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Sedin's swing at Couture's head - Is this suspendable?

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05-06-2013, 03:38 AM
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Sedin's swing at Couture's head - Is this suspendable?



So on the one hand, it's not an elbow to the head like Ference's, and certainly no momentum behind it like Bourque's hit on Conacher tonight. But on the other hand, it's a blatant swing at the head, almost a cross-check (though yes, he only caught him with the butt end of the stick and the piece of the stick above his upper hand, not with the part of the stick between the hands).

I actually don't know what to think about this. I feel like this is something that shouldn't be in the game and that there's no excuse for, but I'm also wondering if this is maybe just barely on the right side of 'chalk it up to playoff hockey'. I don't know if it's just the fact that it's the usually mild-mannered Henrik Sedin and not, say, Matt Cooke that's swaying my thought process. Thoughts?

EDIT: I'm fully aware that Henrik isn't likely to be suspended for this; a fine, if anything at all. I'm fully aware that Henrik isn't exactly Hercules. I'm hoping to have a discussion about the intent of an action and knowingly taking a swing at a guy's head in contexts like these, where it's not a body check and there's clear premeditation involved, and whether the identity of the player that's committing the infraction changes anything (e.g. if this was Raffi Torres, would people be calling for something?).

EDIT 2: I'm basically settled on this being a roughing minor that's a bit on the dirty side, but I'm still undecided whether that's because it's "just" Henrik.


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To the untrained eye it looks like Couture is embellishing, however knowing the enormous strength the Sedin twins possess i'm surprised Couture's head is still attached to his body.

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Yes.

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I'm also wondering if this is maybe just barely on the right side of 'chalk it up to playoff hockey'.
Are you serious? I didn't know "chalk it up to playoff hockey" allows centers to butt their stick to the guys head after a face off. I'm glad you don't make the rules.

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A mix of a dumb play and embellishment

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To the untrained eye it looks like Couture is embellishing, however knowing the enormous strength the Sedin twins possess i'm surprised Couture's head is still attached to his body.
Way to ignore the question. If this is Matt Cooke, are you saying the same thing? The question is about the intent of the action and the action itself, not that Sedin isn't exactly Hercules.

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Looks like couture may have said something to Henrik and the he swung at him.
It was clearly intentional, he is looking at couture the whole time and knows what he is doing.

I would say 1-2 games, but during the playoffs you never know. I think the series is over already so it doesn't really matter

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If this was matt cooke the punishment would be much worse, repeat offender and all

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Yes.
Yep. Didn't really fully connect but that looks bad.

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I wouldn't call that a swing.

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Way to ignore the question. If this is Matt Cooke, are you saying the same thing? The question is about the intent of the action and the action itself, not that Sedin isn't exactly Hercules.
See Jamie Benn v Ryan Jones.

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A mix of a dumb play and embellishment
Pretty much. He certainly put the dramatics into it but Henrik should know better anyway.

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It would be funny if Sedin got suspended for (and this is praise for clean play, don't misconstrue it as an attack) the dirtiest play of his career, but that's a hockey play.

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Can we just suspend everyone? Maybe bring in replacement players?

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It wasn't really a swing, more like a buttend, I doubt it was with any overly severe force and Couture embellished it for sure.

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don't think it's anywhere near malicious enough. this is like when he went at Dustin Brown last year... just a meh moment more than anything else. he got a minor, and i think they gave up a goal. good enough.

Also, he was still able to get the puck to Daniel prior to engaging Couture... that's something.

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I am surprised to see a Sedin do something like that.
Strong hockey play.

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Couture went down easy, but it's a head shot for sure. I was beyond shocked to see Henrik do that.

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it is def suspendable, but not something the league will suspend. star player... no injury... just something to handle with street justice

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I am surprised to see a Sedin do something like that.
Strong hockey play.
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Did Couture spear him there? It looked like Henrik retaliated for that.

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Did Couture spear him there? It looked like Henrik retaliated for that.
Looks like Couture hooked him in an unprotected area and Henrik just blew a gasket.

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Did Couture spear him there? It looked like Henrik retaliated for that.
I didn't notice that before, but perhaps the stick does get him. That would go a long way toward explaining why Henrik reacted so uncharacteristically.

EDIT: Watching it a few more times, I feel like if it catches him anywhere, it's on the wrist/hands, and certainly not with any real kind of force (no forward spearing motion of any kind on Couture's part, just looks like he's trying to untangle his stick). So I don't think this is an explanation.

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Sure, suspend him.

Won't hurt the Canucks any.

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Nah. It just a little bit of roughing going a little bit overboard. Couture makes it look worse than it really is. Not the level of supplemental discipline. A fine maybe, because it's a potentially dangerous play.

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Did Couture spear him there? It looked like Henrik retaliated for that.
I don't see it.

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Can you imagine if that was Couture on Sedin, and the calls for diving we'd be hearing in this thread??

Oh my embellisment. I like Couture, but man the **** up. That's MAYBE a two minute minor for roughing, and Couture should have gotten two for diving.

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I am surprised to see a Sedin do something like that.
Strong hockey play.


Pretty sure half the city of Vancouver has been calling for Henrik to do exactly this. Show some emotion, blah blah blah.

Under different circumstances this might get looked at, but I doubt in this case it amounts to anything. Definitely a dirty play though.

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