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View Poll Results: What will happen with Bobby Ryan?
He will be traded 50 65.79%
He will be re-signed 11 14.47%
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05-06-2013, 06:14 PM
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Staal for Ryan - yes (provided what we add isn't too significant). Girardi for Ryan is intriguing but the Rags would have to add.

Question - which side does Staal play more often. We have a ton of LDs and a shortage of RDs.
The left side, but Staal is a versatile player, I'm sure he can moved to the right side.

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No, you really don't. Trades aren't just made on the basis of value.
No, YOU really dont. But I really do. I think that swap makes our team better and Id pull the trigger if its an expendable asset that we add.

Obviously it depends on Murray's view on adding another forward, but if he adds another Top 6 guy somewhere Id make that trade.

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The latter.
Ok well the way I see it - Beauchemin is the only guy I'd consider a top pairing guy on the team at the moment. Fowler has the potential but is still better off playing second pairing minutes (there have been stretches of games where he's been our best defenseman but there have been other stretches where he still needs sheltering and he looks a bit off).

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05-06-2013, 06:32 PM
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Ok well the way I see it - Beauchemin is the only guy I'd consider a top pairing guy on the team at the moment. Fowler has the potential but is still better off playing second pairing minutes (there have been stretches of games where he's been our best defenseman but there have been other stretches where he still needs sheltering and he looks a bit off).
Do you think that Fowler is going to remain that way?

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No, YOU really dont. But I really do. I think that swap makes our team better and Id pull the trigger if its an expendable asset that we add.

Obviously it depends on Murray's view on adding another forward, but if he adds another Top 6 guy somewhere Id make that trade.
Two top six guys with that trade.

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05-06-2013, 06:37 PM
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Yeah, Fowler is still a bit inconsistent, but that's fairly typical of young players. The fact that Boudreau feels comfortable with matching him up against Datsyuk really says something, in my opinion. That, combined with the offensive potential, makes me think Fowler will be our best defenseman sooner rather than later.

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05-06-2013, 06:58 PM
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Do you think that Fowler is going to remain that way?
I doubt it. I think he'll be a number one defenseman within a few years. But even then I still think we could use a guy like Staal - not only for the immediate future but also long term to play with Fowler. It never hurts to have too many quality blueliners IMO.

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I doubt it. I think he'll be a number one defenseman within a few years. But even then I still think we could use a guy like Staal - not only for the immediate future but also long term to play with Fowler. It never hurts to have too many quality blueliners IMO.
It does hurt if you don't have enough forwards for your top six, though. This season we have five(well, four, but Bonino progressed there by the end), plus a revolving door on the left side. If Teemu leaves, Palmieri looks like he might be ready to take the second line vacancy, but you still have that turnstile on the left side. Move Ryan and you add a second wild card spot on the left side. That top six is worse than any we've had in the last few years. We also won't have much cap space to fix it, since Staal only gives us back a little over a million. Looking at the market, you're probably going to need about 5 to 7 million per spot(the lower end being the least reliable).

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It does hurt if you don't have enough forwards for your top six, though. This season we have five(well, four, but Bonino progressed there by the end), plus a revolving door on the left side. If Teemu leaves, Palmieri looks like he might be ready to take the second line vacancy, but you still have that turnstile on the left side. Move Ryan and you add a second wild card spot on the left side. That top six is worse than any we've had in the last few years. We also won't have much cap space to fix it, since Staal only gives us back a little over a million. Looking at the market, you're probably going to need about 5 to 7 million per spot(the lower end being the least reliable).
I absolutely see your point but I think there are going to be a few more options on the trade market this offseason with the cap going down. We've got enough young assets now that I think we can afford to start moving them for proven players.

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I absolutely see your point but I think there are going to be a few more options on the trade market this offseason with the cap going down. We've got enough young assets now that I think we can afford to start moving them for proven players.
Which is why I'm saying that until we know what's going to be there, it shouldn't be an automatic yes. The trade is fine in principle, but till we actually land a capable replacement - I think it has to be a vet with Bonino and Palmieri's experience level - it's far from a perfect fit. We probably need to move Souray at that point, too, which seems doable.

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05-06-2013, 08:41 PM
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Which is why I'm saying that until we know what's going to be there, it shouldn't be an automatic yes. The trade is fine in principle, but till we actually land a capable replacement - I think it has to be a vet with Bonino and Palmieri's experience level - it's far from a perfect fit. We probably need to move Souray at that point, too, which seems doable.
I agree about that.

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I agree about that.
I can agree with that too. Moving Ryan is definitely contingent on adequate replacements.

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I voted for something else. Clearly, Ryan is going to become the Ducks' franchise player and carry the RPG line next season and for years to come.

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I'd have no problem moving Bobby. Not a fan of his at all but you'd need replace his offense.

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I voted for something else. Clearly, Ryan is going to become the Ducks' franchise player and carry the RPG line next season and for years to come.

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Ryan is older than 25. He's too old for a youth movement.


I think Ryan is gone at the draft or soon after UFA season starts. I always thought he would be moved if the twins were re-signed. They have, so he's gone.


I'm not sure I would want to do it for Staal though. We lack high end established D talent, but we have high end YOUTH coming up. I always envisioned moving him for two second line pieces (including a center).

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Ryan is older than 25. He's too old for a youth movement.


I think Ryan is gone at the draft or soon after UFA season starts. I always thought he would be moved if the twins were re-signed. They have, so he's gone.


I'm not sure I would want to do it for Staal though. We lack high end established D talent, but we have high end YOUTH coming up. I always envisioned moving him for two second line pieces (including a center).
Yes. A Staal trade is tempting but we're too thin up front if we move Ryan for D. IMO the ideal Ryan trade is a quality for quantity trade at forward. But the quantity coming back still needs to be quality, with maybe one piece being a lot more potential than current quality.

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At this point, I don't really even care that much. Bobby is pretty much a lost cause based on his last two seasons. Just get rid of him and move on.

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Ryan is older than 25. He's too old for a youth movement.


I think Ryan is gone at the draft or soon after UFA season starts. I always thought he would be moved if the twins were re-signed. They have, so he's gone.


I'm not sure I would want to do it for Staal though. We lack high end established D talent, but we have high end YOUTH coming up. I always envisioned moving him for two second line pieces (including a center).
Apparently, my humor and sarcasm are lost on some.

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Apparently, my humor and sarcasm are lost on some.
I got it. That was a feeble attempt at a joke back on how all good players become irrelevant after a quarter of a century.

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I don't have a problem moving Ryan for another first pairing defenseman. As long as we're talking about a guy that can move his feet and pass the puck. That's what we need.

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I would love to move Bobby for a top pairing defender like Edler or Staal. If we are moving him for depth then I pass.

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Yeah, Fowler is still a bit inconsistent, but that's fairly typical of young players. The fact that Boudreau feels comfortable with matching him up against Datsyuk really says something, in my opinion. That, combined with the offensive potential, makes me think Fowler will be our best defenseman sooner rather than later.
Can we ship off Ryan+sbisa for a 2nd line center and a top dman? And move Etem and Palms up to top 6 once Selanne is gone?

Do you see that viable or not Soj. Etem is proving he's top 6 worthy this season and in the playoffs. He seems definitely dependable and reliable unlike streaky bobby who has been completely invisible this season.

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Can we ship off Ryan+sbisa for a 2nd line center and a top dman? And move Etem and Palms up to top 6 once Selanne is gone?

Do you see that viable or not Soj. Etem is proving he's top 6 worthy this season and in the playoffs. He seems definitely dependable and reliable unlike streaky bobby who has been completely invisible this season.
What team would givbe up a #2 C and top pairing defender for Bobby+Sbisa.....

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What team would givbe up a #2 C and top pairing defender for Bobby+Sbisa.....
We may have to add a bit. But I wouldn't mind shopping those two around as a package and seeing what Murray can get for those two. I understand top d man don't come cheap, but neither do consistent proven 30 goal forwards. He just may need a change of scenery to get back to form.

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Season is going to end.

Its going to be announced Bobby is going for some sort of surgery to repair something.

Everyone on this board goes AHHHH told you he was hurt!

Comes back a month late into start of next year and leads league in scoring at the end.

Maybe...

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