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04-18-2013, 07:38 PM
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1st trade-NO,because Raine is now with Sudbury

2nd trade with Windsor,No if u are Erie,Percy will be an O/A not enough to help Erie"s
defense
However Harper for Bateman is reasonable,2 1st rders who might need a change of scenery
What is your opinion on Bateman? I do not feel Harper for Bateman is a good trade for Erie at all. I know Bateman was a healthy scratch quite a few times, has he proved he can consistently play at this level? Also Bateman really is not the player Erie should be looking at, they need a big trade to bring in a top four (potential top two) 95/96 d-man that can play solid in his own zone and also make a good pass to start the rush. Bateman does not seem to fit that mold from what I have read but I could be wrong. Erie needs to make a big trade something like Harper Murphy and two second rounders would bring in a great player.

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What is your opinion on Bateman? I do not feel Harper for Bateman is a good trade for Erie at all. I know Bateman was a healthy scratch quite a few times, has he proved he can consistently play at this level? Also Bateman really is not the player Erie should be looking at, they need a big trade to bring in a top four (potential top two) 95/96 d-man that can play solid in his own zone and also make a good pass to start the rush. Bateman does not seem to fit that mold from what I have read but I could be wrong. Erie needs to make a big trade something like Harper Murphy and two second rounders would bring in a great player.
Bateman struggled thru the 1st half of the season this past season but came on after the tradeline,played great with Koekkoek and had a much better 2nd half even after
Koekkoek went down,and along with Ebert was one of 2 reliable D down the stretch when Seiloff and Koekkoek were both out
When Bateman went down for 6 games it did hurt the team even more
With both Harper and Bateman 95 born 1st rders who have endured trying times
with their respective teams it might be a deal that works for both clubs imo

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This may have been mentioned before, but if Erie is looking to make moves I'd think the trade of Wigle for a 2nd and 4th would mean more to come. I don't think Dave Brown likes Wigle enough to pay that much for a kid that isn't going to produce for him.
I don't know who might be involved but I could see a Harper or Crisp coming to Niagara. It's been speculated that Brook Hiddink might be moved. He was last year's 1st rounder for the IceDogs and played regularly until after the deadline then was in the press box for the rest of the season. I'd say that's the opposite of what a rebuilding team would want.
Personally I'd like to see Crisp in Niagara. The IceDogs need a back-up goalie next year.

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This may have been mentioned before,
Personally I'd like to see Crisp in Niagara. The IceDogs need a back-up goalie next year.
Backu-up goalies!, the EO's need goalies period

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Wow

Next to nothing in Otters on the list. But Harper should IMO be rated much higher. Still thing the kid has all the tools and toughness, maybe needs a change of scenery and would live to see the Knights get him and maybe one of your under used D, in a trade. On London my guess is Harper would easily pot 30 goals.

One thing is for sure I guess in what 2 years you will finally get a top 5 NHL Central Scouting pick with McDavid. Kid is on Fire at the U18.

Let us know how your mini camp goes, it is in the next 2 weeks or so correct ?


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Wow

Next to nothing in Otters on the list. But Harper should IMO be rated much higher. Still thing the kid has all the tools and toughness, maybe needs a change of scenery and would live to see the Knights get him and maybe one of your under used D, in a trade. On London my guess is Harper would easily pot 30 goals.

One thing is for sure I guess in what 2 years you will finally get a top 5 NHL Central Scouting pick with McDavid. Kid is on Fire at the U18.

Let us know how your mini camp goes, it is in the next 2 weeks or so correct ?
It's no surprise Harper fell that far in the rankings. He had an off year and for the majority of the games you would not have even noticed him on the ice. I am not sure what the case was with him this year. Maybe sophomore slump, or was it a lack of effort and commitment? I am not sure but he does have a lot of potential in this league hopefully he he uses this past season struggles for motivation and drive to get better.

The otters camp is May 3-5. For anyone interested this is the schedule from Victor Fernandes.

Friday, May 3
10-11:20am – Practice (Team Red)
11:30am-1pm – Practice (Team Gold)

Saturday, May 4
11:30am-1pm – Scrimmage (Red vs. Gold; 1996 & 1997-born players only)
1:10-2:30pm – Practice (1993, 1994 and 1995-born players only)
3:30-5pm – Scrimmage (Red vs. Gold; 1996 and 1997-born players only)
5:10-6:30pm – Practice (1993, 1994 and 1995-born players only)
Note: The team will hold dry-land testing May 3 from 2:30-4:30pm at Mercyhurst Athletic Center and Sunday, May 5 from 9-10:30am at Presque Isle Park (if there’s good weather) and MAC (if there’s inclement weather).

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Otter's better find a real goalie to stop pucks the swede and the yank can't do the job

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Otter's better find a real goalie to stop pucks the swede and the yank can't do the job
I dont think the swede is the problem.. Likely the 5 pylons(dmen) playing infront of him. (Not including Pelech)

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Otter's better find a real goalie to stop pucks the swede and the yank can't do the job
How many games did you watch last season? If you watched a game last season than you know the above statement is untrue.

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How many games did you watch last season? If you watched a game last season than you know the above statement is untrue.
I agree, the goalies are not the problem at all. Both Dansk and Williams did all they could. They both struggled at times but both played spectacular at times. With a better defensive team both will be capable and excellent starters in this league.

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How many games did you watch last season? If you watched a game last season than you know the above statement is untrue.
The black book on Otter's goalies/
Swede: Top shelf(glove side), along the ice, East and West issues, doesn't track the puck very well, goes down too much(gives up after a few goals)

Yank: Top shelf(glove and blocker), 5 hole, doesn't track the puck worth a damn, goes down too often and too fast(gives up and locks for blame on many goals)

Oh, I have seen many games from a lot closer up than you so!

Anything I missed? Nope

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Do you have the same kind of information for the defense, which was poor on a good day, or the defensive play of the forwards?

I saw quite a few Otters games this year too, and goaltending is one of the last areas I'd place blame.

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The black book on Otter's goalies/
Swede: Top shelf(glove side), along the ice, East and West issues, doesn't track the puck very well, goes down too much(gives up after a few goals)

Yank: Top shelf(glove and blocker), 5 hole, doesn't track the puck worth a damn, goes down too often and too fast(gives up and locks for blame on many goals)

Oh, I have seen many games from a lot closer up than you so!

Anything I missed? Nope
Why are you referring to the players by nationality and not by name...

Look at the shots against and time of opposition possession vs. the Otters. Make those equal, then you can judge goaltenders. Until then, its fruitless...

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dansk did have trouble stopping the high glove hand shot for sure

a lot of the blame goes to the defense true its a 6 man game and if 1 or 3 on the ice fail to do their jobs the puck ends up in the back of the net.

one can only hope the new goaltender coach will be able to work some magic with these kids and teach them something.

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05-03-2013, 11:32 AM
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I agree, the goalies are not the problem at all. Both Dansk and Williams did all they could. They both struggled at times but both played spectacular at times. With a better defensive team both will be capable and excellent starters in this league.
Hey OHL Fan if the Mini Camp is open to the public and you go, hopefully you can provide a report or glimpse as to who looked good or out of place, especically on D.

London's camp not until after the Memorial Cup

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Hey OHL Fan if the Mini Camp is open to the public and you go, hopefully you can provide a report or glimpse as to who looked good or out of place, especically on D.

London's camp not until after the Memorial Cup
London already had mini camp.

And the words Otters and defence do not go together .

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And the words Otters and defence do not go together .
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I do not get it. Isn't mini camp for the entire roster !!

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Weekend Camp

I attended a couple sessions of this weekend's camp and as requested, am providing some insight as to who looks good.

"Veterans" that attended and played in the scrimmage games:
Hayden Hodgson
Thomas Lattavo
Justin Maiolino
Kyle Pettit
Darren Raddysh

Hodgson looked the best of the bunch, driving to the net and controlling the puck. Lattavo created some chances but otherwise looked disinterested away from the puck. Pettit looks bigger and stronger, finished some checks and otherwise does what he normally does. Raddysh was steady and picked up where he left off towards the end of last season.

Of the drafted players who looked good:
Greg Allen
Travis Dermott
Jesse Saban
Dylan Strome

Strome and Saban we're quite obvious. Strome created quite a few scoring opportunities and was willing to go to the dirty areas to try and put the puck home himself. Saban was the most aggressive of all defenseman on the ice, often pinching to keep pucks in on the blueline or looking for an open ice hit. Dermott kept things simple and made a good outlet pass. I came away most impressed with Greg Allen, he was a shutdown style defenseman with good defensive skills and a knack for timing. He was calm, composed, and looked like he could handle steady minutes. I'm hoping he earns a main camp invite and a long look, I really think he can contribute this next season.

Other notables:
Trent Fox - While it's a cute story about him being drafted by the team who employs his brother Dane, he looks undersized and unwilling to do the little things to have success.

Dan Dekoning - Blocking style goalie made the saves he needed to make. Didn't look out of place.

Tommy Horn - Free agent with wheels and an aggressive play style. Dug pucks out and chased dumps to gain puck possession. Strong skater who looked hard to take off the puck.

I didn't take notes, this was just off the top of my head. If I didn't list anyone here, they didn't make an impression.

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The news of Jack Kuzmyk going to school as opposed to coming back to Erie wasn't surprising at all. I have a feeling that decision was mutual, he wasn't going to unseat Fox or McDowell and certainly wasn't going to beat Abraham out for a spot. He'll be happy that he doesn't have to play left wing with underage kids on a struggling team regardless.

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I attended a couple sessions of this weekend's camp and as requested, am providing some insight as to who looks good.

"Veterans" that attended and played in the scrimmage games:
Hayden Hodgson
Thomas Lattavo
Justin Maiolino
Kyle Pettit
Darren Raddysh

Hodgson looked the best of the bunch, driving to the net and controlling the puck. Lattavo created some chances but otherwise looked disinterested away from the puck. Pettit looks bigger and stronger, finished some checks and otherwise does what he normally does. Raddysh was steady and picked up where he left off towards the end of last season.

Of the drafted players who looked good:
Greg Allen
Travis Dermott
Jesse Saban
Dylan Strome

Strome and Saban we're quite obvious. Strome created quite a few scoring opportunities and was willing to go to the dirty areas to try and put the puck home himself. Saban was the most aggressive of all defenseman on the ice, often pinching to keep pucks in on the blueline or looking for an open ice hit. Dermott kept things simple and made a good outlet pass. I came away most impressed with Greg Allen, he was a shutdown style defenseman with good defensive skills and a knack for timing. He was calm, composed, and looked like he could handle steady minutes. I'm hoping he earns a main camp invite and a long look, I really think he can contribute this next season.
Nice write up. Thanks for letting us know about the Otters camp. Ive always like Pettit, I like what he is going to be and I think he is going to keep developing into a really nice player. Future NHL player in my opinion. Needs to improve his feet a touch. PK specialist, gritty, defensive, big boy, U need these guys to protect leads and kill off penalties.

Greg Allen is a big kid, Ive always been a bit concerned with his feet. But I will admit I did not study his progression with the Buzzers this year. He was paired with Roland Mckeown, as the stay at home Defenseman, to compliment Mckeown's rush game, on the 96 marlboros.

Nice to hear about Saban, the pick surprised me a bit that early. I was thinking Wilkie, Lizzotte and I think many teams will regret passing on Riley Bruce. Bruce will be a stud and was a steal in the 3rd. I am glad to hear Saban was aggressive, he needs to maintain this. His size is imposing. His feet are very good for a big boy.

Im guessing Cole Mayo was not there?

Erie will never have to worry about Strome. Driven to be like his brother. Passion for the game. His feet will improve as he grows into his body. Works out with Tavares and R.Strome and see's what it takes. That is invaluble. Strome has INCREDIBLE vision, excellent smarts. He is a leader and shows that he wants to win and digs in, in close games.


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Mayo was here.
I thought he played good in both scrimmages

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I attended a couple sessions of this weekend's camp and as requested, am providing some insight as to who looks good.
Thanks for your comments, I wasn't able to attend this weekend. Sounds like a lot of positives heading into the summer. Will be interesting to see what rookies/FAs make the roster next year outside of Strome and Saban.

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In regards to Greg Allen, his skating has significantly improved. I thought he was one of the smoother and more polished skaters this weekend. Playing with McKeown likely opened his eyes to what having a two way game with a good stride can do and the kid obviously put in the work. He looked strong with the puck, had some confidence to take some rushes and try to setup plays in the offensive zone, yet was still responsible with his decision making.

Cole Mayo did attend but did not stand out at all. Playing against the level of competition that was there this weekend, I would expect the first few picks (Strome, Saban, Mayo, Fox, Kohler) to stand out and impress and that just wasn't the case beyond Strome and Saban. Mayo had a couple positional gaffs where his partner was looking for him on a regroup and he was up ice causing a turnover. He doesn't move particularly well, is a bit undersized, and frankly I think Erie could have done much better with this pick.

I got a few PM's in regards to a potential lineup so I'm going to take a stab and make a few predictions.

Betz, Nick
Brown, Connor - C
Cairns, Luke
Crisp, Connor
Evans, Jake
Fox, Dane (OA)
Harper, Stephen
Hodgson, Hayden
McDavid, Connor
Pettit, Kyle
Strome, Dylan
Wigle, Joel

Donnay, Troy
Felker, Justin
McDowell, Jimmy (OA)
Pelech, Adam - A
Raddysh, Darren
Saban, Jesse

Dansk, Oscar
Williams, Devin

On the bubble:
Abraham, Spencer - Defense (OA)
Allen, Greg - Defense
Dekoning, Daniel - 3rd G back to Jr A
Dermott, Travis - Defense
Fox, Trent - Center
Lattavo, Thomas - Wing
Maiolino, Justin - Wing
Murphy, Patrick - Defense
Wood, Travis - Wing/Defense

Import draft pick

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I'm going to guess that the Otters are going to make a couple trades in the offseason. They need a #1-2 shutdown, big minute defenseman and it's probably going to be an overager (Lepkowski in Barrie, Worrad in Belleville, Trojanovic in Peterborough, Crombeen in Plymouth, Basso in Sarnia as realistic examples.) Of course, the team does have the #5 overall selection in the Import draft where the team could address this need with a high end talent.

Some of the bubble guys like Wood, Murphy, or Abraham could hold a little trade value but I think the big pieces on the table include Betz, Cairns and Evans up front with Donnay and Felker being moveable assets on the blueline. I'd like to see the team package something like Cairns, Donnay and a pick to acquire either a power forward, 30 goal guy with some pedigree or a true #1 defenseman depending on what happens in the Import draft.

Power forward for Cairns/Evans, Donnay, draft pick
Draft high quality import defenseman (Ristolainen or Haag)
Trade bubble players for draft picks to acquire tangible assets

Projected lineup:
PWF - McDavid - Brown
Crisp - Fox - Harper
Cairns/Evans - Strome - Hodgson
Betz - Pettit - Wigle

Pelech - Import
OA - McDowell
Felker/Saban - Raddysh
Murphy

Dansk
Williams

Whoever comes out of camp strongest wins the right to sample nachos for half the season from the pressbox. I'd much rather carry hungry (get it? trololol) rookies than guys like Travis Wood who have no defined role.

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In regards to Greg Allen, his skating has significantly improved. I thought he was one of the smoother and more polished skaters this weekend. Playing with McKeown likely opened his eyes to what having a two way game with a good stride can do and the kid obviously put in the work. He looked strong with the puck, had some confidence to take some rushes and try to setup plays in the offensive zone, yet was still responsible with his decision making.

Cole Mayo did attend but did not stand out at all. Playing against the level of competition that was there this weekend, I would expect the first few picks (Strome, Saban, Mayo, Fox, Kohler) to stand out and impress and that just wasn't the case beyond Strome and Saban. Mayo had a couple positional gaffs where his partner was looking for him on a regroup and he was up ice causing a turnover. He doesn't move particularly well, is a bit undersized, and frankly I think Erie could have done much better with this pick.

I got a few PM's in regards to a potential lineup so I'm going to take a stab and make a few predictions.

Betz, Nick
Brown, Connor - C
Cairns, Luke
Crisp, Connor
Evans, Jake
Fox, Dane (OA)
Harper, Stephen
Hodgson, Hayden
McDavid, Connor
Pettit, Kyle
Strome, Dylan
Wigle, Joel

Donnay, Troy
Felker, Justin
McDowell, Jimmy (OA)
Pelech, Adam - A
Raddysh, Darren
Saban, Jesse

Dansk, Oscar
Williams, Devin

On the bubble:
Abraham, Spencer - Defense (OA)
Allen, Greg - Defense
Dekoning, Daniel - 3rd G back to Jr A
Dermott, Travis - Defense
Fox, Trent - Center
Lattavo, Thomas - Wing
Maiolino, Justin - Wing
Murphy, Patrick - Defense
Wood, Travis - Wing/Defense

Import draft pick

________

I'm going to guess that the Otters are going to make a couple trades in the offseason. They need a #1-2 shutdown, big minute defenseman and it's probably going to be an overager (Lepkowski in Barrie, Worrad in Belleville, Trojanovic in Peterborough, Crombeen in Plymouth, Basso in Sarnia as realistic examples.) Of course, the team does have the #5 overall selection in the Import draft where the team could address this need with a high end talent.

Some of the bubble guys like Wood, Murphy, or Abraham could hold a little trade value but I think the big pieces on the table include Betz, Cairns and Evans up front with Donnay and Felker being moveable assets on the blueline. I'd like to see the team package something like Cairns, Donnay and a pick to acquire either a power forward, 30 goal guy with some pedigree or a true #1 defenseman depending on what happens in the Import draft.

Power forward for Cairns/Evans, Donnay, draft pick
Draft high quality import defenseman (Ristolainen or Haag)
Trade bubble players for draft picks to acquire tangible assets
Projected lineup:
PWF - McDavid - Brown
Crisp - Fox - Harper
Cairns/Evans - Strome - Hodgson
Betz - Pettit - Wigle

Pelech - Import
OA - McDowell
Felker/Saban - Raddysh
Murphy

Dansk
Williams

Whoever comes out of camp strongest wins the right to sample nachos for half the season from the pressbox. I'd much rather carry hungry (get it? trololol) rookies than guys like Travis Wood who have no defined role.
Seems every team would love to trade bubble players for tangible assets....see the rub?

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In regards to Greg Allen, his skating has significantly improved. I thought he was one of the smoother and more polished skaters this weekend. Playing with McKeown likely opened his eyes to what having a two way game with a good stride can do and the kid obviously put in the work. He looked strong with the puck, had some confidence to take some rushes and try to setup plays in the offensive zone, yet was still responsible with his decision making.

Cole Mayo did attend but did not stand out at all. Playing against the level of competition that was there this weekend, I would expect the first few picks (Strome, Saban, Mayo, Fox, Kohler) to stand out and impress and that just wasn't the case beyond Strome and Saban. Mayo had a couple positional gaffs where his partner was looking for him on a regroup and he was up ice causing a turnover. He doesn't move particularly well, is a bit undersized, and frankly I think Erie could have done much better with this pick.
I agree regarding Mayo. He is not ready for the OHL yet. I dont know why Erie looked past Riley Bruce in the 3rd round. As tall as Donnay and can skate like the wind. If Riley Bruce was on the Oakville Rangers he would have been selected in the 2nd round at the latest. Potential is off the charts. Near the top of the skating drills at the combine, incredible given his height. Im not sold on Saban yet. He seems to wanna be an offensive defenseman but Im not sure that suits him.

Sean Kohler was an excellent pick by the Otters. Relentless worker, super fast skater, good on the forecheck and pressuring players to make turnovers. Maybe he needs a year in Junior A to get a tad stronger, maybe grow a little bit too. Kohler played a big part in the success the Oakville Rangers had winning the OHL cup. His energy can be irritating for opposing players to deal with.

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Seems every team would love to trade bubble players for tangible assets....see the rub?
No kidding, that's the difference between GM's who pay attention and make early decisions to be rewarded for it and those who don't.

Thanks for your thought provoking addition to the discussion.

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I agree regarding Mayo. He is not ready for the OHL yet. I dont know why Erie looked past Riley Bruce in the 3rd round. As tall as Donnay and can skate like the wind. If Riley Bruce was on the Oakville Rangers he would have been selected in the 2nd round at the latest. Potential is off the charts. Near the top of the skating drills at the combine, incredible given his height. Im not sold on Saban yet. He seems to wanna be an offensive defenseman but Im not sure that suits him.

Sean Kohler was an excellent pick by the Otters. Relentless worker, super fast skater, good on the forecheck and pressuring players to make turnovers. Maybe he needs a year in Junior A to get a tad stronger, maybe grow a little bit too. Kohler played a big part in the success the Oakville Rangers had winning the OHL cup. His energy can be irritating for opposing players to deal with.
Kohler's a quick little bugger, that's for sure. I don't think he's ready for this upcoming season and do agree with the "spend a year in Junior A" to bulk up, continue the learning process, and work on the little things in his game.

I would have preferred Cameron Lizotte to Saban and definitely agree with Bruce over Mayo. Saban looked like he wanted to jump quite a bit this weekend but I believe that was a result of the talent level around him. I don't think that is going to translate into him taking a bunch of risky opportunities this year, I hope he can settle down and find his way.

Even beyond the Saban pick, it would have been nice if they went a tad early and took a shot on Adam Craievich over Mayo. That kid would skate through a brick wall if you asked him to and would have added a dynamic that Erie desperately needs: physicality. He would have woken up guys like Betz, Wigle, and Donnay who posses the physical tools but lack the attitude or willingness to actually use their size to their advantage.

The Otters are just defined to a relatively small area of comfort that they prefer to draft from and it's hurting them in the long run. With the McGuire trade this year, that equated to a completely failed draft year where they currently have nothing to show for it. Perhaps a fundamental change in strategy or a personnel arrangement would assist them in the long run.

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