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05-01-2013, 04:42 PM
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I don't get why we have an issue playing 1 rookie on this team in the playoffs.

When we won the cup in 90-91, we had Jagr as a rookie. Anyone remember that goal he scored against Chicago in the finals?

In 91-92, we had McEachern as a rookie. He played 19 games in the playoffs that year and had 9 points.

In 08-09, we had Letang with 1 year of experience playing defense. Even though he wasn't a rookie, his position at age 21 or 22 is a critical one.

I don't get why some people get their panties ruffled about Bennett playing. The Blackhawks had no problem playing Saad last night for 21 minutes.

As others have said, you have to play sometime. Beau has showed a ton of composure. I'm sure he can handle 10 minutes of 4th line duty and more if someone gets injured in a game.
The bolded is the first name I thought of whenever I see Bennett being sat in favor of lesser talented veterans. Like Saad, Bennett has proven he can not only provide offensive creativity to the lineup, but he can also be relied on defensively and in board battles.

The only time rookie scorers get sat in favor of veterans is if the rookie still is a liability defensively or he's super soft and needs a lot more muscle. Neither are an issue with Bennett.

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05-01-2013, 05:15 PM
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I don't get why we have an issue playing 1 rookie on this team in the playoffs.

When we won the cup in 90-91, we had Jagr as a rookie. Anyone remember that goal he scored against Chicago in the finals?

In 91-92, we had McEachern as a rookie. He played 19 games in the playoffs that year and had 9 points.

In 08-09, we had Letang with 1 year of experience playing defense. Even though he wasn't a rookie, his position at age 21 or 22 is a critical one.

I don't get why some people get their panties ruffled about Bennett playing. The Blackhawks had no problem playing Saad last night for 21 minutes.

As others have said, you have to play sometime. Beau has showed a ton of composure. I'm sure he can handle 10 minutes of 4th line duty and more if someone gets injured in a game.
A lot of people forget the Pens had Paul Stanton and Jim Paek, two rookies, manning the blueline during the first cup run.

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Argument over.

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05-01-2013, 07:09 PM
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Thanks for your service TK. BB is just too versatile.

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05-01-2013, 09:45 PM
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Bennett has more skill and hockey sense in his big toe than Kennedy has in his entire body. And it shows on nearly every shift. Kennedy is a seat warmer at this point (or should be).

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05-02-2013, 12:14 AM
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TK used to be such a fun player to watch. Great at puck possession in his hey day with Staal and Cooke. I don't know what happened to him. The old TK was a key cog in our cup runs.

That said I'm enjoying the emergence of Beau and he absolutely deserves to be in over TK.

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05-02-2013, 02:05 AM
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I think the icing on the cake is that Beau Bennett's goal was a bad angle snipe to the corner to open the scoring instead of a bad angle chestsnipe.

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05-02-2013, 07:56 AM
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“He's been our next best power-play guy other than the guys in the top five,” Penguins coach Dan Bylsma said. “He's a guy who has played well without the puck. He's earned trust in that regard.”
http://triblive.com/sports/penguins/...#axzz2RyBy6tvo


Dan seems to be won over. Enough to sit Tanner and start Beau?

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05-02-2013, 09:04 AM
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BB is gaining some real confidence in the offensive zone. Hanging onto the puck, making plays. He's looking like the whole package as an offensive forward.

And god, we've been missing a 3rd player with that type of creativity forever. It's been Crosby/Malkin and 10 buzzsaws for so long.

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05-02-2013, 11:49 AM
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I can't for the life of me see TK making that snipe. I was a big TK fan a few years back, but the case seems pretty clear for Bennett now

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05-02-2013, 11:59 AM
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BB is gaining some real confidence in the offensive zone. Hanging onto the puck, making plays. He's looking like the whole package as an offensive forward.

And god, we've been missing a 3rd player with that type of creativity forever. It's been Crosby/Malkin and 10 buzzsaws for so long.
THIS, THIS, and THIS. Even our other quote top offensive players, what puts them where they are is an elite shot (Neal) or status (Iggy) or hard work (Duper) or purest physical forechecker with some skill (Kunitz). None of them have any real creativity of which to speak.

IMO, the Pens right now really have only five quote creative players: Sid, Geno, JJ, Bennett, and Letang.

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05-05-2013, 08:10 PM
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With a quick look at last years PO stats it's pretty clear that Kennedy shows up in the post season.
IS TK in DB's dog house? I personally can't believe that he wasn't dressed after the game 2 loss.

2011-2012 - Playoffs - Pittsburgh Penguins - Skater - Summary - Points
Player Team Pos GP G A P +/- PIM PP SH GW OT S S% TOI/G Sft/G FO%
1-23 of 23 results. 1
1 Jordan Staal PIT C 6 6 3 9 +2 2 1 0 1 0 12 50.0 19:49 26.8 49.5
2 Evgeni Malkin PIT C 6 3 5 8 -1 6 1 0 0 0 26 11.5 22:15 23.2 52.7
3 Sidney Crosby PIT C 6 3 5 8 -3 9 0 0 0 0 13 23.1 20:36 22.8 54.8
4 Tyler Kennedy PIT C 6 3 3 6 +1 2 0 0 1 0 15 20.0 14:22 20.2 33.3
5 Chris Kunitz PIT L 6 2 4 6 -2 8 2 0 0 0 17 11.8 19:03 21.5 0.0
6 Pascal Dupuis PIT R 6 2 4 6 +0 0 0 0 0 0 11 18.2 17:08 22.7 42.8
7 James Neal PIT L 5 2 4 6 -3 12 1 0 0 0 28 7.1 19:49 22.8 0.0
8 Steve Sullivan PIT L 6 2 4 6 -4 4 2 0 0 0 13 15.4 14:58 18.5 100.0
9 Kris Letang PIT D 6 1 4 5 -1 21 1 0 0 0 15 6.7 23:00 24.3 0.0
10 Matt Cooke PIT L 6 0 4 4 +3 16 0 0 0 0 3 0.0 16:13 22.8 50.0
11 Matt Niskanen PIT D 4 1 2 3 +2 6 1 0 0 0 8 12.5 18:31 22.5 0.0
12 Paul Martin PIT D 3 1 0 1 -1 0 0 0 0 0 1 100.0 22:07 30.0 0.0
13 Zbynek Michalek PIT D 6 0 1 1 +2 0 0 0 0 0 4 0.0 21:08 25.8 0.0
14 Deryk Engelland PIT D 6 0 1 1 +1 14 0 0 0 0 1 0.0 11:29 16.8 0.0
15 Richard Park PIT R 2 0 1 1 -1 2 0 0 0 0 2 0.0 11:20 17.5 46.7
16 Eric Tangradi PIT C 2 0 1 1 +2 0 0 0 0 0 3 0.0 8:07 10.5 0.0
17 Brooks Orpik PIT D 6 0 0 0 -2 4 0 0 0 0 3 0.0 22:16 26.8 0.0
18 Craig Adams PIT R 5 0 0 0 -1 19 0 0 0 0 1 0.0 8:39 12.0 55.6
19 Brian Strait PIT D 3 0 0 0 +3 0 0 0 0 0 2 0.0 9:35 13.7 0.0
20 Simon Despres PIT D 3 0 0 0 +2 2 0 0 0 0 1 0.0 9:18 14.0 0.0
21 Joe Vitale PIT C 4 0 0 0 -2 12 0 0 0 0 1 0.0 6:09 9.5 55.6
22 Ben Lovejoy PIT D 2 0 0 0 -2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 10:32 15.0 0.0
23 Arron Asham PIT R 3 0 0 0 -3 10 0 0 0 0 1 0.0 3:59 7.0

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05-05-2013, 08:16 PM
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Yep didn't take long for people to pine for TK. Look at his THOR rating!

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05-05-2013, 08:16 PM
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Bennett's goal in game 1 was almost exactly like one he scored in Wilkes-Barre/Scranton during the lockout, which was an amazing moment live.

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Yep didn't take long for people to pine for TK. Look at his THOR rating!
He should be playing in Glass's spot.

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05-05-2013, 09:49 PM
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If you take out the absurd Flyers series out of the equation where everybody scored, TK has roughly 15 pts in 60 GP, including 3 separate playoffs covering 37 gp where he has two goals. Shows what the passage of time can do to your reputation. He's been a rather ineffective playoff performer since chest snipes don't work as well against good goalies.

He's an upgrade over the lowest of the low (Glass, etc.) but that's about it.

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05-06-2013, 12:17 AM
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I feel like DB has been dog-housing Bennett in games 2 and 3 a bit just to send a message to the team. If he were dog-housing every forward who committed errors in our D-zone, he'd be benching everyone but Crosby and Dupuis. Will be interesting to see if he's in for game 4.

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05-06-2013, 12:20 AM
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I hope Beau is in for Game 4, the only guy I would want in for Game 4 is Vitale. We need his faceoff prowess and tenacity in the bottom 6. Not sure who would sit, but maybe Glass? Go with this as the line-up for Game 4.

Kunitz, Crosby, Dupuis
Morrow, Malkin, Iginla
Bennett, Sutter, Jokinen
Cooke, Vitale, Adams

Sit Glass.

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05-06-2013, 12:49 AM
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If it wasn't for Iginla's role on the PP, I would say that Bennett has been doing much, much better than him. Including the fact that I thought Bennett was uncharachteristically weak on the puck yesterday and suffered big time.

Of course, this should also play into evaluations on Malkin. No one here can suggest that he has been playing as responsible defensively as Crosby, but he is not even close to having the same kind of support defensively and speed/coverage wise as what Dupuis and Kunitz are providing Sid. And ultimately Geno is at a 0 while Sid is at -2.

Clearly some of this is just coincidence as the Isles have had enough quality chances on Malkin's line, but it remains that I think Malkin is getting a raw deal/evaluation for his performance. Particularly yesterday I thought he was largely playing very solid, making few questionable passes in danger areas and was very committed to backtracking. I won argue game two where along with being a terror offensively he made me insane with his giveaways also.

Anyway, I don't want Bennett out now. I don't even want Despres out unless it is for Orpik. Both those kids should be given some line here to go out and improve on bad performances. Lord knows the vets do, and many of them cannot bring the stuff our rookies can when they are on their game. Don't drop them and have the play scared next time they are in.

Only game day roster change I would pine for is to get Glass the hell out of there and put Vitale in. Lines.... well, that is a different matter and it starts with having Iginla on Sid's RW. I still fully believe this is necessary.

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I like bennett a lot. He has become my new favorite player this year. While he is good he isn't doing a hell of a lot on malkins line. This line seems to get stuck in the d zone and struggles to get the puck out on offense. If they get it ou they weren't holding the o zone very well. Bennett didn't do well getting the puck out. to me he looked a little lost. Still better than Kennedy.

When neal gets back I want to see Bennett drop to the 4th line and Koon on the left wing. That line needs a body to dig out pucks. Bennett I would love to see on the 4th line with Jokinen and adams. adams can be subbed in by malkin and crosby. 4th line becomes another scary scoring line. We are sucking 5 on 5. this would stop dan playing a crappy 4th line after sending out the 2 headed monster .. hell you could even sub in our wingers like iggy without a problem.

Dupuis, Crosby, Iginla
Kunitz, Malkin, Neal
Morrow, Sutter, Cooke
Adams (Jokinen/Iggy) ,Jokinen (Crosby/Malkin) ,Bennett

If Neal isn't back I would go with lines like HOG

Kunitz, Crosby, Dupuis
Morrow, Malkin, Iginla
Cooke, Jokinen, Bennett
Glass, Sutter, Adams

Glass is in their because Dan likes to have 4th liners with the extra role. Glass can PK .... not well but he has been playing there. Kennedy and Vitale haven't been playing that role. So while we have other forwards who have experience on the PK .... dan feels the need to hold them for offense so Glass it is.

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05-06-2013, 06:43 AM
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Bennett. All day and every day. Even with a healthy lineup, I'd still go with him over Kennedy.

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If it wasn't for Iginla's role on the PP, I would say that Bennett has been doing much, much better than him. Including the fact that I thought Bennett was uncharachteristically weak on the puck yesterday and suffered big time.

Of course, this should also play into evaluations on Malkin. No one here can suggest that he has been playing as responsible defensively as Crosby, but he is not even close to having the same kind of support defensively and speed/coverage wise as what Dupuis and Kunitz are providing Sid. And ultimately Geno is at a 0 while Sid is at -2.

Clearly some of this is just coincidence as the Isles have had enough quality chances on Malkin's line, but it remains that I think Malkin is getting a raw deal/evaluation for his performance. Particularly yesterday I thought he was largely playing very solid, making few questionable passes in danger areas and was very committed to backtracking. I won argue game two where along with being a terror offensively he made me insane with his giveaways also.

Anyway, I don't want Bennett out now. I don't even want Despres out unless it is for Orpik. Both those kids should be given some line here to go out and improve on bad performances. Lord knows the vets do, and many of them cannot bring the stuff our rookies can when they are on their game. Don't drop them and have the play scared next time they are in.

Only game day roster change I would pine for is to get Glass the hell out of there and put Vitale in. Lines.... well, that is a different matter and it starts with having Iginla on Sid's RW. I still fully believe this is necessary.
Actually, the Isles had just one fewer quality chance on Sid's line than on Malkin's line yesterday. And, for as great as people think the Kunitz-Crosby-Dupuis line has been, they have the same number of ES goals (2) in the last two games as the Crosby line.

As for Bennett, the kid is just ****** right now. With Iginla floating the way he is, you're asking him to be BOTH Kunitz and Dupuis for Malkin. It's an impossible situation for him, and it explains why Malkin has been in a catch 22 the last two games . . . press offensively to make up for it, and people will ***** about the inevitable turnovers and you not backchecking (Bennett can't do it because he's first in, and Iginla just pretty much never has been first back the last two games); basically play like a 3rd defenseman like game 3, and people will ***** that you're not hustling.

He's the other scary thing: The Isles actually are putting their shutdown line-- the Neilsen line-- on Malkin, not Crosby, by choice.

BUT, you're right . . . none of this will get in the way of a good narrative. I mean, right now, Capuano wants Tavares against Sid, and Tavares' line generated more ES chances on Sunday. BUT, nobody would dare to make a real point of that. Narratives . . .

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05-07-2013, 08:44 PM
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I hope this game showed DB that BB was never the problem. The problem is carrying skill-less forwards that are a huge liability at even strength.

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05-07-2013, 09:22 PM
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If Glass is in the line-up over both of these guys Thursday, then DB should turn in his coaching card.

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05-07-2013, 09:47 PM
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Yeah I mean Glass didn't do anything soul-crushing this game, but he also had 0 contributions, either. There's just no reason to carry him, especially since he only logged 1 minute shorthanded today, as opposed to 4ish by Adams.

And Adams failed to get a puck deep on a penalty kill that directly cost us a goal. Not that DB will care.

I'd just love to see him bench both of them and roll the Bennett-Jokinen-Kennedy 4th line. And I mean it -- actually ROLL 4 FULL ****ing LINES. And tell every player to hold nothing back while they're out there on the ice, because they have no excuse not to when we're actually rolling 4 lines.

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