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It's Re-Tooling Time

View Poll Results: Well?
Go full rebuild, trading away practically everyone and starting fresh 51 16.89%
Retool, trading away some core players and some management changes 223 73.84%
Stand pat and hope for the best 13 4.30%
Cut off any dead weight and go all in for next year or the following year by selling off futures 15 4.97%
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05-05-2013, 09:55 PM
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It's Re-Tooling Time

Okay guys. I've been a die hard Canucks fan since I was a kid.

The state of this team right now is simply disappointing.
The core is getting old.
Kesler is one of the few forwards who are playing with grit and heart.
Speaking of grit - there is essentially none
Skill - Has been there but teams know what to expect now. They have become too one dimensional and predictable. - time for all new coaching staff?

Now... They aren't playing terrible. but nobody aside from Kesler is stepping up to make a big play. Everything is just so stagnant.


After they lose this series, another year is wasted. Our "window to the cup" is closed.

Our prospect pool is in the bottom 5 in the league.


So, where do they start? Clean house? new coaching, new look (more grit with a run and gun style)?


As a fan, I rather see the team accept the fact that this isn't working and get value for the many quality pieces we have right now and build towards the future. What would you guys start with?

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05-05-2013, 09:58 PM
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Trade Edler for a young RH D or young forward before his NTC kicks in. He's the only "big piece" the Canucks can really consider moving. The Sedins and Kesler are untouchable and the rest of the valuable D already have NTCs.

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Here's what I would do.

1) Fire AV/entire coaching staff and clean house. Nobody is safe.
2) Offer Edler and our first to Tampa Bay for the 3rd overall pick.
3) Draft one of MacKinnon/Drouin as a legitimate star prospect to build around.
4) See if Bieksa/Burrows will waive their NTC and shop them around for young players/picks.
5) Trade Schneider for proven young talent and let Luongo play until Lack is ready to come up on an ELC.
6) Trade the Sedins at the deadline next year to maximize the return if the team sucks next year.

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05-05-2013, 10:09 PM
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Here's what I would do.

1) Fire AV/entire coaching staff and clean house. Nobody is safe.
2) Offer Edler and our first to Tampa Bay for the 3rd overall pick.
3) Draft one of MacKinnon/Drouin as a legitimate star prospect to build around.
4) See if Bieksa/Burrows will waive their NTC and shop them around for young players/picks.
5) Trade Schneider for proven young talent and let Luongo play until Lack is ready to come up on an ELC.
6) Trade the Sedins at the deadline next year to maximize the return if the team sucks next year.
This isn't NHL 13... what you are proposing is simply bad asset management, hopefully no Canucks GM is ever stupid enough to execute some of the suggestions you have made.

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05-05-2013, 10:18 PM
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Trade Edler for a young RH D or young forward before his NTC kicks in. He's the only "big piece" the Canucks can really consider moving. The Sedins and Kesler are untouchable and the rest of the valuable D already have NTCs.
The Sedins shouldn't be untouchable. They're a major part of the problem.

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Watch the game! There will be 5 months with nothing better to do than play GM...and you want to do it during game 3 of a playoff series?


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If they get swept or lose in 5 I think big changes are needed. Very big changes.

Ehrhoff non-re-signing + Ballard trade + letting Torres go have been critical errors IMO.

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05-05-2013, 10:23 PM
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Would Vancouver be inclined to take a step back short term (year or two) to take massive leaps forward (long term)? If they are then the Sedins have to be moved and a new identity and core has to be put in place.

Out:

Sedins
One of Luongo/Schneider
One of Bieksa/Edler
Spare parts (Booth, Raymond, Ballard, etc)

Rebuild with a nucleus of: Kesler, Hamuis, Garrison, Tanev, Schroeder, Kassian, goalie you kept, Jensen, Gaunce, plus new young assets from moving Sedins, Edler/Bieksa, goalie and spare parts trade.

Sounds overly drastic I know but eventually you have to look at the big picture and see if it works out or not. Take the opportunity to restock the cupboard with draft picks, prospects and rebuild the prospect system. More importantly establish the identity of the team going forward.

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Time to blow it up or become Calgary. This team is clearly not a contender anymore and won't be for a long time.

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The coaching is the biggest issue for me right now.

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The coaching is the biggest issue for me right now.
Coaching is a huge issue, hate this checking line BS from last year.

Very displeased with Hodgson trade and the Ballard trade (this one has been a MASSIVE detriment to our team). Letting Erhoff and Torres get away were blunders. Even Samuelsson was more useful than Booth.

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Time to blow it up or become Calgary. This team is clearly not a contender anymore and won't be for a long time.
We have some good young players in the pipeline: Gaunce, Corrado, Tanev. I don't think blowing this team up would serve any purpose.

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Coaching is a huge issue, hate this checking line BS from last year.

Very displeased with Hodgson trade and the Ballard trade (this one has been a MASSIVE detriment to our team). Letting Erhoff and Torres get away were blunders. Even Samuelsson was more useful than Booth.
Hodgson trade was understandable given how much of a headache he apparently was, albeit definitely onesided. Ehrhoff makes too much money.

Cant argue about Ballard though.

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Edler needs to go. Luongo too. Sedins ideally would be gone but that will not happen.

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Hodgson trade was understandable given how much of a headache he apparently was, albeit definitely onesided. Ehrhoff makes too much money.

Cant argue about Ballard though.
Would've happily given Ehrhoff what that 5yr 5M deal he apparently wanted and then ditched Ballard and his 4.2 over the next 4 years.

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Edler needs to go. Luongo too. Sedins ideally would be gone but that will not happen.
Think of the ridiculous return we'd get for them at the deadline?

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1) Get rid of Bieksa
Corrado and Tanev are already better defensively than he is. Won't happen though because of the NTC. Should be on the 3rd pairing next season with Tanev in the top 4. Corrado is the first call-up.
2) Proper 3rd line center
Need a center who can play a shutdown role.
3) No more Raymond
Mr. useless in the playoffs. Need to replace him with a scoring winger.

AKA too many holes to fill, this team's cup window is pretty much closed for the foreseeable future.

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The coaching is the biggest issue for me right now.
I honestly think all of the problems stem from the coaching staff and Gillis making moves believing in what the coaching staff says.

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If I were GM

Raymond = gone
Edler = gone
Bieksa = gone
Twins = gone
Luongo =gone

The guys coming back would be Canadian, big, mean and young.

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that's our savior folks...

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well its time.... lets go LIONS!! lets go for a grey cup run.

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Yup Goodbye AV. Blow this ***** up.

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Re-tooling is an understatement...

We need to change some core peices, including the sedins IMO

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Here's what I would do.

2) Offer Edler and our first to Tampa Bay for the 3rd overall pick.
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lol wut. nobody in the right mind would trade Drouin/Mac for Edler and a mid-late 1st.

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Watch the game! There will be 5 months with nothing better to do than play GM...and you want to do it during game 3 of a playoff series?
well.. looks like I proved my point.

The blaming part is easy:

-should have kept Ehrhoff
-should have kept Torres
-Should have got a better return for Hodgson
-coaching decisions are highly questionable -ANDREW EBBET!?? PLUG
-Goaltending situation was handled embarrassingly.
-The ballard situation


Now that I'm listing these points, both the coaching staff and Gillis should be replaced. While making decent band-aid moves with Booth (at the time), Roy, Garrisson etc. they have made plenty of awful trades and contracts. Clean house top to bottom.

They can follow the route of the Sens or the Flames.. I rather go the Sens route ASAP

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