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05-08-2013, 02:24 PM
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Absolutely fair, but it's still poor asset management to turn down this trade. Leafs could really use Luke Schenn for these playoffs, but yet JVR has been our best forward. However, these players aren't comparable.

I'm not going to debate you on the details, because frankly it's just not worth it. Both players are staying and both will play a huge part on their team.
You think it's poor asset management because you are convinced Kadri is the more valuable player.

Jets fans think Bogosian is the more valuable player, and it's not just relative value to the Jets either.

You can think that Jets fans are wrong all you want, it doesn't make you right. Each side believes that their player is the best player in the deal. Agree to disagree then and move on.

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05-08-2013, 02:28 PM
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Absolutely fair, but it's still poor asset management to turn down this trade. Leafs could really use Luke Schenn for these playoffs, but yet JVR has been our best forward. However, these players aren't comparable.

I'm not going to debate you on the details, because frankly it's just not worth it. Both players are staying and both will play a huge part on their team.
I will agree to disagree that this is poor asset management for the Jets to turn down this deal and will agree wholeheartedly that both players are staying put and will play a huge part in their respective teams futures. Here’s hoping that Kardi continues to produce at similar levels over a larger sample size while stepping up his roll and that Bogosian can continue to grow his O game as he starts to enter his prime. Some non trades are the best trades like the leafs not selling the farm to get Lou this past season.

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Reimer was the biggest part of it, Kadri was second.

Alright I don't know what stat you're looking at, he isn't in the top 5 for QOC. In fact he's not even close.

Kadri won't sustain a 14.44%. Just like he probably won't put up 77 points in a season. Nobody really cares. He's still our #1 C of the future.
From behindthenet. 2012-2013 QOC, defensemen with 5 games played. He's fifth.

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05-08-2013, 02:49 PM
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To Toronto

Bogosian

To Winnipeg

Kadri


Is this enough, who has to give up more and would there be interest. As a Leaf fan I`d like to sell Kadri high and live with the consequences if the blossoms elsewhere. Both are RFAs and I think Bogosian could help the Leafs more. Thoughts.
Leafs say no because he will be apart of their team for a long time to come.

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05-09-2013, 09:06 AM
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From behindthenet. 2012-2013 QOC, defensemen with 5 games played. He's fifth.

http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_statistics.php?ds=11&s=11&f1=2012_s&f2=5v5&f4= D&f7=5-&c=0+1+3+5+4+6+7+11+12+13+14+15+16#


Just backing up a fellow Jets fan

If you look at >= 10 GP, he's 4th (Brett Bellemore for Carolina had only 8 GP)

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05-09-2013, 03:44 PM
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Leafs say no.

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05-09-2013, 04:26 PM
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Kadri won't go anywhere.

I'd love to move Phaneuf though. The only question is what team adds to that. Phaneufs reputation around the league seems to be that of a top 10-15 dman, whereas Bogosian a 20-30 dman?

Now personally I don't value them that way, but I'm biased. Point is what would WPG add assuming the value is correct and it is an upgrade on D?

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05-09-2013, 04:30 PM
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Um, Toronto would be adding to phaneuf for Bogosian.
No thanks to that either..

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05-09-2013, 06:48 PM
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Kadri won't go anywhere.

I'd love to move Phaneuf though. The only question is what team adds to that. Phaneufs reputation around the league seems to be that of a top 10-15 dman, whereas Bogosian a 20-30 dman?

Now personally I don't value them that way, but I'm biased. Point is what would WPG add assuming the value is correct and it is an upgrade on D?
Nothing, since Phaneuf's one year remaining on his contract and his age decrease any higher "value ranking" he might have.

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05-09-2013, 06:48 PM
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Kadri won't go anywhere.

I'd love to move Phaneuf though. The only question is what team adds to that. Phaneufs reputation around the league seems to be that of a top 10-15 dman, whereas Bogosian a 20-30 dman?

Now personally I don't value them that way, but I'm biased. Point is what would WPG add assuming the value is correct and it is an upgrade on D?
In this land of pretend trades you are not going to get many if any Jets posters that would trade Bogo for Phaneuf. Their value is already pretty close and Bogo is 5 years younger. Phaneuf is pretty much a finished product. Bogo still offers the hope of more. Besides Bogo is easily one of the top fan favorites on the team. The kid is loved in Winnipeg and the feeling seems to be mutual.

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05-09-2013, 08:19 PM
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Fair value but I'd rather have Kadri if I were the leafs. A #1 d-man isn't really a need for Toronto. Already have Phaneuf, Rielly is on the way, and Gardiner could possibly be that good as well.

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05-10-2013, 12:43 AM
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My sentiments exactly. Keep your 17 SH% Centre. We'll keep our Norris defenceman.

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My sentiments exactly. Keep your 17 SH% Centre. We'll keep our Norris defenceman.
He won the Norris? Which year was that?

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I'd probably do it and still add as a Leaf fan if we could resign Bozak to a contract under 3.5 and Weiss to something under 5. Ultimately it would make our team better now and in the future, however it would be tough to see Kadri go.

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05-10-2013, 07:45 AM
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I would say that Bogosian has a bit higher value than Kadri, but the Leafs are so weak at center that Kadri is more valuable to us...but we could absolutely use a high-end RH d like Bogosian if the price were right...

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05-10-2013, 09:54 AM
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Here's a better question...

Who would win in a fight? Phaneuf or Bogo...

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05-10-2013, 11:50 AM
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My sentiments exactly. Keep your 17 SH% Centre. We'll keep our Norris defenceman.
I like Bogo but wuh?

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In this land of pretend trades you are not going to get many if any Jets posters that would trade Bogo for Phaneuf. Their value is already pretty close and Bogo is 5 years younger. Phaneuf is pretty much a finished product. Bogo still offers the hope of more. Besides Bogo is easily one of the top fan favorites on the team. The kid is loved in Winnipeg and the feeling seems to be mutual.
I value Phaneuf even lower than Bogo, so no argument from me. Phaneuf is a top 4 Dman to me, because he can't play the big minutes and not make mistakes. You can't make mistakes when you're the top pairing guy.

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My sentiments exactly. Keep your 17 SH% Centre. We'll keep our Norris defenceman.
Wow..............

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Yeah I'm positive that Winnipeg thinks more highly of Bogosian then they do of Kadri. No way in the world do they do this deal.

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05-10-2013, 12:38 PM
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Yeah I'm positive that Winnipeg thinks more highly of Bogosian then they do of Kadri. No way in the world do they do this deal.
Judging by some of the posts, that would be quite an understatement

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Wow..............
Ya, calling him a "Norris defencemen " is definitely inaccurate. He has that potential, but isn't there yet.

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I prefer Bogo to Kadri, but I don't think this trade would be a steal for either side.

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