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05-07-2013, 10:10 AM
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Savard was better than Robinson.
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We need to replace our not so good guys with some larger, meaner, willing to fight guys. This will make our skilled guys way better as they know they will be protected. PK and Emelin can then hit and not be worried about getting jumped.

Trade: Gionta (Gallagher has replaced him), Moen (useless), DD (replaced by Galch & Eller), Weber (replaced by Tinordi), Armstrong (useless)

Bring in: Bickell, Clarkson, Clowe, Bordeleau, McGratton, Bieksa
Name the last NHL team that acquired 6, yes SIX, free agents in one season.

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05-07-2013, 10:11 AM
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No bloody way.
Yup. Savard was better than Larry.

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That's why we needed to see this. Bergy will deal with this mistake.
The DD is not a mistake, he needed a new contract and can be traded if required. Yor retain assets and don't let them go for nothing.

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05-07-2013, 10:14 AM
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Yup. Savard was better than Larry.
Maybe in your dream world, heck Savard is not even 2nd best in team history.

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05-07-2013, 10:16 AM
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Name the last NHL team that acquired 6, yes SIX, free agents in one season.
Probably some Rangers team of a decade ago and it didn't work.

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DD's market value is dropping by the day. I am sorry about this.
Maybe yes maybe no. Other teams' GMs and scouts tend to be more macro than micro and a few bad weeks don't change the fact that that DD has good offence numbers at a low price. But yeah Gallagher and DD's value seem to be inversely related. It would appear Habs have reached smurf saturation limit and adding a new one only hurts the others. DD did well when he played with two of our top (big) wingers. That formula means we can afford only a coupla smurfs on our top lines. We are simply oversmurfed right now.

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05-07-2013, 10:22 AM
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an oft repeated and always ignored little fact
To continue that argument: Habs drafted many big players after Saku, all of who were ****. There is no memory on this board.

Go for skill and speed, every time. Big if possible, but usually not. Big guys will be available in later rounds, or trades.

OH. And who in fact won game 3 for sens? 5 foot 9, 163 pounds Pageau. Fighting did not win that game for Sens, scoring did.

Too bad DD is not Pageau. Because that is why we are now losing this series.

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05-07-2013, 10:23 AM
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Name the last NHL team that acquired 6, yes SIX, free agents in one season.
I believe the Panthers before last season and guess what, they made the playoffs

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05-07-2013, 10:24 AM
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Yup. Savard was better than Larry.
There's an arugment for it, but I'm going to disagree.

Robinson's offensive game and physical domination to me offset Savard's unequalled composure defensively. Of the "big three", Robinson was the most complete two-way player. Had Savard not lost his speed in an injury it would have been another story.

Not sure what this has to do with his record as a GM. He was a great GM for a while, and yes under him the Habs had probably their toughest team in history (though he also inherited enough talent to focus heavily on that element), but by the end of his career he was partially responsible for the awful drafting that lead to the post-93 decline. The practice of drafting players based on their height didn't work then and it won't work now. Priority should be on big forwards (especially if they use their size), I fully aggree, but we don't need to draft like the early 90's Habs or the early 2000's Leafs.

I want more, not less speed. Ideally speed and a big frame that can both outskate and skate through people, but speed doesn't get sacrificed.


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05-07-2013, 10:25 AM
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His point is that we have to stop looking for excuses for that team. We're missing key ingredients, and it shows. We've been lacking some for a while too, and nothing in the system is going to likely become the ingredients we're missing.

Bergevin has to do some key moves this summer.

Clowe, Bickell, Clarkson... there are quite a few guys who could add an important dimension to that team. We'll see what happens, but looking for excuses is pointless, because the Sens can use a couple too.
He's the one using injuries as an excuse. I'm talking about what's happened on the ice...Anderson's faced 118 shots in 3 games and a .949% and Price has faced 91 and has an .879. THAT is why they are up 2-1 and not down 2-1 or 3-0.

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The DD is not a mistake, he needed a new contract and can be traded if required. You retain assets and don't let them go for nothing.
Glad someone else sees it this way. Always irked me that BG let so many players walk and got nothing back. DD certainly has value and now we are in a position to realize that one way or another.

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05-07-2013, 10:27 AM
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Maybe in your dream world, heck Savard is not even 2nd best in team history.
Savard was better than Robinson.

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05-07-2013, 10:29 AM
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He's the one using injuries as an excuse. I'm talking about what's happened on the ice...Anderson's faced 118 shots in 3 games and a .949% and Price has faced 91 and has an .879. THAT is why they are up 2-1 and not down 2-1 or 3-0.
So it's all Price's fault?

Convenient...

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There's an arugment for it, but I'm going to disagree.

Robinson's offensive game and physical domination to me offset Savard's unequalled composure defensively. Of the "big three", Robinson was the most complete two-way player. Had Savard not lost his speed in an injury it would have been another story.
That's what I've been saying. I was having fun just stating it again and again, until you contributed.

Savard was better than Robinson.

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05-07-2013, 10:32 AM
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Yup. Savard was better than Larry.
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Savard was better than Robinson.
I think you might need to reiterate again, you think who is better than who?

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I really liked Artyukhin, the guy is scary on the ice

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I really liked Artyukhin, the guy is scary on the ice
He sucks so much it's not even funny. If people think Kostitsyn was frustrating, this guy takes the nod on all aspects.

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05-07-2013, 10:46 AM
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Savard was better than Robinson.
Different styles , but Robinson by a lot, even with Savard's injuries.

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He sucks so much it's not even funny. If people think Kostitsyn was frustrating, this guy takes the nod on all aspects.
a lazy tough guy who hides behind a sheild, thanks I'll pass. if artyukin is the answer, we are not asking the right questions.

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Maybe in your dream world, heck Savard is not even 2nd best in team history.
Well yeah, that's because Robinson is. Doug Harvey was incredible.

Robinson is the better player if you ask me, although Savard was great. He was the rock that allowed Robinson the support to make his forays up and down the ice, and yeah, Savard was a bolter before he broke his leg in two places. He was a great rusher in his time.

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Name the last NHL team that acquired 6, yes SIX, free agents in one season.
Florida signed like 10 the summer of 2011.

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So it's all Price's fault?

Convenient...
It's not all his fault, Anderson deserves a big chunk. The team didn't play as well as they should in game 3.

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I really liked Artyukhin, the guy is scary on the ice
And not a very good fighter, either.

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You Angry? You've got to be kidding. I'm pleased as hell at the progress this year, and key rookies learning in a tough series.

I'm also pleased that we made the PO, so that players like DD would be tested and evaluated.

You did not seriously expect us to win a cup this year dude. Say it ain't so.

Are you seriously angry at Bergevin? What a ****ing joke.
THANK YOU ..great post..

I am amazed at people that are so angry with this team being down 2-1 in the series
Be happy, we were 28th last year so making the playoffs this year is a great experience for the young guys. If we win a round great, if not well going from 28th to 4th in one year under MB is fantastic.

Just to feel positive and confident with our management team is the best feeling I have had in years with this team. MB learned with the CHI team what building a team for the long run takes.

This Draft is setting up to really build a depth base for the future. A draft that is by all accounts a "best in years for depth" having 6 picks in the first 3 rounds can go along way to building that CHI level of talent and depth.

With MB just finishing his 12th month in the GM chair he has evaluated the system and will start putting his plan in place. It started with the Prust signing as to what he deemed we needed and now hopefully a few more hard working bigger F's

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