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05-08-2013, 09:22 PM
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Nabby's strength was reading the play. He cheated and that is what gave up those 5hole and shortside goals. Nemo doesn't cheat, but he isn't athletic and isn't in the same universe for reading the play. Nemo is bigger and covers low better than Nabby did as Nabby did have a minor fault in stance.

And SJgoalie32 is right, the failures were far more attributable to scoring failures than Nabby himself. Of all of Nabby's series, the one where he fell hardest was Calgary where he got off his angles for a couple of games and did not adjust quickly enough to what Calgary was doing. His biggest success was dueling Roy in the Colorado series.
Another thing with nabby is sometimes he goes so far outside the net. its great sometimes becuase it cuts off the angle but at the same time one quick pass and your looking at an empty net goal...

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Another thing with nabby is sometimes he goes so far outside the net. its great sometimes becuase it cuts off the angle but at the same time one quick pass and your looking at an empty net goal...
That is part of the cheating. The Bruins' goalies do that all the time because they have Chara to back them up so they don't pay for it as frequently.

In his prime, Nabby was a top 10 goalie. I still have him in the top 20.

Watch Nabby's feet when he gets up from a split. Check to see if he is only using one leg on which to get upright. He was onesided with the Sharks. A small fault, but a fault nonetheless. It's another cause of fivehole.

Nabby is technically very smart and using him as a goalie coach if he can put ego aside would be good if a team decides to go with younger goalies. He was very good helping Toskala when they were paired.

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I really dont want a goalie that is that mentally soft that he is paranoid about his team not scoring.
Nor should an offense be so mentally soft that they can't score because they're terrified of making a mistake. But that wasn't my point. And it's not that Nabby (or really any other goalie) gets "paranoid." But there are little emotional/psychological things that eat at you. Goalies are humans, too, just like the forwards and the defenders. You do your best to reset mentally and not let it affect you, but there can be a slight effect. Even to the best.

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Every goalie out there should be thinking they are going to give up 0 goals. They certainly shouldnt be going out there thinking that its ok to give up 3 goals because hist team will score 4.
Of course every goalie goes into a game thinking they are going to give up 0 goals. But that rarely happens. Nobody's perfect all the time so you have to be able to overcome adversity. But it's easier to feel confident that you will overcome adversity if you know your offense will score 4 goals rather than feeling like a 1-0 lead is insurmountable and unrecoverable. And then being proven right. Game after game after game.

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I dont think the additional blocked shots have anything to do with faith in their goaltender. Its more of a system switch having to do with coaching as well as the desire of the goaltender. Nabby would throw a conniption fit if someone screened him while trying to block a shot.
Nabby needed to see those shots cleanly in order to react to them. Screening him and deflecting them reduced his ability to stop them.

Niemi, OTOH, isn't bothered by screens or tips because he doesn't react. He's often down on his knees before the shot is even released. Makes him susceptible to the corner shots and one-timers, but he rarely stops those even when he can see them clearly. The defense has to force the shots low and block everything else. If they don't, the Sharks would lose by touchdowns.

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05-08-2013, 10:49 PM
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I think the biggest issue we had with Nabby is that we never felt like he could steal us a series or carry up through a postseason. He was a good goalie, but thats all he ever was, just a good goalie. Never much better, never much worse. Made most of the saves he should (Gave up a softy 5 hole every once in awhile), but he never made the amazing saves.
And THAT is what I am arguing against here (mostly). People's feelings. Because it's not about stats, or facts, or performance.....it's just about a feeling.....from people that don't seem to really understand goaltending.

Nabby had several incredible series. Many of his efforts were wasted on teams that didn't score. Short of JS Giguere nearly going the entire WCF without giving up a goal in 2003, I can't think of another single successful team in modern play that made it all the way to the SCF on such little offensive output. It is a TEAM game.

Nabokov made many amazing saves. His robbery of Brad Richards in that 2008 Game 6 OT is one of the most amazing saves in modern playoff history. All he needed from his offense was two goals over 7 periods....and he couldn't even get that much.

He DID have great series. He DID make great saves. He DID carry his team at times. No, not every single series or every single game. But one can only carry a team so long by oneself. You can't lose a 0-0 playoff game, but you can't win a 0-0 playoff game either. At a certain point, the offense needs to score, too. If they don't, you lose.

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You are completely right. The reason the sharks lost most of those playoff games is because their scoring didnt come through. But thats how the playoffs are, you cannot always rely on scoring your way to wins. Your goaltender needs to put up 0, 1, 2 goals per game.
Yes. Which Nabby did. Frequently.

Over his last 3 postseasons with the Sharks, he allowed 2 goals or fewer in regulation 15 times. The team's record in those games? 7-8.

The Sharks were a sub-.500 team, even in the games where Nabby was phenomenal.

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2012: Quick 1.41 GAA .946SV
2011: Thomas 1.98 GAA .940SV
2010: Niemi 2.63 GAA .910SV
2009 MAF 2.67GAA .912SV
2008 Osgood 1.55 GAA .930SV
Average Goals Scored Per Game

2012 Kings: 3.00
2011 Bruins: 3.36
2010 Blackhawks: 3.55
2009 Penguins: 3.29
2008 Red Wings: 3.27

Nabokov's 2004 was very much the equivalent of any of those guys....1.71 GAA, .935 SV%....and that couldn't even get the Sharks to the SCF.

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In Nabbys last 4 years with the teams in the playoffs, he posted .920, .907 .890 .907 save %. Very bleh, nothing to write home about, certainly not the type of numbers that is going to carry a team to the cup.
Those numbers are on par with and arguably better than Niemi's or MAF's numbers in the years they won their Cups.

And save for maybe....MAYBE....Quick (and really not even him), none of those other goalies you listed "carried" their teams to the Cup. All the rest had some pretty darn potent offenses.

If a .920/.907/.907 SV% is just "very bleh" to you and isn't good enough....then what do you call a guy with .914/.910/.896 SV% and a 2.86 career GAA in the playoffs?

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watched his whole carrer, terrible playoff big game goalie

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Nabokov actually seems worse in this series than he did for the Sharks. There would be games where Nabby seemed unbeatable, but in every series Nabokov laid at least one egg. There was always at least one game where he would just get lit up and let in multiple soft goals. Some of those games the Sharks won despite Nabby

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I'd love for Lu to go to the Isles. That would be sweet. Hopefully he can get a cup with them and laugh all the way to Vancouver with his turn of the cup for sh**** and giggles.

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I'd love for Lu to go to the Isles. That would be sweet. Hopefully he can get a cup with them and laugh all the way to Vancouver with his turn of the cup for sh**** and giggles.
I wouldn't mind that for the short-term, maybe until our prospects develop. But right now we want someone a little younger..

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Another thing about Nabby is that he completely forgot how to stop the puck whenever he faced the Wings, especially at the Joe. I guarantee we don't get past Detroit in 2011 with him in net.

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05-09-2013, 12:37 PM
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This Islander fan did some research however. Sharks lack of scoring seem to be the main culprit. Can some of you try to look at this objectively and agree? I understand that he did give up a couple softies that demoralized the team here and there, but the stats speak for themselves.

p.s. He is playing his worst playoff hockey ever right now and we are still tied 2-2.
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Sharks playoff failures with nabby were always about lack of scoring more than goaltending.

I've watched all the pit vs islanders games and frankly other than a couple nabby has played great. The islanders are ****in horrific defenders and don't even deserve to be in that series. If they were competent at all defensively they would be up 3-1 because pit is the team with goaltending problems not the isls.

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The issue with Nabby was that he could never make the big save when we needed it.

We'd be dominating but have nothing to show for it on the scoreboard... The next shift, he lets in a weak wrister from the top of the faceoff circle and all the sudden we're down 1-0, despite outshooting 12-5... THen we start squeezing the stick and the whole game changes..
This is such horse ****. The problem was they would dominate never finish and rarely had the heart to score the next goal. Giving up a goal should never deter a good team. Sharks skater have typically been too mentally fragile.

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I'd love for Lu to go to the Isles. That would be sweet. Hopefully he can get a cup with them and laugh all the way to Vancouver with his turn of the cup for sh**** and giggles.
It won't matter who you put back there... Until the isles learn to play d they are gonna have to win by football scores.

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Nabby was a good playoff goalie, can't believe people think otherwise.

He's top 30 GAA of all time, for crying out loud.

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watched his whole carrer, terrible playoff big game goalie
This.

I'm sure in hindsight you can look at Nabby's stats and say they were good. But the softies and backbreaking goals he let in were brutal, and that doesn't reflect in the numbers.

He was a good goalie though, I just am much more confidant with Niemi now than I ever was with Nabby.

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Nabby was a good playoff goalie, can't believe people think otherwise.

He's top 30 GAA of all time, for crying out loud.
Because GAA is a great measure of a goaltender's ability.

Nabby was excellent in 03-04. He was pretty good in 06-07. Otherwise he was pretty bad. I'm not saying he was a choker, but he just wasn't as good a goaltender as we like to remember.

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The issue with Nabby was that he could never make the big save when we needed it...
nah, just the best save in the last 15 years in the playoffs:


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nah, just the best save in the last 15 years in the playoffs:

Definitely never clutch. Gutless, even.

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Nabby seemed worse than he actually was in the playoffs for the Sharks because the goalie against him frequently put up a spectacular series (Kiprusoff, Roloson, Hiller, Niemi all played out of their minds against the Sharks). So everyone remembers Nabby "getting outplayed" even though goalies obviously don't play against each other.

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If anyone is watching the NYI/Pitt game right now it's the PERFECT example of Nabokov in the playoffs.

You could say "the islanders haven't scored so its not Nabby's fault" which is partially true but if you watch the game you would KNOW the second goal was a back breaker! Series ender basically. And the other two were breakaways but Nabby couldn't make a big save on either. Meanwhile Vokoun has seen the same amount of shots but has made big saves.

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If anyone is watching the NYI/Pitt game right now it's the PERFECT example of Nabokov in the playoffs.

You could say "the islanders haven't scored so its not Nabby's fault" which is partially true but if you watch the game you would KNOW the second goal was a back breaker! Series ender basically. And the other two were breakaways but Nabby couldn't make a big save on either. Meanwhile Vokoun has seen the same amount of shots but has made big saves.
This. Another 4 goal performance.

And does anybody remember his massive chokes in the Olympics?

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This. Another 4 goal performance.

And does anybody remember his massive chokes in the Olympics?
Yeah he blew it for Russia....they should have started Bryzgalo.....err maybe they were doomed no matter what

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This. Another 4 goal performance.

And does anybody remember his massive chokes in the Olympics?
Did you get a look at their Olympic roster in 2010?

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I've been watchin all the Isle's games and have been feelin sorry for em'. They could've been up 3-0 with a better goalie. Didn't like Nabby in his later years, for all the Playoff softies and he is even worse now.

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