in Girgensons and possibly even Larsson. Read is a nice player and would be a welcome addition but he's on the small side and I don't see him having the type of offensive success with our team he has had with the Flyers (averaging around 50 points). Ultimately I'm not cool with moving Vanek in a deal with Read as the centerpiece. We'd be better served having a better prospect or pick as the centerpiece of a Vanek trade. It would allow us to rebuild properly, not just toil in mediocrity.

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I think MN would be content to let someone use him as a rental only to sign him when he becomes a UFA. No need to gut your prospect pool when everyone knows he is going to come home to finish his career.


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