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05-09-2013, 02:06 AM
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Interesting Jagr Quote

From a recent article in the Boston Globe (http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/20...UYM/story.html)

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In one way, the speed of the NHL has made it hard for Jagr to keep up. But Jagr is now playing against smaller opponents who cant grab and hook and hold him when he goes to work. Jagrs trademark puck-protection game might be harder to defend now.

You hear, Hes older, hes losing a step, hes losing speed, Jagr said. In my opinion, I dont think I lost much. Im 240 [pounds]. Everybody else is at 180. When I played 10 years, 15 years ago, everybody was 240, 230. It was a different game. Dont forget that. I dont think Im slow for a 240-pound guy.

On the other side, I have a huge advantage on the boards. I never had it before 10-15 years ago. Just look at those defensemen who played before. It was all 6-5, 6-4. The league has changed to the smaller and faster guys. You have a disadvantage on one side, but you have a huge advantage on the other side.
With all of the talk of a "bigger, stronger, faster" "new" NHL, Jags admits that the league now favours smaller, faster players.

Why all the talk of bigger players in today's NHL? Marketing hype?

One note from the Bruins players when Jagr joined the team was that they could not get over how big Jagr is.

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Jagr has definitely lost a step lol. He's basically a depth guy/PP specialist. I really hope he doesnt hang around too long unless he gets to 700 goals.

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He's 42. Naturally he's lost more than one gear. Speed kills but it also dies first.

Although his effectiveness can be here and there, he's still amazing to watch. The fun part about watching Jagr now is that amongst current Bruins only Krejci can match his creative hockey mind and probably only Seguin has comparable hand skills.

It's like watching Brad Park during his last few seasons. Due to age and ever failing knees, during the last five + years of his career Park could barely skate at all.

He was still a very effective power play guy, however, due to his hockey mind and hands.

While playing the point, Park possessed a variety of head and shoulder fakes that regularly sent coverage men flying in multiple directions. As the coverage guy went swimming by, you'd notice that Park hadn't moved his feet much at all --- it was the implied threat that made the coverage player break formation.

Because most elite players are so physically gifted when young, it's sometimes easy to take for granted how hockey smart they tend to be. Just watch Sidney Crosby. If concussions don't waylay his career, at 40 Sir Sid-alot will still be amazingly effective.

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Jagr has definitely lost a step lol. He's basically a depth guy/PP specialist.
That's how Julien uses him in Boston, and honestly, before his flu (he didn't practice for 6 days) he was easily one of the best Bruins every night.
Not to mention leading a team in scoring in Dallas.

The guy may be old, but he's hardly a depth guy. At some point, Julien might actually use him on the top-6 again and find that out.

As for his quote... It's fairly easy to see and like Kadri said, "it takes ages to skate around Jagr".

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With the removal of the red line and a somewhat concerted effort to penalize obstruction, the game has sped up to the point where you need faster guys to compete. Gone are the lumbering powerforwards of yesteryear.

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While watching the Bruins-Leaf game last night, Jagr looked massive compared to the other Boston forwards. Looked like Dustin Byfuglien out there.

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"Everybody" today is 180lbs, "everybody" used to be 230lbs?

Ridiculous exaggeration.

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While its certainly a nice sentiment, its not like the DPE was devoid of small speedy guys. Kariya, for example, was every bit of a small superstar as a Patrick Kane is. Selanne, while a bit bigger, played a small man's hockey. Theo Fleury may have looked weaker in the DPE, but he probably had his best season in 2001. Yes, Lindros, Jagr, and Yashin were all dominant big men, but I don't think the change has been as drastic as he makes it out to be.

The removal of the red light and a decrease in obstruction make guys "look" faster, if that makes any sense.

Jagr has certainly lost a step and I'm sure a lot of this speed talk is him trying to justify being slower.

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While its certainly a nice sentiment, its not like the DPE was devoid of small speedy guys. Kariya, for example, was every bit of a small superstar as a Patrick Kane is. Selanne, while a bit bigger, played a small man's hockey. Theo Fleury may have looked weaker in the DPE, but he probably had his best season in 2001. Yes, Lindros, Jagr, and Yashin were all dominant big men, but I don't think the change has been as drastic as he makes it out to be.

The removal of the red light and a decrease in obstruction make guys "look" faster, if that makes any sense.

Jagr has certainly lost a step and I'm sure a lot of this speed talk is him trying to justify being slower.
Yes. Jagr is after all a pretty crazy man on a constant basis. It's like he lives in a world of his own.

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Jagr has certainly lost a step and I'm sure a lot of this speed talk is him trying to justify being slower.
Why would be he need justification? He's almost 42 lol.

The dude, for all his size, was really quick and fast at his peak.

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No, Jagr is right. The onus is on speed now and teams pack their lower lines with the cheapest, fastest players they can.

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While its certainly a nice sentiment, its not like the DPE was devoid of small speedy guys. Kariya, for example, was every bit of a small superstar as a Patrick Kane is. Selanne, while a bit bigger, played a small man's hockey. Theo Fleury may have looked weaker in the DPE, but he probably had his best season in 2001. Yes, Lindros, Jagr, and Yashin were all dominant big men, but I don't think the change has been as drastic as he makes it out to be.

The removal of the red light and a decrease in obstruction make guys "look" faster, if that makes any sense.

Jagr has certainly lost a step and I'm sure a lot of this speed talk is him trying to justify being slower.
Who played versus Jagr in the Dead Puck Era? Big defencemen, Big defensive forwards, big centres. Jagr wasn't facing that many 180-195 lb defencemen. There were certainly smaller players back then, but not many of them were put out to face peak Jagr. Now he is not a top liner (much), doesn't face the hardest checking lines. I can see what he is saying. Jagr is also probably stronger then he was 10-15 years ago. Years of training hard and keeping on the muscle is going to do that for someone like Jagr.

I really realized how absolutely huge Mario was when he came back from retirement. Jagr is the same kind of giant. I think both Mario and Jagr have easily been 235-245 lbs in their later years. Mario had to top 250 lbs when he first returned after 3+ years off.

Of course Jagr has to notice his lack of speed a lot. Because EVERYONE is faster while he is slower. Try to take the puck from him though, once he is skating with it. Once he can get his body between you and the puck. Speed means less at that point.

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Jagr has definitely lost a step or two in the speed department but he is still a very effective hockey player.

He can still protect the puck as good as anyone and has better hands and more creativity than most players today.

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Certainly is a player that has aged wonderfully. Still a pain in the neck to get the puck from. It isn't as if Jagr didn't have some jets before, but at any point in his career his main mantra wasn't speed. It wasn't like Bure for example or Lafleur who relied heavily on their speed. Jagr was just quick out there, but it was his hands, vision and strength that made him who he was.

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A (relatively) tiny player like Crosby would be abused to no end in the 90s, early 2000s. He'd be an injury prone concussed mess. Oh wait.

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Average weight of players this season is 203.5 lbs. There might be some truth in his words but he's exaggerating like crazy.

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