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05-06-2013, 07:04 PM
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Way too much emphasis on coaching, this team is not down because of coaching. We are down because our goaltender **** the bed in game 1. Coach Therrien implemented a strategy that got 50 shots on goal. He is not anywhere close to the problem.
Tomorrow night, watch our D closely and pay attention how we get the puck out of the zone.

Then we can continue this discussion.

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05-07-2013, 12:15 AM
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Been watching the Habs since the late 70's, I don't need a refresher on coaching.
So you just have a memory problem.

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05-07-2013, 12:28 AM
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You and I see eye to eye on a lot of issues. On this one we will have to disagree.

Yes, Therrien is at fault.

Our PP has been solved by other teams. Put two defenders high on the DMen and we crumble and have trouble maintaining the puck in our zone, much less getting scoring chances.
Well our problem has not even gone that far since the last few games, we can't even set ourself up in the zone properly to begin with.

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Our PP has forwards on the side of or behind the net instead of having a body in front of the goalie. The Habs WERE doing that during the season and with good results. Now, when we need to cash in on PPs, no one is screening the goalie.
And you think Therrien doesn't want players to screen the goalies?

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Our forecheck has returned to the Martin way. Send one guy in just to look like we have someone on the forecheck instead of sending two players to pressure the puck like we did during the season.
Not even close. The team still forecheck but it's not been as effective lately.

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Defensive zone entries. Remember when teams had trouble entering our zone, whether full strength or PK. Now, our team is simply collapsing toward Price and allowing easy entry into our zone. We were not like that during the regular season.

Exit out of our zone. What impressed me the most about the regular season Habs was the ease with which we skated and passed the puck out of our zone and into a quick transition. We truly were a puck possession team for the first time in a long time. Now, our D have reverted back to Martin hockey of simply shooting or lobbing the puck out of our zone and giving up possession
That's all true and it's clear that they don't do it as well as they were during the regular season. But again you think that MT doesn't want it continue like it did?

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Stupid line combo decisions. Therrien took apart our highest scoring line and moved Ryder down and now Ryder and Pleks are in a funk and are not scoring. He also moved Prust down to the 4th line and only moved him back up because of Eller's injuries
Here's the thing though, the Habs never had their full line-up since the Ryder trade so it was easy to make experiments and have guys plays new roles. But now that the line-up was complete before Eller's injury, they had make room for everybody and it's easier to place Prust on the fourth line than Bourque.

Also it's obvious that Prust is not a 100%.


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That is simply the short list of problems caused by Therrien's coaching or simply forgetting what this team did to become one of the top teams in the East. Not acceptable and injuries to players is not an excuse for abandoning the principles and style of play that made the Habs successful.
Here's the thing though: the Habs are there because of him! He's the one that implanted this system that took a 28th team and made it a 4th place one, that made us think this team was better than they really were.

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05-07-2013, 12:32 AM
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That doesnt sound whiny. That's an example of a coach giving it to his own player rather than complaining because he didnt think another coach was classy enough for him. Definitely was a ******** move by Maclean but he is allowed to call one timeout a game. Not really Therrien's place to give a second lecture about being classy.
Here's the thing though, I think it's part of Therrien's strategy to do this. It deflects the spotlight away from the problem his players have. It worked for the second game when he talked about Maclean's lack of respect. His players wre fuming and they responded. Bowman used to do this all the time.

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I will reply to your well thought out post just like I replied to the people who used to blame the players instead of Coach Martin.

If a coach cannot get his players to do what he asks of them, what is the point in even having him as coach?

The Habs clearly are not playing the same style of game as they did during the regular season. From Ryder to Subban and everyone in between.

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05-07-2013, 01:37 AM
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Honestly, I'd rather Ruff or Boucher for next season. Therrien cannot delve into tactics or adjustments whatsoever.
I'm curious what Boucher has done, to quantify him being in demand for any job in the NHL at this point? His vets generally disliked him, his defense first style was vomit inducing, and his 1-3-1 'trap' would really impress the season ticket holders in Montreal...



Besides the whole 'language thing' (which we aren't allowed to comment on here) ... I would rather keep looking than take a chance on Guy.

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I will reply to your well thought out post just like I replied to the people who used to blame the players instead of Coach Martin.

If a coach cannot get his players to do what he asks of them, what is the point in even having him as coach?

The Habs clearly are not playing the same style of game as they did during the regular season. From Ryder to Subban and everyone in between.
100% spot on.

plus our PP looks nothing like our PP in the regular season.

But I don't think Therrien is the problem, I think the assistant coaches need to be re-evaluated this summer.

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05-07-2013, 06:27 AM
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Tomorrow night, watch our D closely and pay attention how we get the puck out of the zone.

Then we can continue this discussion.
Yes, because coach Therrien is asking them to bank the puck off the boards and turn over possession. He also asked Diaz to to put Eller in a position where he gets his head taken off.

The game is split second decisions, our D is not the best. This is a personnel issue, not a coaching problem. We have Subban who can clear the puck rather easily with possession, we have Markov who looks like a shell of himself, Gorges who's offensive instincts and skating is non existent, Diaz who is in his NHL pro year(missed a chunk of the season), Tinordi who doesn't even have enough games to qualify as a rookie and Francis Boullion who is ok as a 6th dman if the other parts are in place.

Coaching is rarely of consequence unless you have an extremely bad coach like Cunneyworth. If you don't have the horses, it doesn't matter if you're Scotty Bowman.

Therrien over achieved with this bunch and I'm confident we will win this series still. What you site as poor coaching is actually poor execution, not poor coaching.

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05-07-2013, 07:19 AM
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I will reply to your well thought out post just like I replied to the people who used to blame the players instead of Coach Martin.

If a coach cannot get his players to do what he asks of them, what is the point in even having him as coach?

The Habs clearly are not playing the same style of game as they did during the regular season. From Ryder to Subban and everyone in between.
In game one and two, I saw the same Habs that won the division title... If it was not for Anderson in game 1, we would have left Montreal leading 2-0 ... Now in Ottawa, I agree with you... Poor game, poor performance.. No forecheck in O zone or in D zone ( Swarming ) ...

But while you can't blame everything on players, you can't do the same on Therrien... I mean, they are 4 up there... with Daigneault, Gallant et Jodoin...

People here are saying McLean is outcoaching Therrien... Really ? allowing 50 shots in game one and admitting live they got dominated in game 2 doesn't look like it...

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05-07-2013, 10:34 PM
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****ing idiot piece of ****.

Bench Galchenyuk in the third and allow the team to sit on a lead and ice the puck.

I know we have to have a French language coach but why do we have to have the most ****ing stupid French language coaches in Montreal.

Oh, and **** you too Bergevin. I like the way you got angry toward the end of the game. But I did not see that emotion when Neil was running all of your skill players.

Dumb and dumber. ****ing embarrassment in the NHL.

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I'm watching the PC and he looks so ****ing dumb.

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05-07-2013, 10:40 PM
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Just don't like him. Was ready to give him a shot....but I just can't.

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05-07-2013, 10:42 PM
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****ing idiot piece of ****.

Bench Galchenyuk in the third and allow the team to sit on a lead and ice the puck.

I know we have to have a French language coach but why do we have to have the most ****ing stupid French language coaches in Montreal.

Oh, and **** you too Bergevin. I like the way you got angry toward the end of the game. But I did not see that emotion when Neil was running all of your skill players.

Dumb and dumber. ****ing embarrassment in the NHL.
Same old BS. A pee wee coach, with pee wee psychology. Therrien is just garbage... no different from the last time he coached the habs.

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He wore the appropriate tie color tonight.

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He should show some ******. He stopped attacking and went into defense mode. That is what lost the game.

Therrien should realize that.

Shots were 13 to 4 in the 3rd.

I thought you guys had this game for sure.

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Are we witnessing another Therrien playoff collapse?

Over a decade later and as the french say... 'Plus ça change, plus c'est pareil'.

Just like a over decade ago, a Therrien led Habs team seems to be losing a playoff series in which the Habs should have/be winning.

Just like a decade ago... a Therrien led Habs team collapsed in the third period trying to protect a lead.

Just like a decade ago a face-off specialist is not on the ice for a critical defensive face-off that leads to a back breaking goal.

There is a saying...

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Once again Therrien blows up in the playoffs.
Once again Habs fans have been sold a bill of goods by the hiring of a flawed coach.

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He sucks, got lucky and habs will miss out yet again on Boucher. He don't have what it takes to be a real coach, he doesn't have a system and has no idea how to adapt on the go, he's ****ing static and looks like a goof.

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I wasn't a huge fan of Therrien's remarks after the last couple losses, but there is no point in jumping all over him right now for this loss. He will not be fired at the end of the season. Maybe next year.

Last year this team bottomed out in the East. Ottawa is making their second appearance in the playoffs in a row. Last year they did a pretty good job against the 1st place Rangers. This year they finished 7th but probably could have finished higher if not for the injuries. We have exceeded expectations thus far, and the series is still not over yet.

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He should show some ******. He stopped attacking and went into defense mode. That is what lost the game.

Therrien should realize that.

Shots were 13 to 4 in the 3rd.

I thought you guys had this game for sure.
Maclean has made Therrien to look like a fool, coach like a fool and generally act like a fool.

All we need now in Game 5 is to have a few elephants, a lion or two and maybe a clown and the Montreal Circus will be complete.

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I wasn't a huge fan of Therrien's remarks after the last couple losses, but there is no point in jumping all over him right now for this loss. He will not be fired at the end of the season. Maybe next year.

Last year this team bottomed out in the East. Ottawa is making their second appearance in the playoffs in a row. Last year they did a pretty good job against the 1st place Rangers. This year they finished 7th but probably could have finished higher if not for the injuries. We have exceeded expectations thus far, and the series is still not over yet.
No worries. I am used to that in Montreal.

Things will ALWAYS be better a couple of years from now. Not this season and not next season, but we will be ready in two years.

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Maclean has made Therrien to look like a fool, coach like a fool and generally act like a fool.

All we need now in Game 5 is to have a few elephants, a lion or two and maybe a clown and the Montreal Circus will be complete.
Yeah... we already have plenty of midgets.

What a freaking tragi-comedy.

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Therrien simply got out coached.

The Canadiens has a mediocre line-up, yet collectively they were a force because of the system.

The walrus simply found a way to destroy the system, by opposing players against players instead of system vs system.

Individually, the canadiens are easily bottom 10 of the league.

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What kind of respect do you get from your players when you are the one who started this "No excuses" motto and yet keeps bringing the excuses every single ****ing day....

No excuses Therrien. You ****ing play the kids that gave you a 2-0 and maybe we get to 3-0 instead of protecting a lead for 30 ****ing minutes...

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Maclean has made Therrien to look like a fool, coach like a fool and generally act like a fool.

All we need now in Game 5 is to have a few elephants, a lion or two and maybe a clown and the Montreal Circus will be complete.
I thought you already had the clown?


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I'm ok with a coaching change.

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