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05-03-2013, 10:17 PM
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Whois Pat Boutette?

Stumbled across this guy while looking something else up, but his career stats struck me as kind of interesting:

* Breaks in with the Leafs as a 22 year-old in 1976.

* Has four remarkably consistently (statistically at least) seasons with the Leafs of 32, 36, 36, and 33 points. Puts up 140, 107, 120 and 136 PIMS to go along with those point totals.

* Had a brutal start to the '79 season with only 4 assists (and only 17 PIMs) in 32 games with the Leafs, then gets traded to the Whalers and goes close to a PPG while dramatically upping his penalties again.

* Following that, his stat lines the next two seasons (with Hartford) get really interesting:

80 games- 28 goals- 52 assists- 80 points- 160 penalty minutes- minus13
80 games- 23 goals- 51 assists- 74 points- 230 penalty minutes- minus23

* He then gets moved to Pittsburgh and puts up slightly worse numbers, with a 56 point and a 40 point season. But still puts up nutty PIMs with 152 and 142 respectively. Oh yeah. . .and he was also a combined -91 those two years! I know its the 80s Pens but still. . .

* By the following year, his numbers are in free fall and he splits the season between Pittsburgh, Hartford and the AHL. Then never plays again.

* And one last thing: He's listed at 5'8 and a 175 pounds.

I'm kind of amazed by the combination of brief offensive production, ridiculous penalty minutes, laughable +/-, complete lack of size, and weird career trajectory (five okay seasons, two great seasons, two okay seasons, then BAM! out of hockey. . . I'm assuming an injury was involved).

Does anyone remember this guy?

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05-03-2013, 11:48 PM
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Yepp. Played in Toronto with usually Tiger Williams & Jack Valiquette. Boutette was a little piston. Hard driver. What he lacked in size, True Grit. He played "big". Was crafty but not as skilled as say a Keon or H.Richard. More abrasive, in your face. Fairly typical of Toronto's front line at that time. Middlin. Journeyman.

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After he wrecked Lafleur's knee, he mysteriously disappeared. :0

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After he wrecked Lafleur's knee, he mysteriously disappeared. :0
Boutette didnt do that LBD. One too many shooters at Thursdays perhaps... C'mon.

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Pat was a good player who as said above destroyed the real Guy Lafleur.The next 3 seasons lafleur missed over 60 games.Though the knee injury was not orr like Lafleur lost confidence and though was a very good player was never the same

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Wasn't he one of those early free agent signees? I like the Boutettes of the league. Him and George Ferguson and Bob Neelys of that era

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The Leafs of that era were a solid club lead by Lanny Macdonald, Darryl Sittler, Mike Palmateer, Tiger Williams and Borje Salming, not quite good enough to get past the great teams of that era, but could upset someone in the playoffs. A dangerous club a really good club, Boutette was one of the spear carriers, nice player on a second line. His career evaporated soon after leaving Toronto. The Leafs were happy with what he was capable of doing, the Penguins were a bad organization back then and expected more of him than he was capable of doing (like bad organizations do) and he faded away. Fun little player though in his day.

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To be fair, Lafleur was a lot like Mickey Mantle. Both are all-time greats and were the face of the game at one point but they burned the candle out at both ends because of their destructive lifestyle. Lafleur not taking care of himself off the ice contributed to his career going the way it did.

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Yepp. Played in Toronto with usually Tiger Williams & Jack Valiquette. Boutette was a little piston. Hard driver. What he lacked in size, True Grit. He played "big". Was crafty but not as skilled as say a Keon or H.Richard. More abrasive, in your face. Fairly typical of Toronto's front line at that time. Middlin. Journeyman.
When in Hartford Pat was more than gritty & abrasive. He was dirty. Mostly with his stick.

You are correct, though, about him being crafty. One of the best I've ever seen at getting away with interference away from the play. In 1980 the Whalers came from 3 goals down to tie the defending champion Canadiens 5-5. They scored the tying goal with the goalie pulled. Boutette had his stick hooked around Dennis Herron's waist from behind during a mad scramble at the crease. Brass Bonanza blasts as Herron and other Canadiens go nuts, Patty chuckling to himself.

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The Leafs of that era were a solid club lead by Lanny Macdonald, Darryl Sittler, Mike Palmateer, Tiger Williams and Borje Salming, not quite good enough to get past the great teams of that era, but could upset someone in the playoffs. A dangerous club a really good club, Boutette was one of the spear carriers, nice player on a second line. His career evaporated soon after leaving Toronto. The Leafs were happy with what he was capable of doing, the Penguins were a bad organization back then and expected more of him than he was capable of doing (like bad organizations do) and he faded away. Fun little player though in his day.
Those late '70s Leafs teams would have been cup contenders, best Leafs teams since the '60s. If not for the Habs having greatest team ever at same time. No fault to the Leafs, no team, not even the Islanders could do anything with Montreal at that time.

Just glad Ballard was a cheapsake and made many bad trades in '70s to save peanuts. Like Garry Unger as a throw-in in Mahovlich/Ullman trade, Bernie Parent for Doug Favell, or Rick Kehoe trade. Or, the Leafs of late '70s could have been a dynasty!

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Big Phil please educate me about Lafleur?Lafleur's last 2 full seasons with habs he led the team in pts.In what season did he come out of shape?In 1976 canada cup which 2 players had the best physical condition in terms of oxygen intake test?They were Gainey and Lafleur.Robinson and Esposito tested poorly.Who on the habs were in better shape than Lafleur?

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Those late '70s Leafs teams would have been cup contenders, best Leafs teams since the '60s. If not for the Habs having greatest team ever at same time. No fault to the Leafs, no team, not even the Islanders could do anything with Montreal at that time... Just glad Ballard was a cheapskate and made many bad trades in '70s to save peanuts. Like Garry Unger as a throw-in in Mahovlich/Ullman trade, Bernie Parent for Doug Favell, or Rick Kehoe trade. Or, the Leafs of late '70s could have been a dynasty!
Just a massive series of mistakes that go back to the early 60's really. Dissolution of the farm system. In addition to what you correctly point out, Ballards treatment of Keon in particular at that time was really destructive. Had he been retained, the Captain of the team, we'd have had a lot more balance, depth, and may have been able to have contained & shut down Montreal as we had quite successfully in the past playing a stifling defensive game. But everyone with promise; gone. Mike Walton, just a tonne of em.

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Big Phil please educate me about Lafleur?Lafleur's last 2 full seasons with habs he led the team in pts.In what season did he come out of shape?In 1976 canada cup which 2 players had the best physical condition in terms of oxygen intake test?They were Gainey and Lafleur.Robinson and Esposito tested poorly.Who on the habs were in better shape than Lafleur?
Guy was 'The Natural' so to speak, but he smoked alot, partied alot and had some bad car accidents because of it. That plus alot of injuries derailed what should have been a top 10 player of all time career.

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...Patty chuckling to himself.
Ya, sounds pretty much a-typical. Hartford had a few ex-Leafs over the years, obviously the most notable being Dave Keon, but also goalie's Al Smith & Jeff Reese; Joel Quenneville, Stewart Gavin & Dave Williams who I believe finished out his career with the Whalers, playing just a handful of games.

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Big Phil please educate me about Lafleur?Lafleur's last 2 full seasons with habs he led the team in pts.In what season did he come out of shape?In 1976 canada cup which 2 players had the best physical condition in terms of oxygen intake test?They were Gainey and Lafleur.Robinson and Esposito tested poorly.Who on the habs were in better shape than Lafleur?
That was 1976 though. BP is talking about 81-84 when he wasn't taking care of himself and drinking too much.

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That was 1976 though. BP is talking about 81-84 when he wasn't taking care of himself and drinking too much.
Lafleur started to fade pretty fast around 1981...at 30 years old it shouldn't have happened. It points to conditioning.

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Lafleur started to fade pretty fast around 1981...at 30 years old it shouldn't have happened. It points to conditioning.
Isn't that what I just said?

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Isn't that what I just said?
Yepp. Whatcha said.... and I actually liked that trait in Lafleur. Light it up at both ends, in the middle. Only young once. Go for it. Better to burn out than just fade away, skills' diminishing regardless. As the late Christopher Hitchens said just before dying of Cancer after years of drinking & heavy smoking, "its the only way for a Gentleman to live. If I cant do that...". Be a terrible thing, to wake up in the hospital, not knowing why your there LBD.

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Big Phil please educate me about Lafleur?Lafleur's last 2 full seasons with habs he led the team in pts.In what season did he come out of shape?In 1976 canada cup which 2 players had the best physical condition in terms of oxygen intake test?They were Gainey and Lafleur.Robinson and Esposito tested poorly.Who on the habs were in better shape than Lafleur?
Not sure about Robinson but Phil isn't the best standard of physical fitness.

His idea of training camp was a case of beer in the sauna.

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Here is what was written about Boutette while he played:

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...&postcount=154

mean, dirty, abrasive little SOB. You want him on your team and not on the opposition. Not really a defensive guy but did spend a lot of time on the PK. Versatile. Could play all three forward positions. Could fight. He could be a good 30-ish point 3rd liner, or put him on the top line as the token grit, and watch his totals double (which they did for three seasons). The 70s/80s version of Darcy Tucker.

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if my memory is correct he got injured in 84 and his wheels fell off

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Here is what was written about Boutette while he played:

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...&postcount=154

mean, dirty, abrasive little SOB. You want him on your team and not on the opposition. Not really a defensive guy but did spend a lot of time on the PK. Versatile. Could play all three forward positions. Could fight. He could be a good 30-ish point 3rd liner, or put him on the top line as the token grit, and watch his totals double (which they did for three seasons). The 70s/80s version of Darcy Tucker.
That's amazing information. How many of those have you done?

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That's amazing information. How many of those have you done?
A couple hundred, and this is a very short one for me.

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A couple hundred, and this is a very short one for me.
Accurate 70's. Dead-Bang-On. What else ya got?

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Accurate 70's. Dead-Bang-On. What else ya got?
You'll have to scan the roster threads in the ATD section. All my bios are linked in there.

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