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05-08-2013, 07:24 AM
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I take issue with calling McDonagh a throw-in. Gainey may have treated him as one, but I think most people with a passing knowledge of prospects understood that McDonagh had great potential. Same for Moore.

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Like I said, the Rangers brass seem to be able to pick out d-men with ease.

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I take issue with calling McDonagh a throw-in. Gainey may have treated him as one, but I think most people with a passing knowledge of prospects understood that McDonagh had great potential. Same for Moore.
If you go back to a lot of the threads, a lot of people were down on McDonagh because of his lack of offense. People thought he would become a top-4 defensive d-man.

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I take issue with calling McDonagh a throw-in. Gainey may have treated him as one, but I think most people with a passing knowledge of prospects understood that McDonagh had great potential. Same for Moore.
At the time, McDonagh had not progressed as the Canadiens had been hoping. They were also looking to get him to come out of College sooner as well.

There were legit questions about McD.

No one doubted he was a good prospect, but he had somewhat stagnated developmentally.

Hindsight being 20/20 it's turned out to be a steal for the Rangers, and even on the day it was done we were more than thrilled, but no one was able to predict that he would become THIS good.

So far I am loving the Moore acquisition. He's solidified the bottom pairing where that is no longer an issue and he's getting better to the point where it's conceviable to start the discussion of moving one of Girardi/Staal/MDZ

Don't mis-understand me. I'm not saying he's at that point yet, but with a full off-season conditioning regiment. A full training camp to get more accustomed to the players an the system, and with McIlrath and Skjei progressing there could be cause (a good this) to maximize the return on one of the three guys mentioed above.

When you can consider that we would entertain the thought of moving Girardi or Staal then you know you have a special player.

Lets hope he keeps it up for at least 4-5 more weeks.

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At the time, McDonagh had not progressed as the Canadiens had been hoping. They were also looking to get him to come out of College sooner as well.

There were legit questions about McD.

No one doubted he was a good prospect, but he had somewhat stagnated developmentally.

Hindsight being 20/20 it's turned out to be a steal for the Rangers, and even on the day it was done we were more than thrilled, but no one was able to predict that he would become THIS good.
It wasn't outside the realm of possibility that he would become this good. He was a top fifteen pick for a reason. His last year at Wisconsin, he was playing on a team with Brendan Smith, Justin Schultz, Cody Goloubef and Jake Gardiner. That's an insanely talented back end with or without McDonagh. I think his contributions got lost in the shuffle a little bit. I remember watching him when checking out Stepan, and he was the smooth skating, poised, great puck mover that he is today. He didn't have gaudy offensive numbers that some had hoped, but it was pretty clear that even if the offense never really developed he'd still be a terrific defenseman who could move the puck.

When we acquired him I nearly **** my pants. He looked to me like a guy with a second-pairing floor. Like I said, Gainey may have considered him a throw-in, but I think a lot of us realized he was a far more important acquisition than that. I guess I'm mincing words at this point...it's just when people call McDonagh a throw-in, it just sounds like they don't know what they're talking about. Guys like Blake Parlett are throw-ins. McDonagh was still a really good prospect, even if Montreal had stupidly given up on him.

It's different with Moore, in that Columbus didn't really give up on him; they just had great depth on the back end and reasoned that they would be fine without him. I don't think Moore has quite the same upside as McDonagh, though he has great ability as well. I was thrilled that we were able to get him. People labeling Moore a throw-in addition just didn't know the name.

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Moore isn't a throw in.

McDonagh wasn't a throw in. Sather asked Gorton and Clark who they liked on Montreal. They told him McDonagh.

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When Sather realized he had a shot at making the deal, he went to Director of player personnel Gordie Clark and asked, "Who should we get?" Both Clark and assistant GM Jeff Gorton had McDonagh No. 1. The Rangers really liked him going back to the NHL combine of his draft year and always kept an eye on him. (He was taken before New York selected the late Alexei Cherepanov.) Who was No. 2 if Montreal said no? "It never got that far," Clark said.
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opin...-thoughts.html

Gorton wasn't with the Rangers at the 2007 draft.

With Moore,Adam Graves called Steve Spott to ask about him. The Rangers were familiar with Moore from the 2009 draft.

The Rangers needed to bring back a young asset in the Gaborik deal. Young roster player. Top prospect. 1st round pick.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...&postcount=413

They did

Torts was on Michael Kay's show last Wednesday. He said the Rangers still lack a PP QB or a shot from the point. Maybe Moore is the guy. They have tried everyone else with mixed or no success.

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Chelios was 27 when he won his first Norris.

These guys aren't even close to their prime.

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Moore will be even better once they fired this dope of a coach. However, I'm concerned that Sather will probably replace Torts with another type just like him.

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If you saw Moore play junior hockey at all (I follow the Kitchener Rangers pretty closely as well, so I paid attention to him as soon as they acquired him) you'd see what an asset he could be as a PPQB. His shot is huge and actually hits it's target (not like DZ), and he's smart enough to know when to just make the simple play instead of going for a pass through traffic. Next year I think you see Moore take over the power play, and it improve at least slightly.

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