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05-07-2013, 12:51 PM
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I can't see the Rangers firing Torts but if they do, is the obvious choice former New York Ranger and NHL coaching veteran, Lindy Ruff?
Its the predictable/lazy thing to do.

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Its the predictable/lazy thing to do.
Which makes Ruff the frontrunner!

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Some are crazy to think torts is a bad coach.. He took players like Prust Mitchell strals boyle etc into average/borderline players into successful players on teams.. He developed mcd, step, hags, dz sauer to some extent... Raised the game of Callahan Dubi staal and girardi.. Has prob influenced moores play to a big extent, soon Brass and dorsett..He's a very effective coach and we don't know how he is behind closed doors.. But with the work he's done he should hav a higher approval rating then does.. I like him a lot..but it's almost that make or break time.. **** or get off the pot!! With the complete overall he gets more time.. But sather is more to blaim for his personnel decisions for sure.. You can't hav success when you bring in 6 new faces and hav success.. We brought in another 5 guys this trade deadline... If we don't keep a team together for 2-3+ yrs your not going to gain any success.. Tweaking your roster is fine but keep trading and changing over that many faces shouldn't com with high expectations short term.. It's foolish!!

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Some are crazy to think torts is a bad coach.. He took players like Prust Mitchell strals boyle etc into average/borderline players into successful players on teams.. He developed mcd, step, hags, dz sauer to some extent... Raised the game of Callahan Dubi staal and girardi.. Has prob influenced moores play to a big extent, soon Brass and dorsett..He's a very effective coach and we don't know how he is behind closed doors.. But with the work he's done he should hav a higher approval rating then does.. I like him a lot..but it's almost that make or break time.. **** or get off the pot!! With the complete overall he gets more time.. But sather is more to blaim for his personnel decisions for sure.. You can't hav success when you bring in 6 new faces and hav success.. We brought in another 5 guys this trade deadline... If we don't keep a team together for 2-3+ yrs your not going to gain any success.. Tweaking your roster is fine but keep trading and changing over that many faces shouldn't com with high expectations short term.. It's foolish!!
absolutely agree... we had a team that took us to the cup finals... we ripped it to shreds, "replaced" too many irreplaceable players (for our system) and this is the result...

you don't fix what isn't broken.

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absolutely agree... we had a team that took us to the cup finals... we ripped it to shreds, "replaced" too many irreplaceable players (for our system) and this is the result...

you don't fix what isn't broken.
Did I miss something??

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We limped into the ECF with 2 game 7's decided by 1 goal and were ripped apart by the Devils. So no, we were not amazing last year by any means.

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so you like the powerplays we get 5 on 5, when the mediocre Capitals can play in our end-zone for 9-10 minutes in a row because of the awesome, coward, boring Torts system. Think back of the 2nd period yesterday (Green goal) or the overtime in Washington Basically any team we played in the playoffs under Torts was all over us, read Henke, luck, and I do not know what every series we managed to win, but it was for sure not because of better play.

Gimme a break.

With this talent and this team you must play in the endzone of every team in the league or atleast 50/50. Torts is a defensive coach that does not have the balls to play this team how it suppose to be played, he MUST be fired.

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05-07-2013, 04:23 PM
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We limped into the ECF with 2 game 7's decided by 1 goal and were ripped apart by the Devils. So no, we were not amazing last year by any means.
So how would you describe the previous 18 years?

For an organization that has limited success, some fans sure have a warped sense of entitlement.

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05-07-2013, 04:35 PM
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We limped into the ECF with 2 game 7's decided by 1 goal and were ripped apart by the Devils. So no, we were not amazing last year by any means.
Do you get extra stanley cups for not limping?

And losing in OT in game 6 is hardly getting "ripped apart". Plus remember Gabby was playing with one arm...

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So how would you describe the previous 18 years?

For an organization that has limited success, some fans sure have a warped sense of entitlement.
Worse than last year?

I don't know where you got the "sense of entitlement" from. A lot of things went right for us last year. Richards' shot doesn't go under Carlson's arm, for example, and we're probably eliminated in game 6 in Washington.

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So how would you describe the previous 18 years?

For an organization that has limited success, some fans sure have a warped sense of entitlement.
I blame the Yankees for that.

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Worse than last year?

I don't know where you got the "sense of entitlement" from. A lot of things went right for us last year. Richards' shot doesn't go under Carlson's arm, for example, and we're probably eliminated in game 6 in Washington.
You don't know that. And a large number of teams get some kind of breaks in a playoff run across any sport. Esa Tikkanen missed a wide open net against Detroit in Finals in 1998 in Game 2 that would have given them a two goal lead with nine minutes left in 3rd period. If he scores, they split in Detroit and who knows what happens? Nicklas Lidstrom goal from center ice that turns that series completely on its head in 2002.

Jeffrey Maier. Giants recover RW McQuarters fumble in NFC Championship game vs Packers. Kyle Williams has ball go off his knee in NFC Championship game vs 49ers.

A lot of things go right for teams who make deep runs and/or win championships. Parity has never been greater in NHL and the difference between playoff teams seems to be narrowing.

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You don't know that. And a large number of teams get some kind of breaks in a playoff run across any sport. Esa Tikkanen missed a wide open net against Detroit in Finals in 1998 in Game 2 that would have given them a two goal lead with nine minutes left in 3rd period. If he scores, they split in Detroit and who knows what happens? Nicklas Lidstrom goal from center ice that turns that series completely on its head in 2002.

Jeffrey Maier. Giants recover RW McQuarters fumble in NFC Championship game vs Packers. Kyle Williams has ball go off his knee in NFC Championship game vs 49ers.

A lot of things go right for teams who make deep runs and/or win championships. Parity has never been greater in NHL and the difference between playoff teams seems to be narrowing.
Of course every championship team gets lucky breaks. No team is going to make perfect plays all of the time.

My point is however, that it felt like everything was going our way last year. And I don't think I was the only one here who felt like they were going to win it all. IDK. Something about it. And it wasn't the way we were playing. It was just that feeling of "things are going our way." Nonetheless, we were dominated for long stretches by teams all season. I just watched Game 7 vs. Ottawa a few days ago. They were hemming us in for 3 shifts at a time. We weren't doing that. (I blame that on the collapsing strategy, but many here don't) We played some ugly hockey, got some bounces, but in the end, NJ was just plain better than us. They beat us with a forecheck like nothing we had seen from the Rangers in the entire playoffs. To sum up, I don't think that we were as good as it might have seemed last year. (Still the best NYR season in a long time though)

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Ive only seen one person who is a die-hard Torts supporter, and Im almost convinced Kel Varsen is a mouthpiece/yes-man for the Rangers organization.

I see a lot of other folks on this board, knowledgeable ones, that take in all the factors and realize an immediate coaching change will make little difference, just as its done in the past.

To proclaim that a coach's shelf life is overwith less than a year removed from a conference finals birth, after a lockout shortened season, and after 2 major roster revisions, one of them just 6 weeks ago, is not just impatient, its petulant.
If not that, a blood relation.

I agree though. As much as I don't think Torts is 'the' coach for this team, I'm not sure anyone they'd bring in is, and we'd really be back at square one, or worse. Anyone who has followed this team past this year and last should know by now a coaching change will do nothing for the powerplay and transition game. That will be bad until god knows when. I've stopped hoping the PP will improve any time soon.

Really the biggest change would be the defensive strategy, which could in turn affect the offensive strategy, but to what degree is anyone's guess.

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Ive only seen one person who is a die-hard Torts supporter, and Im almost convinced Kel Varsen is a mouthpiece/yes-man for the Rangers organization.

I see a lot of other folks on this board, knowledgeable ones, that take in all the factors and realize an immediate coaching change will make little difference, just as its done in the past.

To proclaim that a coach's shelf life is overwith less than a year removed from a conference finals birth, after a lockout shortened season, and after 2 major roster revisions, one of them just 6 weeks ago, is not just impatient, its petulant.
I've said consistently since we made the Nash trade I didn't like it. That being said I'm a fan of the team and would like nothing more than for it to work out, but today I still stand by what I said when we made it, I don't think it was the right call. We should have kept our homegrown guys, that team was better than the sum of its parts, they grew up together and I think they showed last year they could compete legitimately for a cup together.

Would a mouthpiece/yes-man for the Rangers organization say that?

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Of course every championship team gets lucky breaks. No team is going to make perfect plays all of the time.

My point is however, that it felt like everything was going our way last year. And I don't think I was the only one here who felt like they were going to win it all. IDK. Something about it. And it wasn't the way we were playing. It was just that feeling of "things are going our way." Nonetheless, we were dominated for long stretches by teams all season. I just watched Game 7 vs. Ottawa a few days ago. They were hemming us in for 3 shifts at a time. We weren't doing that. (I blame that on the collapsing strategy, but many here don't) We played some ugly hockey, got some bounces, but in the end, NJ was just plain better than us. They beat us with a forecheck like nothing we had seen from the Rangers in the entire playoffs. To sum up, I don't think that we were as good as it might have seemed last year. (Still the best NYR season in a long time though)
I don't know. I think the results speak more to the team's accomplishment than our subjective feelings about how or why they ended where they did. It was the best NYR season in decades. Pretty amazing in my book. Obviously, it could have been better, but making it to the CF is a big deal, especially for a team who almost never gets there.

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I don't know. I think the results speak more to the team's accomplishment than our subjective feelings about how or why they ended where they did. It was the best NYR season in decades. Pretty amazing in my book. Obviously, it could have been better, but making it to the CF is a big deal, especially for a team who almost never gets there.
I know. I just don't think we were as dominant as the record led us to believe. How many times did Tortorella say "we found a way to win"?

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I've said consistently since we made the Nash trade I didn't like it. That being said I'm a fan of the team and would like nothing more than for it to work out, but today I still stand by what I said when we made it, I don't think it was the right call. We should have kept our homegrown guys, that team was better than the sum of its parts, they grew up together and I think they showed last year they could compete legitimately for a cup together.

Would a mouthpiece/yes-man for the Rangers organization say that?
After these 13 years, getting mad at only the Nash trade is pretty wild.

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I know. I just don't think we were as dominant as the record led us to believe. How many times did Tortorella say "we found a way to win"?
I agree. They didn't dominate like a solid puck possession team would, not by a long shot. But, ending up at the top of the conference, just barely losing the president's trophy and starting as the one seed in the east is a huge success anyway you slice it. "Finding ways to win" is as good as flat out dominating if you can do it with consistency.

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After these 13 years, getting mad at only the Nash trade is pretty wild.
I've said 999999999999999 times already that pre lockout sather sucked and should have been fired. In the earlier versions of this thread, and possibly even in this incarnation of it. I didn't know that anyone was so dense as to not have that point sink in yet. I stand corrected.

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I know. I just don't think we were as dominant as the record led us to believe. How many times did Tortorella say "we found a way to win"?
Last year's team played well above its head, yet you wanted them to be much better. I just dont get how you draw up your expectations.

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Last year's team played well above its head, yet you wanted them to be much better. I just dont get how you draw up your expectations.
Reading comprehension? When did I say that?

I thought the Nash trade was needed and I still make that trade now.

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I've said 999999999999999 times already that pre lockout sather sucked and should have been fired. In the earlier versions of this thread, and possibly even in this incarnation of it. I didn't know that anyone was so dense as to not have that point sink in yet. I stand corrected.
I actually think Sather was better in 2000-2004 than he was in 2005-2009. Some of the mistakes he made post-lockout were so egregious, they'll go down as some of the worst acquisitions in the history of the sport.

.....but yea, that Nash trade.....

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I agree. They didn't dominate like a solid puck possession team would, not by a long shot. But, ending up at the top of the conference, just barely losing the president's trophy and starting as the one seed in the east is a huge success anyway you slice it. "Finding ways to win" is as good as flat out dominating if you can do it with consistency.
That's the thing though. Teams will adjust and you won't "find a way to win" consistently.

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