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09-20-2006, 05:27 PM
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It's not an either/or situation...Kopitar won't be playing over Kosto and Sully won't be playing over Cowan.

If Anze and Sully make it, they'll be top-six; Kosto and Cowan will be bottom-six.
Kostopoulos and Cowan won't be playing if O'Sullivan and Kopitar make the team. Look at Venom's lines.

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09-20-2006, 05:34 PM
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Kostopoulos and Cowan won't be playing if O'Sullivan and Kopitar make the team. Look at Venom's lines.
I see what his point was now...however, while that would be a good lineup, I'm not all that sure that it's going to turn out that way. I think it could end up being a case of either/or among the rookies, without shuffling all the vet centres one line down.

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09-20-2006, 05:36 PM
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If Sully and Kopitar earn roster spots, there will be some other forwards placed on waivers before the season starts. That is just the way it goes.

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09-20-2006, 05:55 PM
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I really don't see both O'Sully and Kopitar making it. Especially with the things DL has been saying in the media. I think O'Sullivan and either Parros or Ivanans makes it.

Then it becomes.

O'Sully-Conroy-Cammy
Frolov-Army-Brown
Thornton-McCauley-TK/Parros/Cowan
Avery-Ebel-Willsie

Juggle the lines whatever, but that's my take who makes it. So there really is no room for two rookies unless Cowan and or TK gets dealt. Either way, there is 2-3 extra forwards.

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09-20-2006, 06:10 PM
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I really don't see both O'Sully and Kopitar making it. Especially with the things DL has been saying in the media.
One of those "things" that he's been saying is that "you have to have an open mind." It'll be awfully hard for anyone to close it if Kopitar impresses any more like he has.

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09-20-2006, 06:24 PM
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09/20 -
11 Assigned To Manchester for training camp:

Konstantin Pushkarev C
Matt Ryan C
Tim Jackman RW
John Zeiler RW
Jeff Giuliano LW
Dany Roussin LW
Ned Lukacevic LW
Brendan Buckley D
Peter Harrold D
Joey Mormina D
The Kings have 31 players remaining on their 2006 preseason roster (19 forwards, 9 defensemen and 3 goaltenders).

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09-20-2006, 06:29 PM
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09/20 -
11 Assigned To Manchester for training camp:

Konstantin Pushkarev C
Matt Ryan C
Tim Jackman RW
John Zeiler RW
Jeff Giuliano LW
Dany Roussin LW
Ned Lukacevic LW
Brendan Buckley D
Peter Harrold D
Joey Mormina D
The Kings have 31 players remaining on their 2006 preseason roster (19 forwards, 9 defensemen and 3 goaltenders).
Nice, more cuts today and again, nothing surprising! Moulson, Sully and Kopitar are still here.

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09-20-2006, 06:48 PM
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09/20 -
11 Assigned To Manchester for training camp:

Konstantin Pushkarev C
Matt Ryan C
Tim Jackman RW
John Zeiler RW
Jeff Giuliano LW
Dany Roussin LW
Ned Lukacevic LW
Brendan Buckley D
Peter Harrold D
Joey Mormina D
The Kings have 31 players remaining on their 2006 preseason roster (19 forwards, 9 defensemen and 3 goaltenders).
Hey ILuvLA,

You are about 3hours and 21mins and about 20 posts too late.


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09-20-2006, 06:51 PM
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Was this the same list? I noticed a few, but was Giuliano in that first batch? Don't remember his name in there.

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09-20-2006, 07:05 PM
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One of those "things" that he's been saying is that "you have to have an open mind." It'll be awfully hard for anyone to close it if Kopitar impresses any more like he has.
I really don't see a Dean Lombardi run team going with BOTH a 19 yr old who has never played in North America and a 20 year old who spent the last year in the AHL, plus guys as young as Cammy, D. Brown, and Frolov up front in the top 6. That won't happen. O'Sully makes the Kings and Kopitar is headed for Manchester. If not, Kings better rid themselves of either TK, Cowan, or Parros right quick and hope that the remaining two don't mind sitting in the box all year, b/c Kopitar needs big minutes to play in LA. That's why I think they keep him down, they won't relegate him to 3rd or 4th line status at 19.

As much as I love Kopitar, he needs to dominate the AHL and get used that type of play. O'Sullivan has nothing to prove in the minors and he can play the LW. Kings already have Conroy, Army, Ebel, and McCauley at center. Where does Kopitar fit in?

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09-20-2006, 07:06 PM
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Hey ILuvLA,

You are about 3hours and 21mins and about 20 posts too late.

ah, it's been a long day - feel free to delete my ineptitude. Sorry.

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09-20-2006, 07:46 PM
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I really don't see a Dean Lombardi run team going with BOTH a 19 yr old who has never played in North America and a 20 year old who spent the last year in the AHL...
What's the alternative? That's the problem. Is it really more of a "DL-run team" to have Cowan and Kostopoulos in the lineup, instead?

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09-20-2006, 07:49 PM
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ah, it's been a long day - feel free to delete my ineptitude. Sorry.
He may be a mod, but he's not that powerful

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What's the alternative? That's the problem. Is it really more of a "DL-run team" to have Cowan and Kostopoulos in the lineup, instead?

Go look at the San Jose Sharkes lineup when DL was there. It was veterans mixed in with young stud rookies, and some of the rookies spent 1-2 years in the AHL.

Having a top 6 of Conroy and then 5 guys under 23 is really not how I think DL wants the Kings to be. And if O'Sully or Kopitar can't get a top 6 role, they might as well be in the minors. This is the reason why they have talked highly of Thornton, McCauley, and Armstrong stepping in the top 6 to join the likes of Brown, Cammy, and Conroy.

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The remaining skaters in camp:

19 Forwards;
Cammalleri
Frolov
Conroy
Brown
Kopitar
O'Sullivan
Willsie
McCauley
Belanger
Avery
Armstrong
Thornton
Kostopoulos
Parros
Cowan
Moulson
Clarke
Tukonen
Ivanans

9 Defensemen;
Blake
Visnovsky
Norstrom
Gleason
Sopel
Miller
Dallman
Weaver
Petiot

Goalies;
Cloutier
Garon
LaBarbera

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09-20-2006, 08:16 PM
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This may just be semantics, but since we assigned Doug Nolan and Bryan Schmidt to Manchester and returned Frazer McLaren to Portland instead of releasing them, does this mean they are now Kings property? You would think they would have cut them outright if they had no intentions of keeping them.

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This may just be semantics, but since we assigned Doug Nolan and Bryan Schmidt to Manchester and returned Frazer McLaren to Portland instead of releasing them, does this mean they are now Kings property? You would think they would have cut them outright if they had no intentions of keeping them.
I'm stoked if Mclaren is Kings property, we have no potential enforcers in our system when Neilson signed a try out with Montreal.

Nolan signed with Manchester.

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09-20-2006, 08:28 PM
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This may just be semantics, but since we assigned Doug Nolan and Bryan Schmidt to Manchester and returned Frazer McLaren to Portland instead of releasing them, does this mean they are now Kings property? You would think they would have cut them outright if they had no intentions of keeping them.
Yes and no. They would only be Kings property if the Kings signed them to something other than a tryout contract. By sending them to Manchester, they are sending them to the AHL camp also on the tryout contract. If they stick with Manchester, they will sign a contract with Manchester and the Kings have first crack at them if they need to call any of them up during the season. If they do not stick with Manchester, their tryout contract expires and they are UFAs.

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09-20-2006, 08:39 PM
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Remember, we're talking about the Kings. Someone is going to go down before too long, and then Kopitar and O'Sullivan will be on the team. Unless, of course, one of them is the player that goes down.

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Nolan (given his history with the Monarchs) and Schmidt (given his 15 games with Providence last season) will almost certainly be offered deals (two way?) with Manchester. McLaren is unsigned at this point in time, and will go back to juniors knowing he impressed the Kings brass.

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09-20-2006, 08:44 PM
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Go look at the San Jose Sharkes lineup when DL was there. It was veterans mixed in with young stud rookies, and some of the rookies spent 1-2 years in the AHL.
And if you take O'Sullivan and Kopitar off of the roster, what are you left with: only the veterans and no rookies.
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This is the reason why they have talked highly of Thornton, McCauley, and Armstrong stepping in the top 6 to join the likes of Brown, Cammy, and Conroy.
First, they've said nothing about them playing in the top-6, just stepping up and being relied on. Second, I think that not mentioning the rookies has more to do with not wanting to put expectations on the them.

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09-20-2006, 09:08 PM
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I'm stoked if Mclaren is Kings property, we have no potential enforcers in our system when Neilson signed a try out with Montreal.

Nolan signed with Manchester.
I don't believe that McLaren can be signed yet without being drafted, as he's an '87 born and he's not in his overage season just yet.

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09-20-2006, 09:47 PM
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I see what his point was now...however, while that would be a good lineup, I'm not all that sure that it's going to turn out that way. I think it could end up being a case of either/or among the rookies, without shuffling all the vet centres one line down.
Yes, I agree that is most likely will not happen. But that doesn't stop me from thinking that it would be the best lineup. Let's face it, we are not coming close to a Cup this season anyway...

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I don't believe that McLaren can be signed yet without being drafted, as he's an '87 born and he's not in his overage season just yet.

We had a guy last year (Brett Festerling 86') undrafted but signed with the Ducks last year at the end of the ducks camp.

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