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04-28-2013, 05:54 PM
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Streit would be ok, I am personally a fan, but he is obviously not a long-term solution. Maybe enough to get Gostisbehere here.
That's the idea.

Ghost, Gus, and eventually whatever defenseman (hopefully) we get out of the 1st round...

Ristolainen - Coburn
Gostisbehere - Schenn
Gustafsson - Grossmann

3-4 years from now that's looking pretty good, but then we need to start looking to replace Grossmann and likely replace or demote Coburn.

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04-28-2013, 05:58 PM
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I wouldn't mind Streit but it depends on the terms though. I really wouldn't be comfortable going over 2 years with him.

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04-29-2013, 09:41 AM
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That's the idea.

Ghost, Gus, and eventually whatever defenseman (hopefully) we get out of the 1st round...

Ristolainen - Coburn
Gostisbehere - Schenn
Gustafsson - Grossmann

3-4 years from now that's looking pretty good, but then we need to start looking to replace Grossmann and likely replace or demote Coburn.
Good post. The Flyers have to play for next year but the long term can't be ignored. If this were to be the defense in three years, Flyer fans should be contented.

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04-29-2013, 09:47 AM
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I wouldn't mind Streit but it depends on the terms though. I really wouldn't be comfortable going over 2 years with him.
He wants three years. 5.5 million was rumored. I wouldn't mind him at 3 years, but much prefer him at 2. If he starts a bidding war for his services and a team offers 4, I would back out. I still really don't mind three because he started the NHL a little older than the usual but did play in Swiss league for a while before coming over. He started the rigors of the NHL at 27, so he may have some quality years ahead even at the age of 36-37-38. If we do attempt to sign him, it would almost guarantee though one of Coburn or Mez is gone.

Also I want to say predicting the Flyers lineup 3-4 years down the road is absolutely pointless. There is no way they don't make big trades or sign UFA's to improve their team. We always have and always will.

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04-29-2013, 10:41 AM
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Also I want to say predicting the Flyers lineup 3-4 years down the road is absolutely pointless. There is no way they don't make big trades or sign UFA's to improve their team. We always have and always will.
Pretty accurate. You can imagine 3-4 years down the line, but the lineup will be different.

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05-02-2013, 02:20 PM
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Meltzer: 2013 Off-season: Upgrading Top D Pairing Is Easier Said Than Done

Nice cogent write up by Bill as always..I doubt Bryz was including Bill in his criticism of what reporters should or shouldn't do.

Anyway, I mentioned in one of my earlier posts in a thread my concern that Holmgren would pull another pipe dream attempt like he did with Parise and Suter by trying to poach Pietrangelo...looks like Bill has the same concern.

Also, looks like Flyers options to upgrade the D through free agency are pretty lame as Bill notes.

Options through a trade seem limited too....good points on big Buff and Yandle.

In short, looks like it's going to be a slow process or Holmgren can panic with the D like he did with the goalie and make some ill-advised moves.

Given all this it seems that barring some exceptional season from our current crop of D men (vets & prospects/callups) we are really going to need exceptional goaltending to erase mistakes and the team will really have to focus on the "extra layer" of defense that Lavi tried to institute and which according to Hartnell they just weren't used to and inhibited their offense out of the zone.

Holmgren has got a big conundrum to work out with personnel to support Lavi and Bryz who he is doubling down on.....

Good luck Homer.....you, Lavi and Bryz got a lot riding on this D upgrade riddle

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The more I look at the NHL's likely off-season marketplace, the more firmly I believe that it going to be exceptionally difficult for this team to immediately satisfy the need to upgrade the top defense pairing and come up with an immediate succession plan for Kimmo Timonen as the team's most pivotal blueliner.

There is not a single top-pairing upgrade candidate out there on the unrestricted free agent (UFA) market this summer. Teams leaguewide have taken to locking up their top potential UFA candidates before they ever hit the open market. Most of the notables out there are over age 35 (Sergei Gonchar, Mark Streit, and several others), do not suit the team's primary need (puck-moving, two-way D) or have reputations for inconsistency.

If the Flyers go the UFA defenseman route this summer, they will be looking more at middle tier second-pairing candidates or specialists. There are players who could offer varying degrees of help in addressing team needs but none who will individually be major impact players likely to positively stand out even when the team as a whole isn't playing well.

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05-02-2013, 02:36 PM
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Given all this it seems that barring some exceptional season from our current crop of D men (vets & prospects/callups) we are really going to need exceptional goaltending to erase mistakes and the team will really have to focus on the "extra layer" of defense that Lavi tried to institute and which according to Hartnell they just weren't used to and inhibited their offense out of the zone.
We have a strong defense already established for next season.

Timonen - Schenn
Gustafsson - Coburn
(Meszaros) - Grossmann

We don't need an exceptional goaltender. Just one who doesn't suck.

Bryzgalov playing at Michael Leighton levels is NOT a legitimate option since we don't have Pronger - Carle, Timonen - Coburn anymore.

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05-02-2013, 02:57 PM
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We have a strong defense already established for next season.

Timonen - Schenn
Gustafsson - Coburn
(Meszaros) - Grossmann

We don't need an exceptional goaltender. Just one who doesn't suck.

Bryzgalov playing at Michael Leighton levels is NOT a legitimate option since we don't have Pronger - Carle, Timonen - Coburn anymore.
On paper maybe...

Grossmann and Mesz are really injury concerns.....

Coburn needs to step it up and it is uncertain that he can

Timonen can only last so long...usually he's hurting by the second half

Gus still is unproven but showed good strides

Schenn has definitely taken the next step..

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05-02-2013, 03:06 PM
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On paper maybe...

Grossmann and Mesz are really injury concerns.....

Coburn needs to step it up and it is uncertain that he can

Timonen can only last so long...usually he's hurting by the second half

Gus still is unproven but showed good strides

Schenn has definitely taken the next step..
I agree with everything, especially the bold in an Olympic year.

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http://mobile.philly.com/sports/flye...viewAll=y#more

Snieder basically says that if we need the money for something we will prob buy out bryz but that obviously is not garunteed. Also good to hear him personally give Gus praise.

Any chance we sign streit for a 1-2 year deal or do we think he goes for minimum 3? If we could sign him for bryzs cash for a year I would. Anymore not sure it's worth it with a better potential UFA group next offseason (not hard to do)

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Timmy wrote an article about Clarkson being a potential replacement for Fedotenko


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Timmy wrote an article about Clarkson being a potential replacement for Fedotenko

I like Clarkson. But he isnt what we need.

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05-05-2013, 12:03 PM
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Nice cogent write up by Bill as always..I doubt Bryz was including Bill in his criticism of what reporters should or shouldn't do.
Bill is my idol in this field. I think I know a ton of hockey, but Bill has forgotten more than most of us know (minus perhaps MSE and BCF16).

I'm certain Bryz wasn't referring to Bill.

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It seems like Clarkson is going to get a lot more than he's worth. I don't think the Flyers will give him serious consideration. Timmy is an idiot.

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It seems like Clarkson is going to get a lot more than he's worth. I don't think the Flyers will give him serious consideration. Timmy is an idiot.
he probably will get overpaid. But so will Clowe.

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05-05-2013, 12:46 PM
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Timmy wrote an article about Clarkson being a potential replacement for Fedotenko

I wish he would stop writing.

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That's the idea.

Ghost, Gus, and eventually whatever defenseman (hopefully) we get out of the 1st round...

Ristolainen - Coburn
Gostisbehere - Schenn
Gustafsson - Grossmann

3-4 years from now that's looking pretty good, but then we need to start looking to replace Grossmann and likely replace or demote Coburn.
swap Ghost and Gus

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I liked Meltzer's article about signing Dainus Zubrus.

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Please no Zubrus and god no to Clarkson

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Please no Zubrus and god no to Clarkson


Why no Zubrus? Its for size and two-way play.

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Why no Zubrus? Its for size and two-way play.
I always liked Zubrus, but it depends on what his cap hit will be. Bickell is a cheaper, younger option as well.

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That's the idea.

Ghost, Gus, and eventually whatever defenseman (hopefully) we get out of the 1st round...

Ristolainen - Coburn
Gostisbehere - Schenn
Gustafsson - Grossmann

3-4 years from now that's looking pretty good, but then we need to start looking to replace Grossmann and likely replace or demote Coburn.
To me that defense looks terrible. Terrible. So much unproven potential in that lineup.

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05-05-2013, 08:47 PM
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Off topic somewhat. But whatever happened to lalibert?

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To me that defense looks terrible. Terrible. So much unproven potential in that lineup.
I think he is assuming that in due time they arent unproven. I do agree though thats alot of assuming and no #1 (from what it looks like right now)

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Off topic somewhat. But whatever happened to lalibert?
amounting to nothing in the minors

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