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The Next Cam Neely?? Confirmed!

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Nice! Now just waiting on Price and Tommernes.

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Cool. The kid is showing some promise.

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For some inexplicable reason I confused Grenier with Freisen.

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If Burns can rely on athleticism to convert to a top6 wing at the NHL level, then there has to be hope for Grenier. He can skate well, has the frame to put on size, and is good with the puck. Has to be more left here.

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If Burns can rely on athleticism to convert to a top6 wing at the NHL level, then there has to be hope for Grenier. He can skate well, has the frame to put on size, and is good with the puck. Has to be more left here.
"Hope" is the correct word. You've next got to consider probability.

When Burns was Grenier's age, he was in his sophomore NHL season and getting 25 points as a defenceman. Grenier just played for the Kalamazoo Wings. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Not everybody who's 6'5" is Brent Burns.

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"Hope" is the correct word. You've next got to consider probability.

When Burns was Grenier's age, he was in his sophomore NHL season and getting 25 points as a defenceman. Grenier just played for the Kalamazoo Wings. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Not everybody who's 6'5" is Brent Burns.

Not every 6'5" players combines athleticism and skating like Grenier/Burns do. Even shorter players aren't nearly as coordinated. I think that's why the scouting staff was so high on him.

Grenier has work to do, but the pieces are there. Where with other tall picks, the pieces aren't. The combination available in his skillset is rare IMO. Whether he puts those pieces together to become an everyday NHLer is another question. But then I was more talking about the combination of traits than projection.

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Burns was also drafted as a forward. It's not a transition.

He also made Canada's World junior team as a forward.

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Not every 6'5" players combines athleticism and skating like Grenier/Burns do. Even shorter players aren't nearly as coordinated. I think that's why the scouting staff was so high on him.

Grenier has work to do, but the pieces are there. Where with other tall picks, the pieces aren't. The combination available in his skillset is rare IMO. Whether he puts those pieces together to become an everyday NHLer is another question. But then I was more talking about the combination of traits than projection.
Is Grenier particularly athletic for a 6'5 forward? That's the sense I'm getting from your post. Though his size and skating are good traits to build on for sure.

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Burns was also drafted as a forward. It's not a transition.

He also made Canada's World junior team as a forward.
yeah he's a 1st round pick with tons of skills and good skating. Grenier is not as much.

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doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement of either.
Yeah Grenier is terrible so basically he is saying if it wasn't for Vey we would have to play people who absolutely should not be playing in the NHL. Lol.

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Yeah Grenier is terrible so basically he is saying if it wasn't for Vey we would have to play people who absolutely should not be playing in the NHL. Lol.
I think you would want your GM to be more open minded. Grenier has steadily improved and should be given a chance, he seem to have better tools than Vey.

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Grenier has been excellent lately and seems to have developed some of the consistency many were hoping for. He very much so could be an NHL player.

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Grenier is terrible
Not given how he has played this season. Guy didn't even get to the Q until he turned 19. To expect a career progression like all other picks is pretty unreasonable.

Still a stretch to make an impact in the NHL but should absolutely be given a chance.

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Not given how he has played this season. Guy didn't even get to the Q until he turned 19. To expect a career progression like all other picks is pretty unreasonable.

Still a stretch to make an impact in the NHL but should absolutely be given a chance.
Him and Friesen are two guys I would like to see get a shot. While their numbers at the pro level aren't world beating, they've both shown tremendous improvement over the past three years and have made themselves key players in Utica.

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No, he absolutely does not.
Well considering Vey has borderline physical tools.

Grenier has progressed quite well, seems to be developing into a key player for Utica and if it's true that he only started at 19, seems like his profession is on track. I am always an advocate of giving your prospects a chance before dumping them.

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Physical tools are not very relevant with Grenier at all because he is very soft. He is the softest player I have ever seen at his size, he makes Shawn Matthias look like Milan Lucic.

For all the short comings Vey has as a potential NHL player, Grenier is all that much more. At this point in their development they dont even deserve to be in the same converstaion. Grenier is a very long shot for the NHL.

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Physical tools are not very relevant with Grenier at all because he is very soft. He is the softest player I have ever seen at his size, he makes Shawn Matthias look like Milan Lucic.

For all the short comings Vey has as a potential NHL player, Grenier is all that much more. At this point in their development they dont even deserve to be in the same converstaion. Grenier is a very long shot for the NHL.
Yeah, Grenier's size is basically irrelevant because he's a marshmallow.

He's a 40-point AHL player coming up on age 24, so there is little evidence he can provide any top-6 utility. And his all-around game would seem to preclude any bottom-6 usage.

He's done better than expected but I'd be shocked if he ever stuck here. A cup of coffee in an emergency injury crunch would be about as far as I'd see him going.

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Yeah, Grenier's size is basically irrelevant because he's a marshmallow.
Better this season. He has also really improved on his motor and 200ft game. As I said, he's a stretch but he absolutely worked on his weaknesses over the past season.

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Physical tools are not very relevant with Grenier at all because he is very soft. He is the softest player I have ever seen at his size, he makes Shawn Matthias look like Milan Lucic.
Not the same player he was in Halifax.

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Better this season. He has also really improved on his motor and 200ft game. As I said, he's a stretch but he absolutely worked on his weaknesses over the past season.
Better isn't necessarily 'good' though. He started out as bad as a player could possibly be.

As I said, he's done better than I expected to get to the point where he might be a callup option, which is a credit to that improvement. But I don't see him as being a full-time roster option.

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The sad thing is Grenier is a way better version of Jensen.

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Yeah, Grenier's size is basically irrelevant because he's a marshmallow.

He's a 40-point AHL player coming up on age 24, so there is little evidence he can provide any top-6 utility. And his all-around game would seem to preclude any bottom-6 usage.

He's done better than expected but I'd be shocked if he ever stuck here. A cup of coffee in an emergency injury crunch would be about as far as I'd see him going.
I will admit I am surprised he scored this many points in the AHL. Then again 40 AHL points is not really a ticket to the NHL.

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Better isn't necessarily 'good' though. He started out as bad as a player could possibly be.

As I said, he's done better than I expected to get to the point where he might be a callup option, which is a credit to that improvement. But I don't see him as being a full-time roster option.
The thing you always want to know is how many years of improvement do they have left. Some guys seem to eke out improvements at 30, where other players have stopped improving at 20.

Grenier seems to have more left to give than someone like Jensen. They had no issue giving Jensen a look.

(Just to add, guy had 5 fights this season. I consider fighting a total sideshow but I think it shows a significant change in his mind frame.)


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Yeah, Grenier's size is basically irrelevant because he's a marshmallow.

He's a 40-point AHL player coming up on age 24, so there is little evidence he can provide any top-6 utility. And his all-around game would seem to preclude any bottom-6 usage.

He's done better than expected but I'd be shocked if he ever stuck here. A cup of coffee in an emergency injury crunch would be about as far as I'd see him going.
If Grenier is a marshmallow, I am not sure what Vey is, guy got outmuscled by Schroeder.

Like I said, there is nothing to lose to give him a chance if he has earned it. It never hurts to find out what you have, there are a bunch of good players that are late boomers. I rather that we find out if he can do it than to let him lose and let other teams discover that the guy can be a player.

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