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05-04-2013, 01:29 PM
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I would certainly not laugh if Ott would become Buffalo's captain. He's already got the "A" and was one of the only players, doing anything to win, even when their chances were slim of making the playoffs. Doing anything, including agitating, which is fine by me as long as you don't cheapshot anyone.

This is what I think the captain situations should look like down the road.

2013-2014(if Gionta, Markov and Gorges stay)
C-Gionta
A-Markov
A-Plekanec
A-Gorges
(I'm not a fan of taking away "leader rights" to players remaining with the club)

2014-2015(Let's say Gionta leaves, and Plekanec gets traded, Markov remains for his last season and Gorges remains)
C-Markov
A-Gorges
A-Prust
A-Subban

2015-2016(Markov retires, (let's say) Gorges gets traded)
C-Subban
A-Prust
A-Gallagher
A-Galchenyuk

Eventually looking something like this:
C-Subban
A-Prust
A-Gallagher
A-Galchenyuk

Future captain considerations: Prust, Gallagher, Galchenyuk, Pacioretty, Tinordi.

I wouldn't mind having Prust as our captain, he has really grown on me and is definitely one of my favorite players on the team, but I would rather let him have the same status as Neil has with Ottawa with the "A" instead of the "C".

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05-04-2013, 01:39 PM
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I love PK but as a captain? I dont think so. Not just yet. He needs a couple more years.

Lets not ignore Plekanec. I think he should be our next captain. A's still go to Markov and Gorges.

If there's an injury, Subban or Prust can wear the A.

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05-04-2013, 01:45 PM
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Markov has already refused to be the captain in 2009.
Agreed with this. I cant back this up but I remember JM saying that Markov refused to be the captain. He hates the media and its kinda obvious too.

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05-04-2013, 01:48 PM
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We need know it's gonna be Georges

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05-04-2013, 01:50 PM
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I heard a couple of people on french and english radio mention it. Michel Bergeron/ Mario Langlois & a couple of guys on tsn690.

What they said is that he shows up for every game...

When Gionta is gone, Pk Subban will get the C
Ironic that the PK chant is starting in the media, because the media was much harder on PK during the holdout than the fans were. Even after he returned, for two to three weeks the Bergerons were critical. They might just be apologizing in their own way by swinging the pendulum too far the other way.

I do think that Subban could wear an 'A' in a couple of years.

Personally, this being the Montreal Canadiens, and not a young franchise with no history, I would prefer the captains and assistants being veterans of at least 4-5 seasons in the league. Crosby could become captain of the Pens where he was young but they did not have many strtong veterans. Here, I don't see Galchenyuk being captain for a long time, no matter how great he is going to be. Hell, Guy Lafleur only had an 'A' for the later part of his career, and never made captain.

Having said that, I think it's good for the captain to be one of the top 6 forwards or top 4 defencemen in terms of ICE TIME (a player could be captain playing on the third line but doing lots of PK or PP time). I can't see a forward being captain and playing 12-13 minutes, or a defenceman playing 15-16 minutes, it makes no sense. Intangible qualities have to at least show up as ice-worthy.

Your captain represents the team to the referees. Guys who fight **too often**, guys who are known to dive, guys who are trash talkers or known agitators, these are not guys who should be captain. No Max Lapierres or Ryan Whites, even if they grow into a player that scores 20-25 points one day or plays 15 minutes, like say Brandon Prust has grown into.

It's also best if the captain is a very consistent player, not a streaky scorer. He has to be the type of player who is still important and respected even if not scoring for a brief spell, rather than being a lightning rod for criticism of the team. A two-way player like Toews is preferable over a streakier guy like Kane, to say nothing of the attitude difference there.

Finally, the captain, and to a lesser extent an assistant, has to be a natural leader. A young, introverted Markov who struggled with English could not have been a captain, no matter if he was our best player.

So, where does that leave us, in say two years?

Possible Captains
Gionta, if re-signed
Gorges
Plekanec

Possible Assistants
Markov, if re-signed
Gorges
Plekanec
Subban
Eller
Pacioretty
Emelin, if re-signed and has learned more English

In 4 years, the following players may also be leadership material (at least 'A'):
Tinordi (maybe even 3 yrs if he excels this year and graduates permanently in Oct)
Galchenyuk
Desharnais, if still around and playing well and will be re-signed

I exclude guys like Prust, Gallagher, White and Dumont because I want them to continue to be somewhat disliked players. If they "matured" too much, their effectiveness might go down. Let a non-captain/assistant be the guy who calls the opposing coach a fat walrus, or who runs his mouth all day, or who smiles at everyone while his ass keeps bumping the goalie and the opponents cross check him repeatedly.

I exclude streaky guys like Bourque or guys with limited ice time like Moen, or limited shelf-life here like Halpern, Armstrong, Ryder, Bouillon or even Diaz (who we will likely lose to free agency and big bucks for his offence elsewhere that we won't want to match because we will have more complete guys on D to keep around).

I also excluded guys unlikely to have more than 3 full seasons here by then, like Beaulieu, Ellis, Dietz, Pateryn or Bournival or even Leblanc.

Feel free to discuss the various criteria I raised!

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05-04-2013, 02:13 PM
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Right now I think it's between Gorges and Prust.
Don't judge based on talent.
Yes and no. I don't want Gorges or Prust captain, although both make fantastic "A"'s.

Being captain doesn't mean being the best player, but in my opinion it means being a well above average player. You want the guy with the "C" to be out on the ice as much as possible, and someone who is part of the team's core.

Gorges and Prust are utility players. Good utility players less, but not even close to guys you want out there on the ice in crunch time. Prust has easily become one of my favourites, I think that's the case for everyone, but he's still a third liner at best. He also is a guy, who by the nature of his role, spends a lot of time in the penalty box. Not really something you want from a captain. And I've already explained what I think of Gorges. You don't need to be elite or flashy to be a captain, but you do need to be more than middling IMO.

We have people complaining that Gionta isn't a good enough hockey player to be captain after all.

Subban already makes whoever else is on the ice with him better, so it's not that crazy to think of him as the future captain.

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Lets not ignore Plekanec. I think he should be our next captain. A's still go to Markov and Gorges.
I'm not even sure Plekanec would want to be captain. He should be a candidate, and should already have the "A" considering how much work he has done in helping improve the two way games of other forwards on the team, but he's probably too aloof for the C.

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Prust won it this week. He a warrior poet.


I don't know but that got a chuckle out of me.

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smh at guys wanting Plekanec to be captain lol

and at guys talking about Tinordi lol

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We have alot of captain material IMO.
Gally, Chucky?, P.K., Patches, Eller are all leaders on and off the ice IMO, we will see who gets it in the future.

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05-04-2013, 03:47 PM
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Prust won it this week. He a warrior poet.
Brandon Proust!

Look for his novels, all good stuff:

'In search of lost Time on Ice'
'Within a budding rookie'
etc.

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Actually, I rescind my vote.

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Pleks is the Rodney Dangerfield of Habs land, man should totally be captaining instead of Gionta.

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Got to consider Galchenyuk. Could become the team's offensive superstar. Was a captain before...

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This is probably a good argument for why you don't pick your captain based entirely on toughness, hard work and how loud they speak.

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All I'm saying is, a captain can't be a finess player, he HAS to get physical AT TIMES when needed. Look at our good ol' Canadian captains for example. To be honest, my favorite captains are Toews, Thornton, (ex) Iginla and Doan. Guys who do so much for the communities, guys who are superstars, or were at their peak, but most importantly, to me anyways, guys who can protect their young players. Who are not scared of stepping up, who will go through a brick wall to help their team win, but also, theses are guys who are mature and rarely show-boat. If Subban can one day become one of thoses guys, which IMO he is already a superstar and does good for the community, if he can become a mature, talented player. Who will not be cocky towards his team-mates or even his opponents. He will become no-doubt an ideal captain. Obviously there isn't too many ideal captains, I'm pretty sure Ovechkin would be captain on any team, and he isn't necessarily a leader by any means, atleast not until recently.

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Wise choice.

It is not the time to pick a captain. We still have Gionta and he is not the ideal montreal canadiens captain but he is fine for now. It's one of those things where you gotta cross that bridge when you get there.

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Sure looked good back then. Sure would look good now.

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Sure looked good back then. Sure would look good now.

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This picture is so amazing. Ahh kids...

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Agreed with this. I cant back this up but I remember JM saying that Markov refused to be the captain. He hates the media and its kinda obvious too.
This is accurate. Markov didn't feel he was suited for that role, especially in Montreal.

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I'd be ecstatic! He's a perfect teammate and a great competitor.

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Never was a fan of a grinder as Captain. So no Prust for me.

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I'd be ecstatic! He's a perfect teammate and a great competitor.
how do you know that ?

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No chance.

Plekanec hate him.
Markov hate him.

Those are key players that would be pissed off.
If your post doesn't make you look like a fool, your name sure does.

"Expert"

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how do you know that ?
I don't know? Watch him on 24ch? It might be shrouded by all the editing but he seems to love his teammates and his teammates seem to love him.

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