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05-03-2013, 08:16 PM
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Bourque is exactly the kind of player this team needs. Hes big, hits, drives the net and has skill. You especially need a guy like that in the play-offs when most goals are scored from the dirty areas given the tough play. So no, you don't trade Bourque, you try to get another guy like that.

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I'd be cool with Morrow depending how much he wants and for how long. I'd rather just play Tinordi than get Scuderi. Stewart? I don't knlw much about him. Isn't he a bit of a nutcase?
never hurts to have a nutcase or two around, keeps nutcase's on other teams in check

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05-03-2013, 11:44 PM
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If that's all you know about Bickell.... why do you think he's a much better option than Stalberg?

Viktor Stalberg 6'03 210lbs Age: 27
Very reliable third liner with the offensive abilities to fit into a top 6 role in a pinch. Plays well defensively and in a checking role. Not known for taking stupid penalties. Doesn't fight but is tough enough to stand on his own. Incredibly fast.

The biggest difference is speed and offensive ability. Stalberg is above average speed-wise and Bickell is average bordering on below-average IMO. Stalberg's speed fits into our system better than Bickell's slow, defensive play. Bickell isn't as big of a deal as his stats propose, had a breakout year. He can't be put in a top-6 role without some changes.

I'd be happy with either one or both of them. Can't go too wrong, both are really what we're looking for this offseason. If we don't resign Ryder we need someone as a plan B in case of injuries in our top-6.
Take both Stalberg and Bickell. Don't resign Armstrong and Ryder. Try to trade Gio and maybe Moen and go after Clarkson.

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I think we'll need a top 6/9 RW and 4th line C. Here's my list

RW
Jagr - suggested every year but Jagr for a yr still makes sense
Ryder - this playoff will determine. still scoring goals
Clarkson - grit and scoring but lots of bad press too
Horton - same deal but injury risk
Latendresse - still holds value as a 3rd line power forward
Boyes - short term option perhaps
Leblanc - a good camp could put him on the 3rd line
Stalberg/Bickell - good 3rd line options
Clowe - don't know if he plays RW but size and scoring (though not so much this year)

4C
B Gordon - RH FO specialist and checker
Lapierre - developed into a reliable 4C
Steckel - same as above
Reasoner - don't know if he still has the legs but he was a reliable checker
Halpern - not ideal size but plays well enough here

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I think we'll need a top 6/9 RW and 4th line C.
I think a big need for the team and a place where they can really improve is Ryder's spot in the top-6. Despite his size, he is one of the softest players on the team and seems to have negative defensive value. He's getting older and doesn't play with the speed or passion I'd like to see out of a top-6 player. Having a sniper on the top line can be a huge asset to the team. For example, I doubt Montreal's powerplay would be as successful as it is without Ryder, he also creates space for other players when he's in the offensive zone. I hope we look for someone who can replace his speed, shot and passing ability but also has basic defensive understanding and drive.

My key acquisition would be to re-acquire Cammalleri from Calgary. I know he's smaller than many people would like but he plays a tougher, more physical game than Ryder. I'd say it's a wash in the toughness-size department. He brings those first-shot scoring opportunities as well as another shot-option on the PP. He plays an okay defensive game and stays involved in the play. Despite his rough departure, I think with new management and a different coach, he could be very successful here.

Desharnais + Moen

Pacioretty-Eller-Gallagher
Bourque-Plekanec-Cammalleri
XXXX-Galchenyuk-Gionta
Prust-Dumont-White

Any other options out there? Not Clowe, Clarkson, Horton etc.

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05-04-2013, 07:48 AM
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Take both Stalberg and Bickell. Don't resign Armstrong and Ryder. Try to trade Gio and maybe Moen and go after Clarkson.
All of this makes sense to me.

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I think a big need for the team and a place where they can really improve is Ryder's spot in the top-6. Despite his size, he is one of the softest players on the team and seems to have negative defensive value. He's getting older and doesn't play with the speed or passion I'd like to see out of a top-6 player. Having a sniper on the top line can be a huge asset to the team. For example, I doubt Montreal's powerplay would be as successful as it is without Ryder, he also creates space for other players when he's in the offensive zone. I hope we look for someone who can replace his speed, shot and passing ability but also has basic defensive understanding and drive.

My key acquisition would be to re-acquire Cammalleri from Calgary. I know he's smaller than many people would like but he plays a tougher, more physical game than Ryder. I'd say it's a wash in the toughness-size department. He brings those first-shot scoring opportunities as well as another shot-option on the PP. He plays an okay defensive game and stays involved in the play. Despite his rough departure, I think with new management and a different coach, he could be very successful here.

Desharnais + Moen

Pacioretty-Eller-Gallagher
Bourque-Plekanec-Cammalleri
XXXX-Galchenyuk-Gionta
Prust-Dumont-White

Any other options out there? Not Clowe, Clarkson, Horton etc.
Oh please no more Cammy. Lets move forward and bigger.

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05-04-2013, 07:52 AM
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I think a big need for the team and a place where they can really improve is Ryder's spot in the top-6. Despite his size, he is one of the softest players on the team and seems to have negative defensive value. He's getting older and doesn't play with the speed or passion I'd like to see out of a top-6 player. Having a sniper on the top line can be a huge asset to the team. For example, I doubt Montreal's powerplay would be as successful as it is without Ryder, he also creates space for other players when he's in the offensive zone. I hope we look for someone who can replace his speed, shot and passing ability but also has basic defensive understanding and drive.

My key acquisition would be to re-acquire Cammalleri from Calgary. I know he's smaller than many people would like but he plays a tougher, more physical game than Ryder. I'd say it's a wash in the toughness-size department. He brings those first-shot scoring opportunities as well as another shot-option on the PP. He plays an okay defensive game and stays involved in the play. Despite his rough departure, I think with new management and a different coach, he could be very successful here.

Desharnais + Moen

Pacioretty-Eller-Gallagher
Bourque-Plekanec-Cammalleri
XXXX-Galchenyuk-Gionta
Prust-Dumont-White

Any other options out there? Not Clowe, Clarkson, Horton etc.
Cammalleri was as soft as Karlsson his last year here, he was avoiding contact at all cost and not willing to pay the price. Plus he isn't worth his 6 mil cap hit PLUS people are already complaining the team is small.

I would take Clowe or Horton before Cammy for sure.

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05-04-2013, 08:28 AM
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trade Moen, let Ryder walk. sign:

- David Clarkson
- Brian Bickell
- Boyd Gordon

Pacioretty - Desharnais - Gallagher

Bourque - Plekanec - Gionta

Galchenyuk - Eller - Clarkson

Prust - Gordon - Bickell/White

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05-04-2013, 09:11 AM
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Pacioretty - Plekanec - Gallagher
Desharnais - Eller - Bourque
Bickell - Galchenyuk - Gionta
Prust - White - Moen
Dumont/Blunden

Markov - Subban
Emelin - Diaz
Tinordi - Gorges
Bouillon

Bickell seems like a guy Bergevin would have some interest in plus he's obviously familiar with him from when he worked in Chicago.

Obviously we'd like to add more size but I think Gionta has more value to us than on the trade block so I'd just let him finish his contract with us, if Galchenyuk looks comfortable at C and Kristo shows he can play in the NHL next year I'd hope we'd try shopping Desharnais.

The way Tinordi has played you've gotta think he's done with Hamilton, getting Emelin back will make our defense look very good.

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05-04-2013, 09:25 AM
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Pacioretty - Plekanec - Gallagher
Desharnais - Eller - Bourque
Bickell - Galchenyuk - Gionta
Prust - White - Moen
Dumont/Blunden

Markov - Subban
Emelin - Diaz
Tinordi - Gorges
Bouillon

Bickell seems like a guy Bergevin would have some interest in plus he's obviously familiar with him from when he worked in Chicago.

Obviously we'd like to add more size but I think Gionta has more value to us than on the trade block so I'd just let him finish his contract with us, if Galchenyuk looks comfortable at C and Kristo shows he can play in the NHL next year I'd hope we'd try shopping Desharnais.

The way Tinordi has played you've gotta think he's done with Hamilton, getting Emelin back will make our defense look very good.
Bickell wouldn't be a bad addition, but the price has to be right and he has to make it to UFA. Chicago will probably buy out Montador and Olesz so they have the cap space to keep him.

He is a guy that would provide size and physical play though he isn't a fighter(120 career PIMs). 3rd line guy who hits and chips in 10-15 goals and around 30 points. As a UFA he'll probably cost around 3 mil/year for 3-4 years.

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Bickell wouldn't be a bad addition, but the price has to be right and he has to make it to UFA. Chicago will probably buy out Montador and Olesz so they have the cap space to keep him.

He is a guy that would provide size and physical play though he isn't a fighter(120 career PIMs). 3rd line guy who hits and chips in 10-15 goals and around 30 points. As a UFA he'll probably cost around 3 mil/year for 3-4 years.
NYR had the cap space to re-sign Prust. Sometimes guys just want to test free agency.

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Bickell wouldn't be a bad addition, but the price has to be right and he has to make it to UFA. Chicago will probably buy out Montador and Olesz so they have the cap space to keep him.

He is a guy that would provide size and physical play though he isn't a fighter(120 career PIMs). 3rd line guy who hits and chips in 10-15 goals and around 30 points. As a UFA he'll probably cost around 3 mil/year for 3-4 years.
Can they compliance buyout both during the same "period" ?

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Pacioretty - Plekanec - Gallagher
Desharnais - Eller - Bourque
Bickell - Galchenyuk - Gionta
Prust - White - Moen
Dumont/Blunden

Markov - Subban
Emelin - Diaz
Tinordi - Gorges
Bouillon

Bickell seems like a guy Bergevin would have some interest in plus he's obviously familiar with him from when he worked in Chicago.

Obviously we'd like to add more size but I think Gionta has more value to us than on the trade block so I'd just let him finish his contract with us, if Galchenyuk looks comfortable at C and Kristo shows he can play in the NHL next year I'd hope we'd try shopping Desharnais.

The way Tinordi has played you've gotta think he's done with Hamilton, getting Emelin back will make our defense look very good.
Pacioretty Galchenyuk Gallagher
Stalberg Plekanec Bourque
Dupuis Eller Clarkson
Prust White Moen

Trade Gio to NJ and DD to Nash. We could use a pure sniper but we would have to see what is available from teams under cap pressure. I see Chicago moving Hossa and Vanc moving Bieksa.

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NYR had the cap space to re-sign Prust. Sometimes guys just want to test free agency.
Or teams don't want to pay the cost.

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Can they compliance buyout both during the same "period" ?
Yup, you can use 2 at any point in the 2013 and 2014 off season. The Habs will use both in 2013 with Gomez(done) and Kaberle(likely).

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Pacioretty Galchenyuk Gallagher
Stalberg Plekanec Bourque
Dupuis Eller Clarkson
Prust White Moen

Trade Gio to NJ and DD to Nash. We could use a pure sniper but we would have to see what is available from teams under cap pressure. I see Chicago moving Hossa and Vanc moving Bieksa.
Chicago won't have cap issues once they dump Montador and Olesz. That frees up 4-5 mil to keep Bickell and Leddy. Hossa at 5.275 would not be a cap casualty even if they were in trouble, he's a great cap value(though they may take a hit if he retires early).

I hope you're not suggesting Galchenyuk should be our #1 center next year.

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I'd love to see a Stalberg-Eller-Bourque line. That's a big, fast line.

I also think there should be room on the 3rd line for Kristo.

Pacioretty-Plekanec-Gallagher
Stalberg-Eller-Bourque
_____(Ryder?)-Galchenyuk-Kristo

Would probably have to swap Ryder and Bourque. Anyways, Goodbye Desharnais and Gionta.

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I'd love to see a Stalberg-Eller-Bourque line. That's a big, fast line.

I also think there should be room on the 3rd line for Kristo.

Pacioretty-Plekanec-Gallagher
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_____(Ryder?)-Galchenyuk-Kristo

Would probably have to swap Ryder and Bourque. Anyways, Goodbye Desharnais and Gionta.
I do think Stalberg will be on the Habs radar with the connection to Bergevin. The team can also use some more speed on the wings. The team is built for fast transition and adding Stalberg + Kristo would make them that much more effective.

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Cammalleri was as soft as Karlsson his last year here, he was avoiding contact at all cost and not willing to pay the price. Plus he isn't worth his 6 mil cap hit PLUS people are already complaining the team is small.

I would take Clowe or Horton before Cammy for sure.
I'm just throwing him out there as an option for another PP specialist/sniper type of player. In my opinion Cammalleri plays a much faster, physical game than Ryder. I know that isn't saying a lot, it still means something. Cammy is at the very least engaged in defensive play, not skating by players or letting them glide by him in the offensive zone. What we want is a big player with offensive specialist ability and a good shot but, these type of players happen to be very rare and expensive. Cammy has one year left on a 6mil contract, we will have no problems paying Subban, Eller, etc. next year.

Clowe is not a replacement for Ryder and Horton won't sign in Montreal. We don't have any players to replace Ryder on our current team. I am all for getting bigger and tougher but we're an offence-oriented team. This is now where a lot of our success is from. I had proposed packaging DD in the deal, more of a lateral move for size but big improvement in terms of team needs. Calgary desperately needs centres. DD + Moen + 3rd/Pateryn. Size, centre, prospect.

Does anyone know of any available players that are currently; defensively capable, offensive PP-specialists, over 5'10, not overly expensive, not too old and have a good shot?

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I'm just throwing him out there as an option for another PP specialist/sniper type of player. In my opinion Cammalleri plays a much faster, physical game than Ryder. I know that isn't saying a lot, it still means something. Cammy is at the very least engaged in defensive play, not skating by players or letting them glide by him in the offensive zone. What we want is a big player with offensive specialist ability and a good shot but, these type of players happen to be very rare and expensive. Cammy has one year left on a 6mil contract, we will have no problems paying Subban, Eller, etc. next year.

Clowe is not a replacement for Ryder and Horton won't sign in Montreal. We don't have any players to replace Ryder on our current team. I am all for getting bigger and tougher but we're an offence-oriented team. This is now where a lot of our success is from. I had proposed packaging DD in the deal, more of a lateral move for size but big improvement in terms of team needs. Calgary desperately needs centres. DD + Moen + 3rd/Pateryn. Size, centre, prospect.

Does anyone know of any available players that are currently; defensively capable, offensive PP-specialists, over 5'10, not overly expensive, not too old and have a good shot?
Don't know about that, Ryder and Clowe are both Newfs.

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Chicago won't have cap issues once they dump Montador and Olesz. That frees up 4-5 mil to keep Bickell and Leddy. Hossa at 5.275 would not be a cap casualty even if they were in trouble, he's a great cap value(though they may take a hit if he retires early).

I hope you're not suggesting Galchenyuk should be our #1 center next year.
Not saying Galchenyuk is 1st line center. I just threw some lines together. He should be 3rd line and keep playing sheltered minutes.

Leddy will take Montadors salary so with the Olesz buyout, they would have about 5 million in cap space and have to sign Emery - 2 million. I don't see them keeping Stalberg or Bickell unless they trade a salary. Hossa has 8 years left at over 5 million per year cap hit so he may be available. Not totally sure we want that hit either but he would be a nice upgrade on Ryder.

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Pacioretty Galchenyuk Gallagher
Stalberg Plekanec Bourque
Dupuis Eller Clarkson
Prust White Moen

Trade Gio to NJ and DD to Nash. We could use a pure sniper but we would have to see what is available from teams under cap pressure. I see Chicago moving Hossa and Vanc moving Bieksa.
This makes so much sense to me,NJ needs to make a little splash at the 2013 NHL Draft which is in NJ

NASH has little offensive talent so this could make sense for them.

My Top UFA's List
1. Stallberg
2. Bickell
3. Raymond
4. Lapierre
5. Bordeleau

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This makes so much sense to me,NJ needs to make a little splash at the 2013 NHL Draft which is in NJ

NASH has little offensive talent so this could make sense for them.

My Top UFA's List
1. Stallberg
2. Bickell
3. Raymond
4. Lapierre
5. Bordeleau
Yes I like all of these UFA's. I would take Bickell and get rid of Moen. Bordeleau for 13/14 forward spot.

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Pacioretty Galchenyuk Gallagher
Stalberg Plekanec Bourque
Dupuis Eller Clarkson
Prust White Moen

Trade Gio to NJ and DD to Nash. We could use a pure sniper but we would have to see what is available from teams under cap pressure. I see Chicago moving Hossa and Vanc moving Bieksa.
Gionta to NJ for Matteau? Big risk prospect and seems to have had some problems this year, perhaps he's available. Tough to see them doing it considering they valued him so highly at the draft.

The only problem with attempting to filch good players off of teams with cap troubles is that almost every one of them can solve their cap issues with buyouts. It isn't NYI or CLB that are having troubles, it's the big market teams. Hopefully it does lead to some players hitting Free Agency or becoming available for trade who otherwise wouldn't.

I don't think there's anything out of Nashville that DD would return as to make it worth it. All of their assets are too expensive or just not worth it. I think Calgary (whether or not for Cammalleri ) would be a better option. Who knows, maybe even to Chicago for prospects.

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