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Jeff Marek: Major NHL Media Personality will be poached by new Fox network

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05-04-2013, 12:47 PM
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Actually, NewsCorp who owns Fox Sports 1 has a market value of ~$70B while BCE (Bell Canada Enterprises) who owns TSN has a market value of ~$35B. So, it's not as big a difference as one might think.
That's twice what Bell is worth. That's about as massive a difference as you can get... that's the difference between my niece's lemonade stand and BCE in the first place.

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Agreed.

Further, Fox is but a small part of NewsCorp and is IIRC about to be spun off into a separate company...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_C..._%28company%29

It is actually doubtful that Fox on its own would even be remotely as big as BCE, contrary to the claims made by that poster. BCE is one of the most widely held stocks in Canada. It is a gigantic firm.

http://www.bce.ca/aboutbce/bceoverview/
Fox Entertainment (and STAR/Sky) are the largest parts of the Newscorp empire. Rump Newscorp will be nothing but newspapers, which as I'm sure you know are a dying industry. 21st Century Fox will remain the most valuable of Rupert Murdoch's holdings after the split. fwiw, it's actually the other way around... new Newscorp is the spinoff, 21st is the old company rebranded.

and one could apply this same logic to TSN, which is a small part of Bell's business... which is really more comparable to AT&T and Comcast than Newscorp. I doubt they expend much cash on their cable portfolio, certainly not as much as Newscorp is known to spend in their Gatsbyesque quest to buy legitimacy.


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05-04-2013, 01:05 PM
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That's twice what Bell is worth. That's about as massive a difference as you can get... that's the difference between my niece's lemonade stand and BCE in the first place.
That is all fine and good, except if you read the thread you may note that we were responding to claims made by another poster that stated "Fox is probably 10x bigger than whoever owns TSN"; it isn't. In fact, FOX will in all likelihood be smaller than NewsCorp when spun off. That was the point. Am not looking to debate the future prospects of either company but rather was correcting an erroneous claim.

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05-04-2013, 01:34 PM
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I'd be willing to bet that Fox Entertainment is easily worth 10x what Bell Media is, though.

and do you honestly believe that the new Newscorp, consisting of the Wall Street Journal, a couple of British and Australian tabloids, an Australian cable channel and some publishing houses, takes up more than half of the company's worth? Come on, be serious.

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I'd be willing to bet that Fox Entertainment is easily worth 10x what Bell Media is, though.

and do you honestly believe that the new Newscorp, consisting of the Wall Street Journal, a couple of British and Australian tabloids, an Australian cable channel and some publishing houses, takes up more than half of the company's worth? Come on, be serious.
Again, you seem to be missing the point. The claim made was not a comparison between individual divisions of the companies, it was in other words not a case of Bell Media's value versus Fox Entertainment but rather that "Fox is probably 10x bigger than whoever owns TSN"; it isn't. TSN is owned by BCE; FOX is not worth 10X the value of BCE, period. Not interested in debating the values of the individual media components of the whole but rather simply corrected an erroneous claim. Am not seeking to debate anything else, in other words, not interested to engage in semantics.

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The financial aspect notwithstanding, two important analogies can be made with the Moneyball concept:

1) Identifying candidates underutilized by their current employer.
2) Identifying untapped potential to be realized in a new environment.

Obviously, the dollar figures involved may disqualify the Moneyball analogy, but the above two points are valid.

In all honesty, I don't see Jay or Dan leaving TSN unless:

1) Offered a crapload more money that only a fool would turn down.
2) They get their own highlights show in a great timeslot (primetime).
3) Depending on career ambitions, could be a stepping stone to bigger things.

Personalities like Bob Mackenzie and James Duthie basically have comfortable positions they will likely never give up - Bobby Mac has continually reiterated his desire to remain a broadcaster (ruling out NHL GM posts) and not to uproot his family.

As for Marek, I don't think these are the "NHL personalities" he was referring to (Jay and Dan aren't just NHL-specific). I really wonder who it could be...

(*ahem* Milbury, Healy, please *ahem*)

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As I've stated on other boards about this situation, I don't feel Jay and Dan appeal to the mainstream TSN audience, which is probably similar to the ESPN mainstream audience. If FS1 is going to try to beat ESPN by being "not ESPN" then hiring guys like Jay and Dan makes a lot of sense.

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Or Jay and Dan are not who Jeff Marek was talking about. Fox is essentially building a whole new network. They are hiring lots of people.
True! Has Marek made any "told you so" comments yet?

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Absolutely despicable. This sums up everything I hate about America and American hockey.

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What, that we hire experienced sports casters?

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What, that we hire experienced sports casters?
That you poached talent. It's low and immoral.

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That you poached talent. It's low and immoral.


It's called business. You're on the business board, you know?

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That you poached talent. It's low and immoral.
You are an isolationist right?

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Why isn't it their fault for accepting the offer?

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I wouldn't go that far.

Poor business practices that are popular don't mean they're right.

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That you poached talent. It's low and immoral.
You seriously think it's low and immoral to offer someone better pay to come to your company?

It's very highly likely you will accept an offer like this at some point in your life.

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I wouldn't go that far.

Poor business practices that are popular don't mean they're right.
How is offering somebody a better job poor business practice? You don't make any sense...

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You seriously think it's low and immoral to offer someone better pay to come to your company?

It's very highly likely you will accept an offer like this at some point in your life.
In this context, it sure is. And I've made a point of not jumping ship for salary. It wasn't that long ago that loyalty to a company was highly regarded.

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05-04-2013, 10:37 PM
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In this context, it sure is. And I've made a point of not jumping ship for salary. It wasn't that long ago that loyalty to a company was highly regarded.
Let us know how the loyalty thing is working out once your company gives you the boot a month before your pension kicks in so they won't have to pay it. Happened to my dad and many of his friends.

Loyalty is great if you're reasonably assured of your loyalty being returned. That isn't going to happen in today's business world.

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Canadian companies do this all the time. TSN, CBC and Sportsnet "poached" talent from The Score. TSN and Sportsnet also "stole" the rights for sporting events from CBC and The Score by paying more than they could afford. Are you upset about that?

Maybe Jay and Dan were looking for a new challenge. TSN towers over Sportsnet in the ratings. Plus the warm weather, more exposure and like I said they put in some time and who knows what happens.

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Canadian companies do this all the time. TSN, CBC and Sportsnet "poached" talent from The Score. TSN and Sportsnet also "stole" the rights for sporting events from CBC and The Score by paying more than they could afford. Are you upset about that?

Maybe Jay and Dan were looking for a new challenge. TSN towers over Sportsnet in the ratings. Plus the warm weather, more exposure and like I said they put in some time and who knows what happens.
I for sure am. I posted on here about TSN poaching the CBC theme song, for example.

American media poaches Canadian talent. TSN poaches CBC talent.

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how horrible of TSN to poach Dan O'Toole from CTV Edmonton!

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I for sure am. I posted on here about TSN poaching the CBC theme song, for example.

American media poaches Canadian talent. TSN poaches CBC talent.
My understanding is that Jay and Dan's contracts at TSN were up. So they had a choice of where they go.

And it was a similar matter with the HNIC Canada theme song. The rights were up for renewal and TSN's parent company made an offer.

Do you object to Free Agency in pro sports, too? Because to me, it's exactly the same thing.

The reserve clause in pro sports was gotten rid of a long time ago. You seem to want it to return and be applied to all aspects of life.

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Canadian companies do this all the time. TSN, CBC and Sportsnet "poached" talent from The Score. TSN and Sportsnet also "stole" the rights for sporting events from CBC and The Score by paying more than they could afford. Are you upset about that?

Maybe Jay and Dan were looking for a new challenge. TSN towers over Sportsnet in the ratings. Plus the warm weather, more exposure and like I said they put in some time and who knows what happens.
Sportspage supplied some good talent for being a half-hour show.

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how horrible of TSN to poach Dan O'Toole from CTV Edmonton!
Lol CTV and TSN are both part of Bell that was not poaching lol

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how horrible of TSN to poach Dan O'Toole from CTV Edmonton!
I would view it more of a promotion. CTV and TSN are owned by the same company.

With that said, Dan O'Toole and Jan Onrait may be funny from time to time, but they're not as great as people seem to think they are.

If Fox were to poach Bobby Mac, then you can be outraged.

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