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View Poll Results: Who did better in the two trades?
New York Rangers (receive Nash and co.) 44 37.61%
Columbus Blue Jackets (receive Gaborik and co.) 73 62.39%
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05-04-2013, 03:25 PM
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Rangers vs. Blue Jackets Trades

Who got the better of the combined trades between these two teams?

To NYR: Rick Nash, Derick Brassard, Derek Dorsett, John Moore, CLB 6th 2013
To CLB: Marian Gaborik, Brandon Dubinksy, Artem Anisimov, Tim Erixon, NYR 1st 2013, Steven Delisle, Blake Parlett

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Neither, because the only souls even worth mentioning on either team are the goaltenders who were not exchanged.

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Neither, because the only souls even worth mentioning on either team are the goaltenders who were not exchanged.

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Gabby > Nash

Dubinsky > Brassard -> big difference in playoffs

Anisimov > spare parts




Erixon < Moore

Moore will make one of Girardi/Staal expendable.

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05-04-2013, 04:01 PM
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Neither, because the only souls even worth mentioning on either team are the goaltenders who were not exchanged.
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05-05-2013, 06:27 AM
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Gabby > Nash

Dubinsky > Brassard -> big difference in playoffs

Anisimov > spare parts




Erixon < Moore

Moore will make one of Girardi/Staal expendable.
Gabby < Nash-- Goals aren't everything. I loved Gabby when he played in NY but Nash is better at everything except for scoring goals

Dubinsky < Brassard -> big difference in playoffs-- Hard to say there is a big difference in playoffs considering Brass has played in exactly 2 playoff games

Anisimov > spare parts-- I agree Anisimov is better than Dorsett. I hope Dorsett doesn't give up *** *** penalties and lose his assignment all of the time. But it was his 1st game back

1st > 6th


Erixon < Moore

Moore will make one of Girardi/Staal expendable.

^^ Moore won't make one of them expendable. If anyone becomes expendable because of him, its MDZ, but not even him at this point because Moore is unproven and somewhat raw still.

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05-05-2013, 07:26 AM
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05-05-2013, 10:43 PM
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Gabby > Nash

Dubinsky > Brassard -> big difference in playoffs

Anisimov > spare parts




Erixon < Moore

Moore will make one of Girardi/Staal expendable.
What are you basing Gabby being better than Nash? Gabby had about half a point per game this year, Nash had almost PPG. Also Gabby is completely invisible when he's not scoring. Nash is at least creating offense spending time in the offensive zone. This season Nash has had has been better than Gabby had with us with the possible exception of 2010 and that was 3 years ago. There's no saying if Gabby will ever be back to what he was. He did come back from a terrible season 2 years ago to a much better one last year. Still, do you really want a player that gets hurt a lot (even with us where it's been happening a lot less) and only plays every other year (might be related)? Plus Nash is a little younger. There is no basis in saying that Gabby is better, absolutely none. Nash was on pace for almost 40 goals, so it's not like he couldn't score. That's after having a nightmare start. Also regarding the playoffs since his first year Gabby hasn't done much. Nash has played in 6 playoff games, 4 of those his team was completely overmatched by a far superior Wings team.

I don't know what Dubi did in Columbus this year, but Brassard was A LOT better this year for us than Dubi was last year for us.

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05-05-2013, 11:00 PM
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From my perspective.

Nash>Gabby. Gabby was TERRIBLE this year, can we trust him to be good next year? If we can, what about the year after? Seriously he's become a major flake.

Brassard>Dubinsky of last year, but Brassard<Dubinsky of the year before. I don't know what Dubinsky was like this year.

John Moore>Any of the garbage we have at #6. He's playing well, I don't know what we'll get with Erixon.

Losing the 1st sucks.

Honestly I like this year's team's talent. I think most of their problems are not because of the trades. 1) A lot of players on defense that weren't part of any trades overachieved last year and aren't playing that great. 2) The team as a whole overachieved last year. They were also relatively lucky. If you project to an 82 game schedule this year's team was only something like -8 compared to last year's team. That's including most of the year with Gaborik. 3) We have fewer defensive forwards. Losing Dubi and Anisimov did hurt here, but so was losing Feds and Prust.

Most of their problems are not because of the trades and IMO we improved our talent. Definitely in the top end. I'm sorry Nash is better than every version of Gaborik since 2010. Even if you project his #s they're about the same as Gabby's, but he was more of a difference maker. Also, we got a really nice piece in John Moore, who knows what Erixon would be. Losing the 1st sucks though.

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05-06-2013, 12:26 AM
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surprised this poll is so lopsided... thought it was pretty even, but thought the rangers got the better package.

nash >>> gaborik this year... equal most years, can do more on his own than gaborik
dorsett < dubinsky, brings different things to the table but dubi is a more skilled player
moore >> erixon for now, and likely will develop better with the speed. i like everything about him. his package is more complete
brassard > anisimov.. like the skillset more but these guys are close
the 1st would kill us if we didn't make the playoffs, but otherwise i think we won the trade.

it's close for sure, but i think the quality of players we have playing right now makes up for the 1st.

either way both teams won these trades

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05-06-2013, 12:59 AM
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Columbus won. They are the ones that actually improved their team. Nash is the best player, but everything else Columbus got is far better than Brassard, Dorsett and Moore.

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surprised this poll is so lopsided... thought it was pretty even, but thought the rangers got the better package.

nash >>> gaborik this year... equal most years, can do more on his own than gaborik
dorsett < dubinsky, brings different things to the table but dubi is a more skilled player
moore >> erixon for now, and likely will develop better with the speed. i like everything about him. his package is more complete
brassard > anisimov.. like the skillset more but these guys are close
the 1st would kill us if we didn't make the playoffs, but otherwise i think we won the trade.

it's close for sure, but i think the quality of players we have playing right now makes up for the 1st.

either way both teams won these trades
I'm sure you meant Nash this year, Gaborik almost all other years.

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I'm sure you meant Nash this year, Gaborik almost all other years.
Going forward a player like Gaborik is way less likely to have longevity. I think that's why he was dealt. He has been showing signs of a decline. 2 abysmal years out of the last 3...it's inexcusable given when he isn't on the scoresheet he is a nonfactor.

I'm curious however to see how gabby plays during a contract yr.

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05-06-2013, 06:49 AM
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05-06-2013, 08:28 AM
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Jackets...40 goal, 80 point Gabby>30 goal, 70 point Nash...
Moore>Erixon
Anisimov>Brassard (size,defense)
Dubinsky>Dorsett
1st>>6th

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Jackets won the trades.

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Jackets, I think the Rangers overacheived last year but they didn't help by trading away all their depth. I don't think Nash is significantly better than Gaborik either. This year, yes, however.

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Jackets...40 goal, 80 point Gabby>30 goal, 70 point Nash...
Moore>Erixon
Anisimov>Brassard (size,defense)
Dubinsky>Dorsett
1st>>6th
Gabby was awful in 2 of the last 3 years and last year his point total was about the same if not less than Nash was projected to this year. Gabby hasn't been an 80 point player in 3 years and he's not getting younger. Even if he returns to form, you just can't have a player on your team that has a ****** season every other year.

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Jackets, I think the Rangers overacheived last year but they didn't help by trading away all their depth. I don't think Nash is significantly better than Gaborik either. This year, yes, however.
The thing is the 2nd trade replenished a lot of the depth (as well as the Zucc signing and Clowe trades). We now have similar depth with better top end talent. Just a lot of guys overachieved last year. Also as I said we have fewer defensive forwards. We're playing a defensive system with a lot of holes. Might as well try to open it up. The D can't get much worse anyway.

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The edge is to Columbus for now because they got the culture change that they needed badly. The primary reason for Columbus' improvement was the outstanding play of Bob, which had nothing to do with the trades with the Rangers. The challenge for the CBJ now is to build upon what they did this season and continue improving vs. falling back to the basement.

The Nash acquisition was made by NYR to improve their chances of winning a Cup; obviously the jury is still out on that.

Hopefully both teams come away happy from the deals after all is said and done.

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Jackets...40 goal, 80 point Gabby>30 goal, 70 point Nash...
Moore>Erixon
Anisimov>Brassard (size,defense)
Dubinsky>Dorsett
1st>>6th
id be surprised if we saw a 40g 80 point gaborik going forward.

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Hard to say, but you did see a Columbus team that almost made the playoffs a year after finishing last, and the Rangers almost missed the playoffs a year after finishing first in the conference.

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Hard to say, but you did see a Columbus team that almost made the playoffs a year after finishing last, and the Rangers almost missed the playoffs a year after finishing first in the conference.
It's VERY simplistic and erroneous to say that it was because of the trades.

1) Last year's team overachieved for the Rangers. Massively.

2) Bob is the biggest reason for the Blue Jackets resurgence.

3) Both trades weren't completed until the trade deadline. The Rangers had a great record since then (albeit inflated some by a weak schedule).

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It's VERY simplistic and erroneous to say that it was because of the trades.

1) Last year's team overachieved for the Rangers. Massively.

2) Bob is the biggest reason for the Blue Jackets resurgence.

3) Both trades weren't completed until the trade deadline. The Rangers had a great record since then (albeit inflated some by a weak schedule).
For sure. I realize its an overly simplistic answer to a complicated question, but it has to be pointed out, if nothing else.

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