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05-06-2013, 03:33 PM
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Agreed. I think I'd prefer 3 good roster players Erixon Anisimov and Dubinsky right now instead of Nash. It allows us to roll 3 scoring lines and 3 defense pairs. Both AA and Dubi help with our dreaded breakout game.

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Hagelin-Brassard-Clowe

Zuccarello-Richards-Dorsett
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McDonagh-Girardi
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Sweet mother of God. I think we'd be scoring a GPG game pace with this.

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I would not in the long run.

The Rangers most likely do not make the playoffs with those players.
Rangers have more flexibility with Dubi AA 1rst and Erixon.

Those 4 pieces hold high value (equivalence of 4 first round picks+), but they traded it for a good but not franchise player, not to mention another RWer. They should've gone after a center or RHD(Weber) with those assets.

look at what the Devils gave up for Kovalchuk.

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Yeah. 2 goal Dubinsky on the 1st line. Brilliant thinking.
Some things will never die, I was one of the biggest AA fans around here but he is what he is, same goes for Dubinsky. You make that trade 10/10 times especially when you recoup the losses by adding Brassard and Moore who at this point is leaps and bounds better than Erixon for Gaborik who is soon going to be a bionic man.

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Rangers have more flexibility with Dubi AA 1rst and Erixon.

Those 4 pieces hold high value (equivalence of 4 first round picks+), but they traded it for a good but not franchise player, not to mention another RWer. They should've gone after a center or RHD(Weber) with those assets.

look at what the Devils gave up for Kovalchuk.
We have a center his name is Brad Richards, he is just on vacation and his much less talented twin Thad Richards is playing in his spot.

Hindsight is always 20/20.

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That top six is dreadful. I think the trade was absolutely, and still is, justified. Nash himself, however, has failed to deliver. We got him to make noise in the playoffs and he's done the opposite.
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Sweet mother of God. I think we'd be scoring a GPG game pace with this.
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Did you miss Stepan or am I missing something?
I missed Stepan on that top 6, my bad. Thanks to the poster who pointed it out.

Hagelin-Stepan-Callahan
Dubinsky-Anisimov-Zuccarello
Clowe-Richards-Brassard
Dorsett-Boyle-Asham

I prefer that to

Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
Clowe-Richards-Zuccarello
Dorsett-Brassard-Pyatt
Powe-Boyle-Asham

2nd lineup is absolutely dreadful compared to the 1rst IMO. #1 is way more balanced and probably fits team identity more.

edit: Thanks KreiderTheGlider

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I missed Stepan on that top 6, my bad. Thanks to the poster who pointed it out.

Hagelin-Stepan-Callahan
Dubinsky-Anisimov-Zuccarello
Clowe-Richards-Brassard
Dorsett-Boyle-Asham

I prefer that to

Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
Clowe-Richards-Zuccarello
Dorsett-Brassard-Pyatt
Powe-Boyle-Asham

2nd lineup is absolutely dreadful compared to the 1rst IMO. #1 is way more balanced and probably fits team identity more.
I don't on paper, sadly that's all we've gotten so far this year. Richards where the **** are you.

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You're a fool, his production relative to Pi indicates he was playing 7.5 knots above average over his career.

To the OP, bro your agenda is showing. Resounding no? Ok!
My agenda is showing? Lmfao. I'm actually laughing. Stating an opinion is an agenda? Stating an opinion about an underperforming player making 7.8 million a year is an agenda? My only agenda is seeing the Rangers win a ****ing cup, and Rick Nash has been dreadful in two of the biggest games of his career.

If I have an agenda then yours is much, much worse. I literally even said I hope he picks it up and I wasn't giving up on him until he has a real season and playoffs. Keep drinking the Nash-aid, though. If your agenda is being blind and refusing to admit Nash isn't getting it done you're really pushing that one.

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It's a bit of gamble to rely on a player who has been in the league for so long and has had minimal playoff experience. I think he's still feeling his way out there. 16 shot attempts in Game 1, but only 8 SOG - seems like he may be gripping the stick too tightly. But nerves or not, he was brought here to score goals in situations like Game 1 and 2 where the team is struggling to score, and he hasn't - a definite disappointment in that regard.

He has yet to prove that he can deliver in a big game in the playoffs. I'm not writing him off, but he needs to figure it out quickly because the team is two games away from being eliminated.

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Rangers have more flexibility with Dubi AA 1rst and Erixon.

Those 4 pieces hold high value (equivalence of 4 first round picks+), but they traded it for a good but not franchise player, not to mention another RWer. They should've gone after a center or RHD(Weber) with those assets.

look at what the Devils gave up for Kovalchuk.
Kovalchuk was a rental. You would give all that up and then have to give him a 15 year contract and lose another future 1st? No thanks.

Those 4 pieces don't hold that high of value. Dubinsky is overpaid and now a walking injury. Anisimov is promising but can't keep his head up. Erixon is a soft, skilled defenseman.

They didn't give up MDZ, Stepan or anyone like that. and because Nash was here thye were able to trade Gaborik for (3) very good pieces. What I would consider upgrades on the (3) players that left.

Brassard + Dorsett + Moore + Nash > Anisimov + Dubinsky + Erixon + NYR 1st + Gaborik

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My agenda is showing? Lmfao. I'm actually laughing. Stating an opinion is an agenda? Stating an opinion about an underperforming player making 7.8 million a year is an agenda? My only agenda is seeing the Rangers win a ****ing cup, and Rick Nash has been dreadful in two of the biggest games of his career.

If I have an agenda then yours is much, much worse. I literally even said I hope he picks it up and I wasn't giving up on him until he has a real season and playoffs. Keep drinking the Nash-aid, though. If your agenda is being blind and refusing to admit Nash isn't getting it done you're really pushing that one.
You've spouted this nonsense all year long. Keep laughing, you know it's true.

Every GDT since the beginning of the season you have **** on the team.

My agenda is simple, look at facts and realize that he has been what was expected, am I disappointed in his first two games of the playoffs? Game one yes, game two not so much, he was arguably our best forward and continued to ramp it up as the game went on. If anyone was going to win it for us he was going to be involved, and almost did. Not to mention he really hustled to get back on several plays and made good defensive plays.

You're entitled to your opinion, but if you're not going to at least attempt to give credit where it is due it makes you look silly.

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How many other players on the team are there? How many of them performed up to last years standard? If the answer is two, you are correct. It's a team game, Nash has played like a first liner along with Stepan the rest of our team? Yeah not so much.
Hagelin, MZA exceeded expectations, Stralman, Hank, Biron, Eminger, MDZs been fine too.

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Yeah. 2 goal Dubinsky on the 1st line. Brilliant thinking.
He was on pace for a 57 point season in 82 games

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You've spouted this nonsense all year long. Keep laughing, you know it's true.
I've spouted it when it's applicable. Which is sad, because it's been applicable at more than one point in the season. He wasn't scoring in the first part of the season and dropped off at the end of the season. When guys like you were blinded by his stupid "skate into the zone backwards" move I was noticing that he was floating on defense and refusing to get involved on offense.

If not exalting Nash as god is an agenda, then yes, I have one. I will keep laughing because it's absolutely ridiculous that you can try to discredit what have been valid criticisms all year long as an agenda.

I've **** on the TEAM? Are you blind? I've **** on Nash for not being worth his contract but i've literally been one of the only people on this board (during the regular season, at least) to not ostracize the team as the worst team to ever play in the league in NHL history. Open your eyes.

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Hagelin, MZA exceeded expectations, Stralman, Hank, Biron, Eminger, MDZs been fine too.
Stralman and Hagelin improved on last year, I wouldn't say Hagelin exceeded any realistic expectations. Biron? In his what 6 games, he was the same as last year. Eminger put together another solid season and MDZ has been up and down. Hank is Hank.

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I've spouted it when it's applicable. Which is sad, because it's been applicable at more than one point in the season. He wasn't scoring in the first part of the season and dropped off at the end of the season. When guys like you were blinded by his stupid "skate into the zone backwards" move I was noticing that he was floating on defense and refusing to get involved on offense.

If not exalting Nash as god is an agenda, then yes, I have one. I will keep laughing because it's absolutely ridiculous that you can try to discredit what have been valid criticisms all year long as an agenda.
So you decide whether or not your argument is valid and when it's applicable? Like the first GDT of the year when you complained about how "awful" this team was. Because to me it just looked like another bipolar Ranger fan. Let me guess you're one of those people who walks into a room and talks really loud because he thinks people will agree with him if he continually forces his opinions down their throats right?


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It's also hard to tell if Nash could make more of an impact if we weren't such a "defensive minded" team (kind of a joke in itself but whatever).

It seems like he has free license to do what he wants considering all of the times he tries to weave through players on his own to get to the net. But overall it seems like get less steady time in the offensive zone because of this game plan Torts has.

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Nash is fine/it's hard to tell. The team is pissing me off. It frequently looks like a dozen of em don't give a ****, and when only a handful of guys are trying, those guys simply aren't capable of carrying the other dead bodies on their backs. Wondering where that tenacity/passion went that we had when we played those two games against the Pens.

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Kovalchuk was a rental. You would give all that up and then have to give him a 15 year contract and lose another future 1st? No thanks.
Kovalchuk is also a franchise player.

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Those 4 pieces don't hold that high of value. Dubinsky is overpaid and now a walking injury. Anisimov is promising but can't keep his head up. Erixon is a soft, skilled defenseman.
Wow completely disagree. Ask CBJ fans on what they think of these three. Dubinsky is prototypical physical 2nd line, 2-way player that teams in today's NHL are desperate for. He is one of the best puck possession players in the NHL, which Jarmo Kekalainen said he values a lot out of him. Anisimov is promising and that's the point. He really elevated his game in spurts of the year and hold a ton of value due to his combination of size and skill. Erixon is soft, same way Moore is soft. Neither are physical players, but both rely on smarts and skating tools to rush puck up. He was never given legitimate chance here, but he seems to have done well in CBJ's #6 dman spot as a rookie, just like Moore is on the Rangers.
For example, I'd take Dubinsky and Anisimov over any forward not named Callahan, Stepan and Nash.
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They didn't give up MDZ, Stepan or anyone like that. and because Nash was here thye were able to trade Gaborik for (3) very good pieces. What I would consider upgrades on the (3) players that left.

Brassard + Dorsett + Moore + Nash > Anisimov + Dubinsky + Erixon + NYR 1st + Gaborik
Completely disagree again. I'd much prefer the later duo. Bold.

Look at what the unbiased NHL poll section has to say: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1420491

I have to agree with them, really mostly Rangers fans are thinking they won the deal if you look at the voting results.

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You've spouted this nonsense all year long. Keep laughing, you know it's true.

Every GDT since the beginning of the season you have **** on the team.

My agenda is simple, look at facts and realize that he has been what was expected, am I disappointed in his first two games of the playoffs? Game one yes, game two not so much, he was arguably our best forward and continued to ramp it up as the game went on. If anyone was going to win it for us he was going to be involved, and almost did. Not to mention he really hustled to get back on several plays and made good defensive plays.

You're entitled to your opinion, but if you're not going to at least attempt to give credit where it is due it makes you look silly.
Really?

BSB has been defending the team a lot this year. He has no agenda on here, just telling it how he sees it.

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Wow completely disagree. Ask CBJ fans on what they think of these three. Dubinsky is prototypical physical 2nd line, 2-way player that teams in today's NHL are desperate for. He is one of the best puck possession players in the NHL, which Jarmo Kekalainen said he values a lot out of him. Anisimov is promising and that's the point. He really elevated his game in spurts of the year and hold a ton of value due to his combination of size and skill. Erixon is soft, same way Moore is soft. Neither are physical players, but both rely on smarts and skating tools to rush puck up. He was never given legitimate chance here, but he seems to have done well in CBJ's #6 dman spot as a rookie, just like Moore is on the Rangers.
For example, I'd take Dubinsky and Anisimov over any forward not named Callahan, Stepan and Nash.


Completely disagree again. I'd much prefer the later duo. Bold.

Look at what the unbiased NHL poll section has to say: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1420491

I have to agree with them, really mostly Rangers fans are thinking they won the deal if you look at the voting results.
Yeah, I'll have to agree to disagree. Dubinsky masking 4.2 million? Pass. Erixon is much softer than Moore. Not even close.

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Stralman and Hagelin improved on last year, I wouldn't say Hagelin exceeded any realistic expectations. Biron? In his what 6 games, he was the same as last year. Eminger put together another solid season and MDZ has been up and down. Hank is Hank.
I don't think Girardi and McDonagh have been that bad either, but I don't want to get my flame suit here.

Biggest disappointment is obviously Richards, but everyone else played up to their capabilities.

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After the season is over I'd be willing to bet it comes out that Nash has been playing hurt since the last week of the season.

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You're a fool, his production relative to Pi indicates he was playing 7.5 knots above average over his career.

To the OP, bro your agenda is showing. Resounding no? Ok!
Come on, bro, let's not make it personal.

BSB's opinion is very fair. The team has one goal in two games, and Nash has no points. He's here to lead the offense. While he has had chances, I don't think he's been as good as he should be. He's been better than all of our forwards sans Hagelin, but that isn't saying much. Again, one goal in two games.

We could blame the coach, like we always do. Nash has the ability to take over a game, though, and that's what he needs to do. It's the playoffs.

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I missed Stepan on that top 6, my bad. Thanks to the poster who pointed it out.

Hagelin-Stepan-Callahan
Dubinsky-Anisimov-Zuccarello
Clowe-Richards-Brassard
Dorsett-Boyle-Asham


I prefer that to

Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
Clowe-Richards-Zuccarello
Dorsett-Brassard-Pyatt
Powe-Boyle-Asham

2nd lineup is absolutely dreadful compared to the 1rst IMO. #1 is way more balanced and probably fits team identity more.

edit: Thanks KreiderTheGlider
Definitely the better lineup. What was so great about last year was the abundance of guys that could play top six roles. So even if one guy got cold you could bump him down to the third and there were a couple of other guys that could slot right into the top six.

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Yeah, I'll have to agree to disagree. Dubinsky masking 4.2 million? Pass. Erixon is much softer than Moore. Not even close.
Dubinsky PPG: 0.718
Callahan PPG: 0.688

Both make 4.2 mil. One is chronically overpaid.

And Erixon was above Moore on depth chart when they were both on CBJ. Seems pretty telling what CBJ thought which one was better? Erixon had more TOI/PG than Moore.

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