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05-09-2013, 08:56 PM
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He has much work to do, but less than when he took the job. No monstrous mistakes in his first year at the helm.
DD for 4 more years @ 3.5 M cap hit is a monstrous mistake.

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05-09-2013, 08:56 PM
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Good moves:
-tried to get Torres at the deadline
-called up Tinordi & Beaulieu at the right times & gave them confidence
-...tried to add toughness by claiming Cool Ranch Sestitos
-didn't try to do too much, I guess that can be a good thing
-Halpern

Bad:
-traded away the only other forward than Gallagher that would go to the dirty areas to score, didn't replace him
-Colby Armstrong took up a roster spot all year
-didn't trade Diaz when his value was high
-threw mad cash at DD like he was on a game show
-re-signed Bouillon as the supposed sheriff on the back end & called it a day
-didn't want Westgarth, MacLaren or Kassian for free


Jesus what does it say when 3 of my goodies are right intention?
So trying to do something is a good move?

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05-09-2013, 08:57 PM
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anyone hat thinks this team is a couple of players away from being a contender is delusinal. The last two months including the playoffs they have been blown out almost every second game. To small and soft on the D, to soft and small on the front and goaltending is a question mark. Coaching needs to be looked at as well.
Well if Crosby & Chara were the 2 players...

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Good moves:
-tried to get Torres at the deadline
-called up Tinordi & Beaulieu at the right times & gave them confidence
-...tried to add toughness by claiming Cool Ranch Sestitos
-didn't try to do too much, I guess that can be a good thing
-Halpern

Bad:
-traded away the only other forward than Gallagher that would go to the dirty areas to score, didn't replace him
-Colby Armstrong took up a roster spot all year
-didn't trade Diaz when his value was high
-threw mad cash at DD like he was on a game show
-re-signed Bouillon as the supposed sheriff on the back end & called it a day
-didn't want Westgarth, MacLaren or Kassian for free


Jesus what does it say when 3 of my goodies are right intention?

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**** this season, the future is bright, Go Habs.

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05-09-2013, 08:58 PM
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People are dreaming if they thing Gionta and Desharnais will be moved.

They'll be back, unfortunately.

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05-09-2013, 08:59 PM
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Low balling Subban and giving that ridiculous contract to Desharnais...yeah..

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05-09-2013, 08:59 PM
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When your only move at the trade deadline is signing Davis Drewiske (where the hell has he been anyway?), you are letting the rest of the NHL know that either you have no idea what you are doing or you are signaling to the rest of the NHL that you have surrendered a very good season and are not serious about competing in the playoffs.

I was one of the most vocal about Bergevin not taking any action during a very good season. He basically threw the season away.

That decision sucks for the Habs players who competed hard without management giving them some help.

Maybe Bergevin will learn......or maybe he is just another incompetent Montreal GM.

We will find out soon enough with the moves he makes. So far not encouraged by what I have seen but hope he makes up for his biggest mistake of his short career.

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05-09-2013, 08:59 PM
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Worst:
-Signing Desharnais for 4 years
-Signing Bouillon for 1 more year
-Getting Sylvain Lefebvre for the bulldogs (or at least getting him without getting a good offensive assistant coach)

Best:
-Getting rid of Cole for Ryder and a 3rd
-Not wasting assets for overrated and slow defensemen
-Getting rid of Gomez

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05-09-2013, 09:02 PM
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So trying to do something is a good move?
That was Gauthier's redeeming quality. "At least he tried".

The losers mindset will be hard to break.

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05-09-2013, 09:02 PM
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Oh yeah wasting a 5th rounder on that whiskey guy. So ****ing bad. Not sure i'd give the passing grade to Bergevin this year.

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05-09-2013, 09:02 PM
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Bergevin had a good start but then he just ***** the bed...

Trading a top six physical player like Cole.
Desharnais contract was a huge mistake.
Not moving at the trade deadline to bolster the habs roster.
Not addressing the habs lack of size on defense.

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05-09-2013, 09:03 PM
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He made the team smaller, weaker and less physical. After years of being the smallest team in the league we start to move away from it and then he took another step backwards.

Gionta, Desharnais and Boullion need to be gone. DD is looking like a better buyout candidate than Kaberle who isn't even allowed to play!
Other than signing Prust, everything stunk. I'm now thinking he is another loser.

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When your only move at the trade deadline is signing Davis Drewiske (where the hell has he been anyway?), you are letting the rest of the NHL know that either you have no idea what you are doing or you are signaling to the rest of the NHL that you have surrendered a very good season and are not serious about competing in the playoffs.

I was one of the most vocal about Bergevin not taking any action during a very good season. He basically threw the season away.

That decision sucks for the Habs players who competed hard without management giving them some help.

Maybe Bergevin will learn......or maybe he is just another incompetent Montreal GM.

We will find out soon enough with the moves he makes. So far not encouraged by what I have seen but hope he makes up for his biggest mistake of his short career.
Drewiske was a "gainey" move, almost no effect on the team, just a move to say you actually did something. Gainey was well known for these because when he did make a big move it was generally a disaster. Hopefully Bergevin is a little better at trades.

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05-09-2013, 09:05 PM
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Worst:
-Signing Desharnais for 4 years
-Signing Bouillon for 1 more year
-Getting Sylvain Lefebvre for the bulldogs (or at least getting him without getting a good offensive assistant coach)
Completely agree with this, but add not extending Subban long term before the season.

Lefebvre better not be ****ing back in Hamilton next season..

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Ryder for Cole was a pretty good trade - minus Ryder's performance in the playoffs.

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05-09-2013, 09:06 PM
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Are people criticizing the Cole trade ??? I mean it was an awesome move by Berge the 3rd in a deep draft is worth a lot plus people were all pver Ryder 1 month ago and ready to give him 5M a year...

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Worst:
-Signing Desharnais for 4 years
-Signing Bouillon for 1 more year
-Getting Sylvain Lefebvre for the bulldogs (or at least getting him without getting a good offensive assistant coach)

Best:
-Getting rid of Cole for Ryder and a 3rd
-Not wasting assets for overrated and slow defensemen
-Getting rid of Gomez
all good valid point. in the long run, DD's status is dependent on what we do at center. he's not a long term number 1, just doesn't have the resiliency to go deep. he needs big guys to insulate him and to follow, more so that leading.

i think looking towards the future, MB stuck to his game plan and didn't give up assets for temporary fixes. i think management was hopeful, but also realistic that this wasn't our year.

i hate to say it but, our goaltending is a question mark that i don't think they anticipated but must seriously look into for our future well-being.

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05-09-2013, 09:10 PM
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DD for 4 years isn't looking too good.

Was he even playing hurt? If he's 100% healthy, but is completely neutralized by Max being hurt then it's hard to see his value as a player.

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When I look back he didn't really have a good year. I have to have hope though there's not much else we fans can do.

Best Move:
Getting Prust
The Ryder for Cole deal frees up valuable cap space

Worst Move(s):
Not signing Subban long term

Signing DD to 4 years
The Drewiske trade didn't help us one iota in the playoffs he should have done more at the deadline

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05-09-2013, 09:12 PM
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Bergevin had a good start but then he just ***** the bed...

Trading a top six physical player like Cole.
Desharnais contract was a huge mistake.
Not moving at the trade deadline to bolster the habs roster.
Not addressing the habs lack of size on defense.
Cole was not in physical nor mental shape to play a season tbis year. He is also possibly the one who demanded a trade to assure his kids would continue their education in US system.

Right now it ks very easy to say that the contract to DD was a mistake. Same as we are co.ing back on some past drafts. The guy had 60 ****ing points last season. He may still rebound.

I agree that he should at least get one or two big bodies for the bottom lines + a better d man than Drewiske.

Yes, size matters on D and everywhere in the line up.

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05-09-2013, 09:14 PM
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When I look back he didn't really have a good year. I have to have hope though there's not much else we fans can do.

Best Move:
Getting Prust

The Ryder for Cole deal frees up valuable cap space

Worst Move(s):
Not signing Subban long term

Signing DD to 4 years

The Drewiske trade didn't help us one iota in the playoffs he should have done more at the deadline
Why worry about Subban ? The guy will make more in one year from now than what he could had signed last January. Good for him.

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05-09-2013, 09:17 PM
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Cole was not in physical nor mental shape to play a season tbis year. He is also possibly the one who demanded a trade to assure his kids would continue their education in US system.

Right now it ks very easy to say that the contract to DD was a mistake. Same as we are co.ing back on some past drafts. The guy had 60 ****ing points last season. He may still rebound.

I agree that he should at least get one or two big bodies for the bottom lines + a better d man than Drewiske.

Yes, size matters on D and everywhere in the line up.
Cole said he was asked to waive, told MB he'd have to call Ray Whitney to see if Dallas was right first.

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05-09-2013, 09:19 PM
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Pros
Trade Cole
Stand pat at trade deadline

Cons
Therrien
Didn't lock up suban, big mistake
Give bouillon a extension
Give DD an extension

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Bouillon is a bad move but at the same time we clearly saw Tinordi wasn't ready in the series. The Eller injury unfortunately highlighted a big problem at the center position. Guys like Halpern just doesn't cut it as 3rd/4th line centers. One of DD or Plek will have to play on the wing next season as Galchenyuk will need to play center. Gorges isn't as effective as he once was anymore and Diaz was scared in the playoffs, 2 problems on the D that were shadowed by a great season as a team.

Anyway, the 3rd and 4th line HAS to get bigger and play a cycle game in the O-zone to fatigue the other team. Bouillon needs to be switched with a big guy clearing the net and hopefully able to fight while still able to play the puck, kinda like Methot or Gryba.I know these are hard to get but it's a must as Tinordi looks at least a couple of years away from that level.

The draft day is ahead and Bergevin will have opportunities to address some of the problems but let's not forget that if you switch the goalies, we win in 4 or 5...

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what have you done for me lately : the thread

you guys have pretty short memory/are too emotionnal about the lost

+Complete new mentality around the team, got us out of the gainey/gauthier lockdown, THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING
+Therrien, he got outcoached by the walrus but I still believe he's a good coach
+gave a real chance to the youngsters (Tinordi, Gallagher, Galchenyuk, Beaulieu, Dumont)
+Got rid of Cole at the right moment
+Got rid of Gomez
+kept a good amount of picks for what should be the best draft in years
+Halpern for free
+Budaj Extension
+Brendan Prust.
+Bouillon (I know people here don't like him, but he does a decent job most of the time and deserved to retire as a Canadiens)
+set us up for a bright future, gave me hope that this team is going in the right direction for the first time in 15 years
++his name is not Pierre Gauthier

-DD contract
-Moen
-Armstrong
-trade deadline, couldve added a little more to this team

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