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05-05-2013, 07:16 AM
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Agree, he is soft as can be. But I think him paired with big stay at home like Gross, he could be Great.

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Gives us good pmd on each pair with future top pair of Luke and Gards.
That is interesting but not worth our first

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Agree, he is soft as can be. But I think him paired with big stay at home like Gross, he could be Great.

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Gives us good pmd on each pair with future top pair of Luke and Gards.
That would be an awful top pair. Gardiner is a soft minutes dman.

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05-05-2013, 08:31 AM
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If we do try to move up a couple places in the second round and Ryan Hartman is available, I would be quite disappointed if we do not take him. He is projected to go around the mid 20's.

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Whenever I watch clips or games of Drouin, I just come across thinking are there really 2 better players in this draft. Drouin imo is about as dominant a forward ive seen in junior since Tavares. He looks like he is about 3 steps ahead of everyone else. Physically I don't know how he compares to a guy like Mackinnon but from skill alone he is head and shoulders above anyone else in this draft.

What are the possibilities of him playing center in the NHL?

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If we do try to move up a couple places in the second round and Ryan Hartman is available, I would be quite disappointed if we do not take him. He is projected to go around the mid 20's.
Not sure Ryan Hartman will be available in the 2nd. He'll probably be a mid to late first. The guy I'm hoping that's available in the 2nd is either Ian McCoshen or Madison Bowey. McCoshen had a fantastic year in the USHL and he's going to Boston College, a fantastic hockey program. As for Bowey, he plays in Kelowna, where they've produced several good defensemen, including Shea Weber, Luke Schenn and Alex Edler. I'm hoping this year, the club goes defense heavy, especially with all the high end defenders available.

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Any chance our 1st gets us Gardiner ?
I hope not. I'd rather have Nurse, Rist, Pulock or Zadorov.

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Not sure Ryan Hartman will be available in the 2nd. He'll probably be a mid to late first. The guy I'm hoping that's available in the 2nd is either Ian McCoshen or Madison Bowey. McCoshen had a fantastic year in the USHL and he's going to Boston College, a fantastic hockey program. As for Bowey, he plays in Kelowna, where they've produced several good defensemen, including Shea Weber, Luke Schenn and Alex Edler. I'm hoping this year, the club goes defense heavy, especially with all the high end defenders available.
I could see them targeting Bowey. Decent sized, a bit raw, decent to okay shot, skates well and makes good passes.

I would hope someone like Bigras is available. Does a bit of everything well and the guy just refuses to take a minus. If someone like Rychel falls to them-- that guy screams Flyers. I wonder if they're looking at Heatherington due to his performance at U18. Big, more of a defensive defenseman though. Potential replacement should a resigning of a d-d-man become obnoxious.

There are some others worth mentioning as well-- but I'll hang on to those thoughts for a bit before reporters come to poach them.

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What you guys think Jacob de la Rose, Nick Sørensen, Andre' Burakowsky or Tyler Hill at second round ?

Some interesting gyus from third round who we should be interested :Michael Downing, Hudson Fasching, Michael McCarron, John Hayden, Zach Sanford, Ross Olsson and Mason Geertsen.

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Really hoping for Petan or Lehkonen in the 2nd. Both have first round skill, but are ranked lower due to size and concussion issues respectively. I doubt either will be there when we pick though.

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What you guys think Jacob de la Rose, Nick Sørensen, Andre' Burakowsky or Tyler Hill at second round ?

Some interesting gyus from third round who we should be interested :Michael Downing, Hudson Fasching, Michael McCarron, John Hayden, Zach Sanford, Ross Olsson and Mason Geertsen.
I like Micheal McCarron from the USNDPT. He was one of the better forwards for the US in the U-18's, big kid too 6'5" 230 lbs.. If we were to pick him hopefully Homer and management would convince him to go to London over Michigan State.

Fasching is interesting was once considered a phenom while playing high school hockey in Minnesota but didn't really live up to those expectations with the USNDPT.


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take a D man in the first
Take a D man in the 2nd

Do that

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take a D man in the first
Take a D man in the 2nd

Do that
You could always use size on the wings too. Anyway BPA is the route they should use with all their picks.

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I think i have said this before but I really think the stregnth of the draft is in that 10-25 range, especially for defenseman. After reading scouting reports on zadorav, Muller, Theordore, Morrissey, and Hagg I feel like Mueller and Zadorov are guys id really like. Theordore is another guy who i think will rise come draft time.


Id love to trade 11 for either calgary's or Columbus's 2 first round picks in the later portion of the drat. I feel if we pick at 19 and 15 we could get Theodore and Maybe another defenseman or a guy like Bo horvat.

Had we picked 8th i think a trade of 8th for 14 and 19 to cbj would not be unrealistic and that could have netted us mueller and Morrsissey.

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05-06-2013, 07:03 AM
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You could always use size on the wings too. Anyway BPA is the route they should use with all their picks.
I don't think that is the case in this year's first round (all other rounds I am fine going BPA). Normally I have no problem with that. It makes the most sense. But if the BPA is a center, it makes no sense to draft him in the first round of this year's draft (unless you plan on trading one of our other centers). I understand you don't want to draft to fill an NHL need. But I don't have a problem drafting to fill an organizational need. The Flyers have no defensive prospects to speak of. Ghost is years away and in a perfect world best case scenario it looks like he could possibly be a top 4 guy. Other than that, the situation is bleak.

If it comes down to lets say Monahan and one of the defenders on your list, even if Monahan is the better player, I still think you go defense. If the BPA is a winger over a defender, take him. But if the choice is between a center or a defender, I think you have to get defense. Drafting a center doesn't fill a need, doesn't help the team now, and likely doesn't help for years to come and in that situation only when there is a trade (or two) or a position change (or two). It simply doesn't make sense in this year's draft for this team.

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I don't think that is the case in this year's first round (all other rounds I am fine going BPA). Normally I have no problem with that. It makes the most sense. But if the BPA is a center, it makes no sense to draft him in the first round of this year's draft (unless you plan on trading one of our other centers). I understand you don't want to draft to fill an NHL need. But I don't have a problem drafting to fill an organizational need. The Flyers have no defensive prospects to speak of. Ghost is years away and in a perfect world best case scenario it looks like he could possibly be a top 4 guy. Other than that, the situation is bleak.

If it comes down to lets say Monahan and one of the defenders on your list, even if Monahan is the better player, I still think you go defense. If the BPA is a winger over a defender, take him. But if the choice is between a center or a defender, I think you have to get defense. Drafting a center doesn't fill a need, doesn't help the team now, and likely doesn't help for years to come and in that situation only when there is a trade (or two) or a position change (or two). It simply doesn't make sense in this year's draft for this team.
I agree the Flyers need defense help bad now and in the future. However if you look around the league, there is a greater portion of good to great defensemen taken after the 1st round than there are good to great forwards. In fact, the majority of the top scorers in the league were lottery picks (1-14), with the percentage growing even higher if you take away the players taken later in the 2003 draft, which was epic for its depth. I want the Flyers to take Pulock or Ristolainen or even trade back if they can get another 1st or high 2nd to invest in more defense. If one of the top forwards falls though like Monahan the Flyers should take them. They hopefully won't be in position to grab a forward of that calibre in many years to come.

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I think i have said this before but I really think the stregnth of the draft is in that 10-25 range, especially for defenseman. After reading scouting reports on zadorav, Muller, Theordore, Morrissey, and Hagg I feel like Mueller and Zadorov are guys id really like. Theordore is another guy who i think will rise come draft time.


Id love to trade 11 for either calgary's or Columbus's 2 first round picks in the later portion of the drat. I feel if we pick at 19 and 15 we could get Theodore and Maybe another defenseman or a guy like Bo horvat.

Had we picked 8th i think a trade of 8th for 14 and 19 to cbj would not be unrealistic and that could have netted us mueller and Morrsissey.
This.

I would do a package Columbus,Calgary or Buffalo to get multiple first rounders. And im so high this years deep draft that im ready to trade something our own to second rounders too.

Is it too much for something like Couturier+11/13 for Columbus ALL three picks (IF NYR and LA drop first round)+J.Johnson? That is just example , not really want to do that. It is just really hard to know what is the value of picks. Example, if we have two third rounders, is that fair value to trade them to earlie second rounder?

Others to trade for first/second/third rounders; Read,Talbot,Meszaros.
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Read+Talbot+Gervais to Montreal for three (34,36 and 57) second round picks.
Meszaros+3th+4th round pick to San Jose for three second round picks. (49,50 and 60)

There is Dallas (40,54 and 56) too, Anaheim (45 and 58), Buffalo (38 and 48).

Montreal have quite good picks in second round (bolded), in mock drafts there maybe are avaible many good defenders.


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You could always use size on the wings too. Anyway BPA is the route they should use with all their picks.
There are some Flyer-esque wings available.

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Prospects for the videos are off the top of my head


Max Domi, Nikita Zadorov, Bo Horvat for london



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I don't think that is the case in this year's first round (all other rounds I am fine going BPA). Normally I have no problem with that. It makes the most sense. But if the BPA is a center, it makes no sense to draft him in the first round of this year's draft (unless you plan on trading one of our other centers). I understand you don't want to draft to fill an NHL need. But I don't have a problem drafting to fill an organizational need. The Flyers have no defensive prospects to speak of. Ghost is years away and in a perfect world best case scenario it looks like he could possibly be a top 4 guy. Other than that, the situation is bleak.

If it comes down to lets say Monahan and one of the defenders on your list, even if Monahan is the better player, I still think you go defense. If the BPA is a winger over a defender, take him. But if the choice is between a center or a defender, I think you have to get defense. Drafting a center doesn't fill a need, doesn't help the team now, and likely doesn't help for years to come and in that situation only when there is a trade (or two) or a position change (or two). It simply doesn't make sense in this year's draft for this team.
It wouldn't surprise me at all to see the Flyers deal Laughton off in a trade for a NHL defenseman and then draft a center like Monahan. The possibilities are out there. Look for Holmgren to be creative and make a move or two that really improves the roster.

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London has domi, zadorov, horvat, and flyers prospect Anthony Stolarz

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It wouldn't surprise me at all to see the Flyers deal Laughton off in a trade for a NHL defenseman and then draft a center like Monahan. The possibilities are out there. Look for Holmgren to be creative and make a move or two that really improves the roster.
Laughton + Who/What? He isnt a strong enough prospect on his own to net a quality NHL defenceman any better then what we already have alot of, in middle pairing d-men.

I agree though, if Monahan slips to 11th (very unlikely IMO), Flyers would be stupid to pass on him to select an available d-man.

Personally, I'm not sure any of these d-men outside of Jones project to be above average 1st pairing guys, do they? By project, I mean from a sure bet sort of manner.

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I agree the Flyers need defense help bad now and in the future. However if you look around the league, there is a greater portion of good to great defensemen taken after the 1st round than there are good to great forwards. In fact, the majority of the top scorers in the league were lottery picks (1-14), with the percentage growing even higher if you take away the players taken later in the 2003 draft, which was epic for its depth. I want the Flyers to take Pulock or Ristolainen or even trade back if they can get another 1st or high 2nd to invest in more defense. If one of the top forwards falls though like Monahan the Flyers should take them. They hopefully won't be in position to grab a forward of that calibre in many years to come.
Guys can certainly be found in the later rounds, but I don't think you want to bank on that. The Flyers prospect pool is essentially empty in terms of defensive prospects, whereas they are overflowing with center prospects. If I'm GM I am targeting defenders in the first round. Now, of course there are scenarios where I would take a center, like let's say for whatever reason Homer and company don't think Risto/Pulock/etc are as good as other scouts do. Then it makes more sense because you don't want to pick a guy you don't think is any good. I am more talking about a situation where you have a board of lets say the 10 best players. #8 is Monahan and #10 is Ristolainen. If they are both available I would take Ristolainen even though I might think Monahan is going to be a better player because Monahan would be redundant on this team. I do understand why others wouldn't go this route though.

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It wouldn't surprise me at all to see the Flyers deal Laughton off in a trade for a NHL defenseman and then draft a center like Monahan. The possibilities are out there. Look for Holmgren to be creative and make a move or two that really improves the roster.
Yeah I could see something like that going on, and that is a scenario where drafting a center over a defender makes more sense.

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