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05-03-2013, 03:29 PM
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Edmonton seems like a good bet. Position vacant and they have the capspace/money.
How is the position vacant? Dubnyk put up a .920 save percentage this year behind a crappy defense.

Mike Smith put up .910 in Phoenix.

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How hilarious would it be if the flyers bought out bryzgalov, signed mike smith, and then next season, Smith is terrible and Bryz reverts back to his Vezina calibre form?

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How hilarious would it be if the flyers bought out bryzgalov, signed mike smith, and then next season, Smith is terrible and Bryz reverts back to his Vezina calibre form?
And in another twist, the Coyotes were the team that signed Bryzgalov back on a sweetheart deal.

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And in another twist, the Coyotes were the team that signed Bryzgalov back on a sweetheart deal.
Yeah that was my point. Forgot to add that part in haha

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I think it would be a foolish career move for Smith to leave Phoenix at this point. He has finally established himself by proving to be the right goalie for their system, and who knows if he could have the same success elsewhere. He has a good blueline in front of him whose top piece continues to get better each day (OEL).

With the Olympics right around the corner, Smith should be right in the thick of things when talking about Canadian goaltenders ( no one else really seems to have a hold on the job). It wouldn't be smart to make a drastic career move that could jeopardize that standing.

I think Smith will end up staying in Phoenix for somewhere in between $9MM and $11MM over two seasons, or maybe in the neighborhood of $15MM over three.
Oh good God, I hope NOT! Each of those suggestions represent twice his actual worth. FIVE million bucks for Mike Smith. Yikes. No effing way. You know that ten percent of our ENTIRE roster budget, right. Good God, no way.

The absolute biggest deal I'd give him is three years, ten million. If he wants more, he's welcome to go be a horrifying disappointment to another franchise and market. We all know how much he enjoyed letting down everyone in Tampa. Knock yourself out Mike. Go ahead.

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05-03-2013, 04:30 PM
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Anyone that over pays for Smith is flat out nuts. Look for the flyers to pursue him.

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05-03-2013, 04:58 PM
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How is the position vacant? Dubnyk put up a .920 save percentage this year behind a crappy defense.

Mike Smith put up .910 in Phoenix.
Agreed - and I'm a huge fan of Smith's, but he was essentially a league-average goaltender this year:

http://hockeygoalies.org/bio/smithm.html

(under Regular Season Statistics)

Dubnyk, on the other hand, was more than a standard deviation above average, and four years younger to boot.

http://hockeygoalies.org/bio/dubnyk.html

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I can't say I'd like for the Leafs to shell out for him, but the Leafs could really, really use a goalie with his puck handling abilities.

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Though it is a shallow UFA goalie market (Smith, Backstrom, Khudobin, Theodore, Nabokov), there aren't a lot of teams likely looking for a goalie: Carolina might look for a back-up, same with Columbus, possibly Detroit, Edmonton will be looking for a back-up/1B type goalie, Florida will be looking at a back-up, Minnesota might be looking at a starter if Backstrom leaves, same with the Islanders, Winnipeg will probably look at another back-up. Plus when you throw in trade possibilities like Roberto Luongo and Ryan Miller, you've got 5 starting goalies with few starting slots available.
All of which is why I'd be surprised anyone (other than Phoenix) throws a lot of money at Smith. I don't really understand all of the hype about him when, other than the 2011-12 season, he hasn't really put together impressive seasons - and he failed to capture the starting positions in Dallas or Tampa before signing with Phoenix. To me, he's a journeyman goalie that had one spectacular season - not unlike what happened with Brian Elliot or Ilya Bryzgalov.

Backstrom has a far longer, more proven track record than Smith and should command far more if he enters free agency IMO.

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I think this could turn out like Stempniak and the Yotes did a few years back. Stemps hit the market after getting traded to the Yotes late the season and put up 14 goals in 18 games. Then everyone expected him to become a UFA and get paid, but the GMs all saw through the numbers, and PHX re-signed him later in the summer for a decent cost on a short-term deal. I could see a similar situation working out here because Smith and the Yotes seem to be a good fit for each other, and other teams might not want to gamble on getting pre-PHX Mike Smith.

The fact is Smith looked great last year (11/12), but looked like his old, inconsistent self this past year with some standout performances thrown in. I doubt there is really a large market for him, the timing is poor.
It's different for goalies. We're going to see one goalie go on a big, surprising, amazing run and carry his team to the Conference finals this year, and at least one good team crash out when their goalie collapses in a series / big game. A GM will overreact. Smith and Backstrom are the two most attractive goalies this summer, and when the market is thin, prices soar. If Jimmy Howard got 6 years, Smith will get 5.
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I can't say I'd like for the Leafs to shell out for him, but the Leafs could really, really use a goalie with his puck handling abilities.
I like this opinion, because it's insane.

A goalie who can handle the puck well and help his defense make clean breakouts is a nice bonus ... it's not a reason to sign a guy. It IS a reason for a dumb team to add an extra year and an extra million per.

Most Coyotes fans have already come to grips with the idea that Smith won't be around next year, and most aren't that troubled by it. I'd love to have him back, but not if it means the budget for scoring gets crunched even more ... goaltender is a position I'm willing to take a chance if a chance needs to be taken in order to afford a couple 30-goal scorers.

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I know where he won't sign.

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He's a pretty likable guy so I hope he gets overpaid in July especially since there's zero chance it will be with the Lightning.

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How is the position vacant? Dubnyk put up a .920 save percentage this year behind a crappy defense.

Mike Smith put up .910 in Phoenix.
I believe the 'vacant position' being referred to is as a 1B with Dubnyk. As long as they don't make a huge overpay for him I think he's a good fit there though.

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05-03-2013, 06:22 PM
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I can't say I'd like for the Leafs to shell out for him, but the Leafs could really, really use a goalie with his puck handling abilities.
Yeah.. he can handle the puck better than some of our defenseman

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I believe the 'vacant position' being referred to is as a 1B with Dubnyk. As long as they don't make a huge overpay for him I think he's a good fit there though.
Yes, this is what I meant.

IMO Smith dreaming about a certain number 1 job and the big money contract is just that, him dreaming.

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I could see him in CGY if Kipp retires

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Interesting read. Though it is a shallow UFA goalie market (Smith, Backstrom, Khudobin, Theodore, Nabokov), there aren't a lot of teams likely looking for a goalie: Carolina might look for a back-up, same with Columbus, possibly Detroit, Edmonton will be looking for a back-up/1B type goalie, Florida will be looking at a back-up, Minnesota might be looking at a starter if Backstrom leaves, same with the Islanders, Winnipeg will probably look at another back-up.
I would much rather give Backstrom 6 million per year again than give Mike Smith anything north of 3.5 million. Please stay away from Minnesota.

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Toronto is NOT sold on their goalie every statment ever made by dave Nonis points to that so if Reimer bombs which he did in game 1 with 2 brutal goals. Don't be shocked if Nonis signs Simth who tied the NHL lead in shutouts or Backstrom or looks at Luongo and Miller
James was Toronto's nominee for the masterson this year and he posted the 7th best save percentage in the league.

Most people who've watched the Leafs regularly this season know that goaltending is the least of their worries. When you're out shot 50-18 in every game, it doesn't really matter who's between the pipes. You're probably going to lose.

The organization has said that they're interested in a more experienced goalie but mike smith isn't exactly a vet. I have to ask why it is that every time a player approaches free agency we have to throw Toronto's name at it?

Mike Smith would be wise to sign with Phoenix. I'm not really sure if a lot of other teams have a starter position for him.


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To me, parts of the article make it almost sound like Phoenix is unsure on whether Smith is worth the money and using the instability as an excuse to let Smith go.


http://www.azcentral.com/sports/coyo...ike-smith.html

Interesting read. Though it is a shallow UFA goalie market (Smith, Backstrom, Khudobin, Theodore, Nabokov), there aren't a lot of teams likely looking for a goalie: Carolina might look for a back-up, same with Columbus, possibly Detroit, Edmonton will be looking for a back-up/1B type goalie, Florida will be looking at a back-up, Minnesota might be looking at a starter if Backstrom leaves, same with the Islanders, Winnipeg will probably look at another back-up. Plus when you throw in trade possibilities like Roberto Luongo and Ryan Miller, you've got 5 starting goalies with few starting slots available.
Tim Thomas also...I think he will be the steal of the summer. It's not uncommon for top goalies to take a year off. Jacques Plante did it, Hasek, Ken Dryden. When they came back the rest seems like revitalizes and extends their careers. Each went on to about 3 or 4 more good years.

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Kinda feel bad for Smith because I liked him back in his Dallas days and thought he would become a #1 in Tampa; it's true what he said, he was always given short-term deals to prove himself. I think he's done that in his stint with Phoenix.

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To me, parts of the article make it almost sound like Phoenix is unsure on whether Smith is worth the money and using the instability as an excuse to let Smith go.
It makes sense since they did the same thing with Bryzgalov. It worked once already.

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I think Smith is much like Kiprusoff and not in a good way.

Great goaltender on a defense first team. Average goaltender when playing on a team that is more offensive minded and gives up more chances. Flames saw this with Kiprusoff under Mike Keenan and again under Hartley, if Smith leaves he better hope an offer comes from a sound defensive team of he will be exploited for what he is.

That said if Kiprusoff does decide not to retire, they could trade him to Phoenix as he would be great there due to the system played.

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How hilarious would it be if the flyers bought out bryzgalov, signed mike smith, and then next season, Smith is terrible and Bryz reverts back to his Vezina calibre form?
Book it.

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Hopefully the Coyotes can trade him for something but I doubt it this time after other teams have seen what has happened with Bryz after he got traded to Philly.
Plus the more important fact the season is over and he's a UFA.

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who is the next mike smith?

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