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05-05-2013, 01:08 PM
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The end result is affecting your view of the game.
If Nash's shot is 1 inch to the inside, we'd all be talking about Hank's performance and Nash's clutch.
That and while the Rangers got more shots in Game 1 they are irrelevant considering they were poor quality. Take away the shots on goal and the final score for both games and just look at individual performances and the Rangers as a team played better in the 2nd game. "You can't look at things like that!" really? So why are we discussing things at all, the team lost therefore none of this really matters, but if you want to use the most basic of arguments to prove your point then we really have nothing to talk about.

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05-05-2013, 01:11 PM
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The end result is affecting your view of the game.
If Nash's shot is 1 inch to the inside, we'd all be talking about Hank's performance and Nash's clutch.
Not me, even if the shot went in, they still played horribly. That type of playing style is very unsustainable to winning. It's like Homer Simpson boxing where he constantly got mauled over and still miraculously won, over and over.....

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05-05-2013, 01:30 PM
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Not me, even if the shot went in, they still played horribly. That type of playing style is very unsustainable to winning. It's like Homer Simpson boxing where he constantly got mauled over and still miraculously won, over and over.....
Which isn't much different to how they played game 1 except in that game they got beat on way harder.

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05-05-2013, 01:52 PM
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Which isn't much different to how they played game 1 except in that game they got beat on way harder.
Agree to disagree. Game 1 was dominated in possession time by the Rangers.

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05-05-2013, 02:03 PM
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I'd agree with you except for the fact if they get untracked offensively they are capable of going in 3 or 4 game winning streak.
This is still a winnable series. if they lose 1 at home however ...
The series is winnable???

I don't belive this place.

It better be winnable. We have rebuilt for ten years. We have one of the most valuble players in the league in Hank. We have Nash. We have a bunch of home grown chaper players that gives us depth in a cap world. We are playing the Caps, hardly a power house in this league.

We could potentially win? It's nothing but a fiasco if we don't win.

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05-05-2013, 02:04 PM
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Agree to disagree. Game 1 was dominated in possession time by the Rangers.
Which further proves your advanced stats to be nothing more than an unreliable benchmark.

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05-05-2013, 02:18 PM
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We have the worst transition game in the league and don't utilize the middle of the ice when we have openings, the coaching staff is content to be in 0-0 games and play conservative but the defense isn't where it needs to be to be playing that way.

Seems like there is no cohesion with each other, you have Nash who tries to do too much and everyone passes him the puck and stops moving their legs. Why not use Nash as a decoy?

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05-05-2013, 02:28 PM
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I think the defense-first, last, and only strategy has run well beyond it's course. We built a team around a goalie who has yet to prove he is as good in the playoffs as in the regular season - except for last year.
I blast Richards and the offense which has consistently been terrible all year let alone in this game and guys like jonathan bust my damn balls and tell me I'm clueless and a terrible fan. This guy craps on Hank after a shutout he better be getting eviscerated by people.

I read through and of course he wasn't. Nothing I can say without getting banned from these forums will be enough anyway so I'll settle for punching through my computer. I get ripped a new one for criticizing Richards and THIS comment under these circumstances is mostly ignored. HF boards owes me a new monitor.


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05-05-2013, 02:33 PM
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This.

I must've watched a completely different hockey game.

They played WELL in game 1 and like crap in game 2.

GAME 1: http://timeonice.com/shots1213.php?gamenumber=30131
GAME 2: http://timeonice.com/shots1213.php?gamenumber=30132
I wouldn't took much stock in those numbers, they also suggest that the Penguins played like crap in their 5-0 win over the Isles

http://timeonice.com/shots1213.php?gamenumber=30111

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The end result is affecting your view of the game.
If Nash's shot is 1 inch to the inside, we'd all be talking about Hank's performance and Nash's clutch.
We've won MANY games where the team looked horrible and people would note it. This would have been one of those times. I've seen post games where we won where the title would say something like "LOL we won." and the first few pages were how lucky we were that Hank bailed us out. We don't control play, we don't score with any regularity, we don't physically abuse teams. We do nothing except hang on that's what this years team is it's a hang on for dear life team.

Also of course the end result has to affect your view the end result is kind of important...


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We have the worst transition game in the league and don't utilize the middle of the ice when we have openings, the coaching staff is content to be in 0-0 games and play conservative but the defense isn't where it needs to be to be playing that way.

Seems like there is no cohesion with each other, you have Nash who tries to do too much and everyone passes him the puck and stops moving their legs. Why not use Nash as a decoy?
That is the root of almost all of our problems. A normal rink has three zones, rinks we play in have two, offensive and defensive. Need to learn how to use the neutral zone to start our attack.


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05-05-2013, 02:44 PM
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Agree to disagree. Game 1 was dominated in possession time by the Rangers.
I agree in game 1 we were competitive but we have zero offensive finish. Honestly Hank let us down that game ALONG with all the forwards. It should have been a 1-0 win if it wasn't for some bad goals Hank let in. That said Lundqvist has more than EARNED a bad game. If I remember right he was very very good in the first period of game 1 anyway. After getting obliterated in the first we went on something like a 12-5 shots run though so there were moments in game 1 we looked like we belonged. Game 2 we just SUCKED

In the end he still only gave up 3 goals which is average. If he wasn't so damn good in the 1st period we'd have lost 6-1 or 5-1. Of course this teams O didn't show up though

Just a disconnected side rant: It's just truly disappointing that so many NY fans are stuck watching such garbage year in and year out while all our rivals CONSTANTLY stand at the top of the mountain. NY has to watch NJ, Pitt, the Islanders all had massive dynasties/times being elite.
The Jets have watched the Patriots annihilate them and win championships and I won't even talk about the Jets own incompetence
The Mets...lol the Mets.
So happy for Giants fans and Yankees fans (Thank god I hate baseball too and I'm not a Mets fan on top of this)

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05-05-2013, 02:47 PM
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The rangers are an assemblage of talent not a team. It's obvious to see when they don't defend each-other and when a kid like kreider is out there on a shift in the playoffs and not hustling. It's makes me sick. Love the team and watch every game I hope for the best but this team isn't all in. Adam graves where are you?

Adam Oates has his team playing hockey and they love him for it. It's not about him it's about players utilized properly and playing for each other. As a hockey fan I say good for them they are fun to watch and are good for the game.

Do we really want lindberg, fasth,miller etc being indoctrinated into this current system? Wtf are we drafting undersized skill for if we are going to play this brand of hockey? Oh well must just be me rant over...

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That is the root of almost all of our problems. A normal rink has three zones, rinks we play in have two, offensive and defensive. Need to learn how to use the neutral zone to start our attack.

This is what I have been saying over and over again. Its why Torts has to be fired. He doesn't understand how to implement a post-05 lockout transition game. The absence of the two line pass has completely gone over his head.

It was one of main reasons he was fired from Tampa Bay. The lack of a transition game bleeds into almost all the other problems with this team.

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05-05-2013, 02:51 PM
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Here's the real question, looking past this abomination of a series, how soon can Tortorella be fired?

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05-05-2013, 02:52 PM
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The rangers are an assemblage of talent not a team. It's obvious to see when they don't defend each-other and when a kid like kreider is out there on a shift in the playoffs and not hustling. It's makes me sick. Love the team and watch every game I hope for the best but this team isn't all in. Adam graves where are you?

Adam Oates has his team playing hockey and they love him for it. It's not about him it's about players utilized properly and playing for each other. As a hockey fan I say good for them they are fun to watch and are good for the game.

Do we really want lindberg, fasth,miller etc being indoctrinated into this current system? Wtf are we drafting undersized skill for if we are going to play this brand of hockey? Oh well must just be me rant over...
Effort, sand paper, jam, unity or whatever word someone wants to apply the rangers need is not the issue.

The problem is that the Rangers need TACTICAL answers and aren't getting them from their coach. I don't think its a lack of effort or work ethic with this team. In fact, if anything, I think they try TOO HARD. They have to work their butts off just to execute simple plays.

Its buffoonery. How can anyone look at our D corps and say "Ya know what those guys don't try hard enough"?

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Here's the real question, looking past this abomination of a series, how soon can Tortorella be fired?
Depends.

Could be over the summer. Could be within 20 games of next season.

I don't think Sather is very happy with Torts atm. I think his patience has run out.

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Effort, sand paper, jam, unity or whatever word someone wants to apply the rangers need is not the issue.

The problem is that the Rangers need TACTICAL answers and aren't getting them from their coach. I don't think its a lack of effort or work ethic with this team. In fact, if anything, I think they try TOO HARD. They have to work their butts off just to execute simple plays.

Its buffoonery. How can anyone look at our D corps and say "Ya know what those guys don't try hard enough"?

well said. improper utilization of players offensively. zero chemistry because of constant tweaking lines. he doesn't trust his players, shortened bench, short leash...

whatever info you might be privy to... i hope you're right

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Agree to disagree. Game 1 was dominated in possession time by the Rangers.
Possession time really doesn't mean much for this play style. It's just constant cycling behind the net with non scoring chances.

Caps are lethal offensively. They don't need possession numbers. They need 1 shot.

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05-05-2013, 03:07 PM
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It's the strategy. Simple as that. We have a coach with a huge ego that is a control freak that doesn't let guys play to their style. Hence why we have to bend over backwards to get 'Torts guys' on the team that can play his style. Hence why Boyle is on the 3rd line instead of Brassard who is the better play maker and offensive threat. This team cannot win with a grind around and take flukey shots philosophy. We can't win having to have Hank carry us every game. We need a coach that will let his players get creative without demoting them to 4th liners because they don't do what he calls for in his 'system'. We need a coach that screams every shift when we don't have a guy sitting in front of the damn net screening the goalie. We need a coach that utilizes the neutral zone and the 2 line pass instead of some dumb dump and chase every offensive possession. We need a coach that instead of cycling, tells his players to throw the puck in front of the net every chance they get.

The Rangers problems are 100% management and coaching. Torts strengths are defense. Our defense is great. But you need to score to win games. His teams have never been high scoring, and unfortunately you need to score in the post lockout NHL. It's less of a goalie/defense league as it was in the late 90's early 2000's.

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Here's the real question, looking past this abomination of a series, how soon can Tortorella be fired?
Making the playoffs was a stay of execution, unfortunately

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How many goals have we seen deflect in off of guys trying to block shots this season? I have no idea why we insist on doing this when we have Hank. Teams know it's coming now too and players just hold the puck for that extra second and let whoever is blocking slide right by.

I don't get the 3 fowards behind the goal line strategy either, how can you score when your guys are behind the net? Go to the front of the net, that place all Rangers skate right past to miss rebounds.

Last thing, I'm ashamed of the NY sports media for not asking Torts any real questions regarding games. If I'm a reporter and I ask a question thats my job, he gives me crap about it I'm giving it right back. Whats he gonna do punch you at the PC? Grow a sack!

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How many goals have we seen deflect in off of guys trying to block shots this season? I have no idea why we insist on doing this when we have Hank. Teams know it's coming now too and players just hold the puck for that extra second and let whoever is blocking slide right by.

I don't get the 3 fowards behind the goal line strategy either, how can you score when your guys are behind the net? Go to the front of the net, that place all Rangers skate right past to miss rebounds.

Last thing, I'm ashamed of the NY sports media for not asking Torts any real questions regarding games. If I'm a reporter and I ask a question thats my job, he gives me crap about it I'm giving it right back. Whats he gonna do punch you at the PC? Grow a sack!
I would LOVE for a reporter just to let him have it one of these days. Really criticize his tactical decisions. Unfortunately, I think most of the beat writers(hell most sport journalists)don't really understand hockey strategically. They just look at stats.

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I would LOVE for a reporter just to let him have it one of these days. Really criticize his tactical decisions. Unfortunately, I think most of the beat writers(hell most sport journalists)don't really understand hockey strategically. They just look at stats.
How hard was it to ask why did you leave McDonagh on the ice for that shift? I saw the PC on NHL Network so that might have been left out but it should have been asked!

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How hard was it to ask why did you leave McDonagh on the ice for that shift? I saw the PC on NHL Network so that might have been left out but it should have been asked!
A reporter did ask that during practice today. Torts response was essentially, "I would do it again."

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