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05-06-2013, 08:44 PM
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The point I was trying to make is that we've had an iffy track record with our high picks, outside of defensemen. With that many second round picks, I would have expected at least one top six forward...instead of none. Obviously it's easy to play "woulda\shoulda" with draft picks, I was just providing some evidence that we're not the magical drafting team that some say.

We draft and develop defensemen like no other team in the NHL. Goaltenders too. Offensive minded forwards is another story. The numbers don't really lie.
He deserves some credit though for finding guys like Erat, Bourque and Hornqvist later in the draft.

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I still don't count Radulov. He never got near his potential with the Preds, just because he had the talent to get there doesn't make him a draft success. Obviously Poile can't look into a crystal ball and see that Rads would ditch us, but that kind of stuff just comes with the territory when you take a HIGH paying job as an NHL GM. If there's no accountability for anything, then you end up with 30 years of never being a top contender.

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05-06-2013, 09:15 PM
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you dont become a team that goes from expansion club to one that contends for ten straight years, mostly on a shoestring budget, without drafting very well.... just sayin'... beyond the specifics of exactly what players were chosen and not chosen, this is the greatest testament to Poiles drafting prowess and by extension to our scouting department.

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05-06-2013, 09:21 PM
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I still don't count Radulov. He never got near his potential with the Preds, just because he had the talent to get there doesn't make him a draft success. Obviously Poile can't look into a crystal ball and see that Rads would ditch us, but that kind of stuff just comes with the territory when you take a HIGH paying job as an NHL GM. If there's no accountability for anything, then you end up with 30 years of never being a top contender.
So then we have never ever drafted a top three forward ever if you don't count radulov, Hartnell does not count, he had one really good season, but is not classified as a 'first line' guy.
Poile kills the draft on defensemen and goalies, and 2-4 like forwards, but he cannot nail first line talent, plain and simple. Someone else here mentioned it was same in Washington, did poile draft bondra?? A late round European, seems like his style....


But anyways, this draft with the fourth overall pick is poile's chance to finally make everyone ecstatic and draft a first line dynamic forward, don't trade the pick Dave!!

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05-06-2013, 09:24 PM
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you dont become a team that goes from expansion club to one that contends for ten straight years, mostly on a shoestring budget, without drafting very well.... just sayin'... beyond the specifics of exactly what players were chosen and not chosen, this is the greatest testament to Poiles drafting prowess and by extension to our scouting department.


Yeah agreed

We have been 'playoff' team due to amazing defense and goaltending, we have not truly been Stanley cup contenders, due to lack of scoring.

That's why it's so exciting to finally have rinne and weber locked up, josi, Ellis, and Klein in the fold. And then we have forsberg and most likely barkov coming in to help Wilson and beck, things could get exciting in next few years!!

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05-06-2013, 09:27 PM
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Yeah agreed

We have been 'playoff' team due to amazing defense and goaltending, we have not truly been Stanley cup contenders, due to lack of scoring.

That's why it's so exciting to finally have rinne and weber locked up, josi, Ellis, and Klein in the fold. And then we have forsberg and most likely barkov coming in to help Wilson and beck, things could get exciting in next few years!!
Sullivan-Arnott-Dumont
Kariya-Forsberg-Radulov
Hartnell-Legwand-(don't remember)

1st round exit.

I agree we need more offense, but its no guarentee.

Basically what this boils down to is that Poile and his scouting staff are IMO one of the top 5 in the league.

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05-06-2013, 11:13 PM
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Sullivan-Arnott-Dumont
Kariya-Forsberg-Radulov
Hartnell-Legwand-(don't remember)

1st round exit.

I agree we need more offense, but its no guarentee.

Basically what this boils down to is that Poile and his scouting staff are IMO one of the top 5 in the league.
kariya legwand erat
sullivan arnott dumont
hartnell forsberg radulov
hordichuk smithson tootoo

timonen zidlicky weber suter hamhuis eaton ect on defense.... talk about stacked

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Sullivan-Arnott-Dumont
Kariya-Forsberg-Radulov
Hartnell-Legwand-(don't remember)

1st round exit.
Dumont - Arnott - Sullivan
Kariya - Legwand - Erat
Hartnell - Forsberg - Radulov

Most disappointing season, IMO.

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05-07-2013, 06:30 AM
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Fiddler was playing with Forsberg and Hartnell. Wasn't that the year that Radulov took out Arnott in the playoffs? The reason I remember Fiddler on that line was I was astonished that Poile could acquire Forsberg and then Trotz was stupid enough to play this playoff warrior with Vernon Fiddler. Nice use of a player. Really? Fiddler?

But yeah, that team was stacked and we did jack squat against San Jose. We won one game in a best 4 out of 7 series. People found excuses as to why we didn't do better and looking back, we should've been looking for a new coach that could actually get something out of his players come playoff time. Yet here we are again, out of the playoffs this time still defending the same coach who has absolutely nothing to show for himself after all this time.

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the funny thing is that neither of those SJ series was even really close. The bigger Sharks essentially played keepaway for entire games. We had small teams back then, and you saw an immediate turn toward bigger forwards\D in response.

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Unless Ellis grows 5 inches, that first rounder seems like a wasted pick to me ... holy balls ROR was a 2nd rounder in that draft :/
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http://video.predators.nhl.com/video...ed-share-video

Disappointing video, since no specifics are discussed about who we like, but Poile does talk about the possibility of trading it. The pick is "a huge asset". His first inclination is to draft with it, and "it would take a lot for me to move it", but "there will be overtures, and I want to hear what people think it is worth".

God, we better not trade this.
I'm quoting both of these because my point refers to each one.

Sometimes its not always about who you pick but how you manage that asset.

Sure Ryan Ellis is small, but what if you can trade him for a critical piece? How many teams would love to get their hands on a PP moving QB like him? Depending on the return, it may not need to be considered a waste of a pick.

Same thing with the 4th overall pick right now. It all depends on what you can trade the pick for. If you can get a top line player under the age of 27, it may be more than worth it. There is no actual way to tell if the player you pick at 4 will be better than top line player A. But Poile has to weigh that possibility.

Asset management isn't a simple game. Sometimes trading that valuable top 5 pick might actually be better for the team in the long run than actually using it.

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05-07-2013, 11:03 AM
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Stole this from a thread on the prospects board

1. Buffalo - 10yrs 91 draft picks 28 NHL Players = 30.7% success rate (1)

2. Boston - 10yrs 85 draft picks 26 NHL Players = 30.5% success rate (1)

3. Ottawa - 10yrs 92 draft picks 26 NHL Players = 28.2% success rate (2)

4. Pittsburgh - 10yrs 95 draft picks 27 NHL Players = 28.4% success rate

5. Colorado - 10yrs 96 draft picks 27 NHL Players = 28.1% success rate (1)

6. San Jose - 10yrs 78 draft picks 21 NHL Players = 27.0% success rate (3)

7. Montreal - 10yrs 90 draft picks 24 NHL Players = 26.6% success rate (2)

8. Anaheim - 10yrs 74 draft picks 19 NHL Players = 25.6% success rate

9. Nashville - 9yrs 88 draft picks 20 NHL Players = 24.0% success rate (3)

10. NY Rangers -10yrs 100 draft picks 23 NHL Players = 23.0% success rate

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I'd say that's pretty good since we traded our 1st rounder in what 3 of those 10?

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Nobody is questioning poile's ability to draft well, the only thing in question is his ability to draft game breaking top line forward talent.

My original question,

Did poile draft bondra in Washington?? Late round European, sounds like his style.

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Yes, he did.

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how many games constitutes an NHL player in that list?

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wow how many picks did Anaheim and San Jose trade away and how many did the Rangers acquire?? thats crazy to have 25 more draft picks than another team over a ten year span

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Does anyone know how many picks we have and what spot? edit I found a site for this.
1st 4th overall
3rd 64th overall
4th 95th overall
4th 99th overall
4th 113th overall(could be lower if Toronto advances to SCF)
5th 125th overall
5th 140th overall
6th 155th overall
6th 171st overall (could be lower if San Jose advances to SCF)
7th 185th overall
http://www.prosportstransactions.com...Years/2013.htm


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Does anyone know how many picks we have and what spot?
According to hockey db ...

Normal picks in rounds 1,3,4,5,6,7.
Received round 2 pick from Tampa; received round 4 pick from Buffalo; received round 6 pick from San Jose.
Sent round 2 pick to Montreal.

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So probably 2 4ths, 2 5ths, and 2 7ths. Hopefully Poile can pull his usual stuff in the late rounds.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Poile grabs another pick between our 1st and our 3rd. Probably a 2nd rounder, but if a guy we like is falling, I could see him snagging a mid/late first with some combination of Ellis/Blum/Smith/SK/Gill

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Does anyone know how many picks we have and what spot? edit I found a site for this.
1st 4th overall
3rd 64th overall
4th 95th overall
4th 113th overall(could be lower if Toronto advances)
5th 125th overall
5th 140th overall
6th 155th overall
7th 185th overall
either a 6th or 7th if Scott Hannan plays in the PO for the Sharks
http://www.prosportstransactions.com...Years/2013.htm
So the Scott hannan deal gives us a sixth,
So we have
1 first
1 third
2 fourths
2 fifths
2 sixths
1 seventh

What is the 113th overall which could be lower if Toronto 'advances'? Which doesn't look very likely anyhow as they are losing their series 3-1.

9 picks total as it currently stands.

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So the Scott hannan deal gives us a sixth,
So we have
1 first
1 third
3 fourths
2 fifths
2 sixths
1 seventh

What is the 113th overall which could be lower if Toronto 'advances'? Which doesn't look very likely anyhow as they are losing their series 3-1.

9 picks total as it currently stands.
its their fourth rounder, which currently sits at 113 but if by some chance the Leafs made the Cup final they would drop down to the next to last spot in each round... it will still be a 4th rounder but could theoretically be lower than 113... and so we actually have three 4th rounders because we also have Buffalos 4th (99)which people seem to forget came back with gaustad when we sent last years 1st

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its their fourth rounder, which currently sits at 113 but if by some chance the Leafs made the Cup final they would drop down to the next to last spot in each round... it will still be a 4th rounder but could theoretically be lower than 113... and so we actually have three 4th rounders because we also have Buffalos 4th (99)which people seem to forget came back with gaustad when we sent last years 1st
Don't we also have Tampa Bays 2nd rounder, or was that last year?

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Don't we also have Tampa Bays 2nd rounder, or was that last year?
last year

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Fiddler was playing with Forsberg and Hartnell. Wasn't that the year that Radulov took out Arnott in the playoffs? The reason I remember Fiddler on that line was I was astonished that Poile could acquire Forsberg and then Trotz was stupid enough to play this playoff warrior with Vernon Fiddler. Nice use of a player. Really? Fiddler?

But yeah, that team was stacked and we did jack squat against San Jose. We won one game in a best 4 out of 7 series. People found excuses as to why we didn't do better and looking back, we should've been looking for a new coach that could actually get something out of his players come playoff time. Yet here we are again, out of the playoffs this time still defending the same coach who has absolutely nothing to show for himself after all this time.
No, the year Radulov took out Arnott was the 07-08 playoffs. The year we were stacked was 06-07. Our lines going into the playoffs were

Erat-Legwand-Kariya
Dumont-Arnott-Hartnell
Radulov-Forsberg-Fiddler
Tootoo-Nichol-Hordichuck/Smithson


The only reason Fiddler was playing with Forsberg was Sullivan injured his back otherwise Sully would have been on Arnott's line and Hartnell on Forsberg's line. There really wasn't a better option than Fiddler.

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