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05-08-2013, 05:45 PM
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After Buffalo took Grigs last year, and so far it has worked out well, i doubt they would let him slide past them at 8. Although i don't think he's going to slide at all. I think he will go top 5.

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05-08-2013, 05:49 PM
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Imagine Grigorenko centering Armia & Nichuskin. Deadly
Ya could be godlike or completely bust. LOL

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05-08-2013, 08:16 PM
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While it remains to be seen how Nichushkin's on-ice showing will affect his draft stock, the presumptive top-five pick muddied the situation last week by telling reporters he plans to play out the duration of his KHL contract, which expires in 2015. He said he wanted to model is career arc on Vladimir Tarasenko, 21, who was drafted 16th overall in 2010 by the St. Louis Blues, but struck an agreement with the NHL team that allowed him to play two full seasons with Sibir Novosibirsk before moving to North America earlier this year.
I'd say the chances he falls out of the top 5 just spiked big time.
http://en.rsport.ru/hockey/20130501/659962228.html

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05-08-2013, 08:19 PM
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After Buffalo took Grigs last year, and so far it has worked out well, i doubt they would let him slide past them at 8. Although i don't think he's going to slide at all. I think he will go top 5.
Grigorenko was playing in North America, and wasn't signed to a professional contract in a league that has no transfer agreement with the NHL.

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05-08-2013, 08:19 PM
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I'd say the chances he falls out of the top 5 just spiked big time.
http://en.rsport.ru/hockey/20130501/659962228.html
Ugh...

On one hand, this makes it likely he will be around at 9 for the Devils.. but on the other hand, this means he's 2+ years away from making an impact.

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05-08-2013, 09:29 PM
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I'd say the chances he falls out of the top 5 just spiked big time.
http://en.rsport.ru/hockey/20130501/659962228.html
This is a bad thing, why exactly? He develops in arguably the second best league in the world against men. Most of these kids won't play in the NHL for at least two years anyway. And the ones that do likely won't make an impact on their team. Really don't get why people are worried about it... This development path seemed to work great for Tarasenko.

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I'd say the chances he falls out of the top 5 just spiked big time.
http://en.rsport.ru/hockey/20130501/659962228.html
So he's going to take two post-draft season's to develop and become a better player, and then come over to the NHL. You know, the same kind of development arc that many players do in the CHL, the SEL, the FEL, the NCAA...

The Russian fear is absolutely retarded...

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05-08-2013, 09:53 PM
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If only he sliped to 13.

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05-09-2013, 06:39 AM
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If the 'Russian factor' or anything else makes Nicushkin a massive gamble then it is easy to see teams pass him up in favour of someone more reliable. However with Columbus and Calgary both having three first round picks they are teams who can afford to risk throwing one away.

Ergo if Nicushkin begins to drop like a stone either of these two teams might be prepared to take a gamble. This means there is no way he will fall past the lower of the second choice by these franchises. I'd guess the lowest is late teens, though I think he will go higher.

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Nichushkin's stats say he played games in the VHL this year...what's the VHL?

Additionally, I'm trying to get a read on this guy's game. He's big, and I've read that he's an elite skater. Can blow by people. What other facets does he have to his game? How's his hockey sense? Shoot first or pass first?

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05-09-2013, 09:19 AM
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My worry would be that he plays so well in his final year in the KHL that they offer him a crazy ammount of money and he chooses to stay in the KHL. This is why I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. If they offered him 5-7m a year to stay why on earth would he come over to NA ice to play for an entry level contract for 3 years...

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VHL is tier 2 KHL.

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05-09-2013, 09:21 AM
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Nichushkin's stats say he played games in the VHL this year...what's the VHL?

Additionally, I'm trying to get a read on this guy's game. He's big, and I've read that he's an elite skater. Can blow by people. What other facets does he have to his game? How's his hockey sense?
Shoot first or pass first?
Shoot first. Can pass well but usually doesn't. Pretty good hockey sense but not spectacular. His skating and shooting are his best points.

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05-09-2013, 09:27 AM
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I'd say the chances he falls out of the top 5 just spiked big time.
http://en.rsport.ru/hockey/20130501/659962228.html
No big deal. Let him spend time in the KHL, then come over and dominate like Tarasenko did at the beginning of the year before he got hurt.

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05-09-2013, 10:38 AM
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It would be understandable if a team didn't want to risk a top five-ish pick on him. I think he'll go at number 9. I'll be shocked if it's any lower than 12.

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05-09-2013, 10:49 AM
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Haha, totally forgot about that.
I just can't imagine he slips past Philly, and even if he does then there are still three teams with multiple first round picks this year (CGY,CBJ,BUF) that would no doubt take a gamble on such a skilled player with one of their selections.
Calgary won't be a team taking a chance on him. They have other holes that will be filled before that (ie. C and D).

If anyone wants to see the impact the Russian factor can have, just look at what is happening with Kuznetsov. There is talk now of him never coming over to NA. That will absolutely scare teams.

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05-09-2013, 11:23 AM
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Grigorenko was playing in North America, and wasn't signed to a professional contract in a league that has no transfer agreement with the NHL.
Ya it's a pretty large difference in situations in reality. Being Russian is just about where it ends.

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05-09-2013, 11:51 PM
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I'm expecting him to go between 4-6. But, that really wasn't the question, question is how far CAN he slide? #9

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05-10-2013, 12:21 AM
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There is enough talent in this draft that I could see him fall out of the top 10 ala Cherapanov. (rip)

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05-10-2013, 04:57 PM
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If anyone wants to see the impact the Russian factor can have, just look at what is happening with Kuznetsov. There is talk now of him never coming over to NA. That will absolutely scare teams.
Is there a link for this?

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05-10-2013, 06:09 PM
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Is there a link for this?
Does there need to be? It's literally a concern (to some degree) for every Russian kid playing in Russia. No transfer agreement + the prospect of the KHL offering these kids big money while in the NHL they'd be on ELCs = concern about whether they'll ever even get a single game out of that draft pick.

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05-10-2013, 11:53 PM
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Does there need to be? It's literally a concern (to some degree) for every Russian kid playing in Russia. No transfer agreement + the prospect of the KHL offering these kids big money while in the NHL they'd be on ELCs = concern about whether they'll ever even get a single game out of that draft pick.
If something has changed recently regarding Kuznetsov -- "there is talk now..." -- then a link would be helpful. So, yes.

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05-11-2013, 07:48 PM
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I think he won't get past NJ.
I could also see CGY taking a risk in picking him, they need a franchise forward (probably a big center) and a defenseman.

If not, then I definitely see Buffalo taking them to play along with Griggs

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Calgary won't be a team taking a chance on him. They have other holes that will be filled before that (ie. C and D).

If anyone wants to see the impact the Russian factor can have, just look at what is happening with Kuznetsov. There is talk now of him never coming over to NA. That will absolutely scare teams.
Not sure about that ;

http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks...ls-in-2014-15/

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Far. He can slide far. Do not underestimate the extent to which NHL teams are fearful of taking Russians.

Now this talk of a new KHL contract. If Nichushkin is anything less than praiseworthy of the NHL in his draft interviews, expect a considerable tumble at the draft.

Not that it really matters. Who cares who takes you and where, as long as they take you. Then the real games begin.

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