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05-09-2013, 11:58 PM
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Is there some sort of conspiracy based rational that can explain to me why Horst and Durbin are still playing in Major League Baseball?

Wtf happened to Michael Stutes? There's absolutely NO POSSIBLY WAY he's worse than either of those two. It's just not possible.

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Or even DeFratus.

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Why the hell can't Hamels ever get any run support!?

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Why the hell can't Hamels ever get any run support!?
Because the team can't generate runs period?

This team is awful. It has nothing to do with hamels and everything to do with the fact that the team is just a bad team. It's poorly constructed. the ship has sailed on the guys who are supposedly your production players, and the young guys are all disappointments in almost every fashion.

Essentially everyone needs to go. Including charlie. Not a single name besides hamels should be safe. Start stockpiling draft picks and hope you find a Bryce Harper or a Mike Trout like player you can sculpt the future around.

Until then, bring up the young guys. I'd rather be bad with a bunch of new, young faces, than bad with the same old irritating jackasses.

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Even with Halladay's struggles the starting pitching hasn't been that bad. They're 3rd in the majors with 22 quality starts. It's their hitting that is awful. 23rd in team batting average, 27th in on base percentage, 25th in slugging percentage.

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Is there some sort of conspiracy based rational that can explain to me why Horst and Durbin are still playing in Major League Baseball?

Wtf happened to Michael Stutes? There's absolutely NO POSSIBLY WAY he's worse than either of those two. It's just not possible.
Because this team is run by complete and utter morons. How many teams have we seen this year with a stud young pitcher in his early 20s? Yet we don't even think about bringing our great young guys up. No that's just preposterous! They need at least another 5 years wasting away in the minors.

Then we've got the coaching putting out stupid lineups. I don't even know why Jimmy is playing right now, he sucks just as bad as Revere leading off. Playing the infield back with the fricking pitcher up? Our pitchers throw cutters 15% of the time for most in the league. Seriously, no one has one iota of a clue what they are doing out there. They just all go out and throw **** at the wall every night and sometimes it works but most of the time it doesn't.

Yet every time someone questions Amaro, he talks down to them like they are some sort of idiot. No you smug *******, you are the idiot. You have taken a World Championship team and torn it down until we are left with a bunch former all stars desperately trying to save a sinking ship filled with Delmon Youngs and Chad Durbins. You sir, fail.

What you should do: Bring up Ruf, DeFratus, Stutes, Morgan. Cut Durbin, D. Young, Horst. Fire Manuel and Dubee.
What you wil do: Sit around and pick your nose while your team treads water. Continue to bury every prospect you have in the minors.

I would fire the whole damn staff of them without a second thought. Utley, Hamels, Lee, Kendrick, M. Young, Brown, Pabelbon, and Howard, thank you for being the only things decent about this year. I'm sorry that you have to be dragged down by this sad excuse of a ball club. [/RANT]

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Is there some sort of conspiracy based rational that can explain to me why Horst and Durbin are still playing in Major League Baseball?

Wtf happened to Michael Stutes? There's absolutely NO POSSIBLY WAY he's worse than either of those two. It's just not possible.
Stutes isn't really that good, but I'd rather roll with him than Durbin. But I seriously do not get how De Fratus is not on this team. Seriously this is the 4th year he's shown he's capable of putting up more than solid numbers in the minors.

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De Fratus is absolutely a headscratcher. I like Michael Young despite his woeful slugging and his stupid double plays, but the dude can hit the ball and hit for average, which is something. I like his approach, and I wish we had dudes that could GET HITS.

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De Fratus is absolutely a headscratcher. I like Michael Young despite his woeful slugging and his stupid double plays, but the dude can hit the ball and hit for average, which is something. I like his approach, and I wish we had dudes that could GET HITS.
Definitely. Here's his numbers.

2010: (AA) 24.2 IP, 10.22 k/9, 1.82 BB/9, 5.60 k/BB, 2.19 ERA, 2.59 FIP

2011: (AA) 34.1 IP, 11.27 k/9, 3.67 BB/9, 3.07 k/BB, 2.10 ERA, 2.56 FIP

(AAA) 41 IP, 12.29 k/9, 2.41 BB/9, 5.09 k/BB, 3.73 ERA, 2.44 FIP

2012: (AAA) 21.2 IP, 9.14 k/9, 1.25 BB/9, 7.33 k/BB, 2.49 ERA, 2.78 FIP

(MLB) 10.2 IP, 6.75 k/9, 4.22 BB/9, 1.60 k/BB, 3.38 ERA, 3.00 FIP

2013: (AAA) 18.0 IP, 7.50 k/9, 3.00 BB/9, 2.50 k/BB, 1.50 ERA, 2.87 FIP

2012 was his injury year, so maybe the only reason he is down in AAA is because they want to get him back up to speed down there first before bringing him up? I don't know, I'm just trying to find a reason.

I know there's a couple people on here that have seen him pitch, does it seem like his injury has made him less effective? His K's are down and BB's are up, but its only been 18 innings, a couple more good innings and those numbers could be right in line with where they were before.

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05-10-2013, 10:38 AM
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At least Dom Brown is playing fairly decent lately...

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This is I think we should be looking at for a line-up:

Galvis
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Young
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Brown
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Definitely. Here's his numbers.

2010: (AA) 24.2 IP, 10.22 k/9, 1.82 BB/9, 5.60 k/BB, 2.19 ERA, 2.59 FIP

2011: (AA) 34.1 IP, 11.27 k/9, 3.67 BB/9, 3.07 k/BB, 2.10 ERA, 2.56 FIP

(AAA) 41 IP, 12.29 k/9, 2.41 BB/9, 5.09 k/BB, 3.73 ERA, 2.44 FIP

2012: (AAA) 21.2 IP, 9.14 k/9, 1.25 BB/9, 7.33 k/BB, 2.49 ERA, 2.78 FIP

(MLB) 10.2 IP, 6.75 k/9, 4.22 BB/9, 1.60 k/BB, 3.38 ERA, 3.00 FIP

2013: (AAA) 18.0 IP, 7.50 k/9, 3.00 BB/9, 2.50 k/BB, 1.50 ERA, 2.87 FIP

2012 was his injury year, so maybe the only reason he is down in AAA is because they want to get him back up to speed down there first before bringing him up? I don't know, I'm just trying to find a reason.

I know there's a couple people on here that have seen him pitch, does it seem like his injury has made him less effective? His K's are down and BB's are up, but its only been 18 innings, a couple more good innings and those numbers could be right in line with where they were before.
There's nothing wrong with him. Amaro has been doing this all year. Durbin over DeFratus. Cloyd (major league experience) over Morgan. D. Young over Ruf. He will not give the younger guys a chance and the team is paying for it. At least if the young guys were playing it would be exciting.

But no let's just keep treading water. That makes sense.

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Isn't Cloyd pitching tonight?

It's more like, why the **** is it Durbin over Stutes? And why is it Horst over DeFratus? ****ed up stuff...

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i think lee and utley are the only two players where they could potentially get significant value for them.

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i think lee and utley are the only two players where they could potentially get significant value for them.
I don't think they can get anything significant for Utley. Free agent year with injury history. I don't think teams will be willing to give up something good for him. People keep naming the Beltran trade but that's not the standard. Especially when you have Amaro handling the negotiations.

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i think lee and utley are the only two players where they could potentially get significant value for them.
Rollins, Adams, and Papelbon. Probably not significant value, but they might be able to get something pretty good.

I don't know what the trade market usually is for closers, but I feel like it would probably be overvalued, which could work out nicely for us if they decided to move Papelbon..... Which they won't....

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I don't think they can get anything significant for Utley. Free agent year with injury history. I don't think teams will be willing to give up something good for him. People keep naming the Beltran trade but that's not the standard. Especially when you have Amaro handling the negotiations.
I agree with the RAJ thing.

But Utley would have good value to a team trying to win this year. 2B isn't a strong position, they know Utley has playoff experience and leadership, and will fit in any clubhouse. Plus he is versatile in a lineup, can basically hit anywhere from 2 through 7. Kind of player who can push a team over teh edge. A good GM would be able to get good value for him.

Michael Young may have a little value if he continues to hit. Not great value, but some.

And Lee has value if we move him. Still basically a #1 starter.

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All I know is if they start moving players before firing Charlie I am going to scream. Between him and Amaro, any player we get for those guys will be misused and abused for years before they actually can do their jobs.

Dom Brown'd to death. I'm still amazed that kid can still function after all the stuff they put him through.

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I don't think they would fire Charlie mid-season. If the team goes down the tubes they'll just let him go in the offseason.

And there's absolutely no reason not to have De Fratus up now. Durbin sucks. Stutes hasn't been great overall this season, but he has been on a roll lately. 13 Ks to 3 BBs in his last 13.2 innings (11 hits- 5 of which came in one inning).

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Another genius move Ruben made was getting rid of Schierholtz. I was adamant in wanted him in a platoon for either center or left, and he would have been cheap. Now he is tearing it up in Chicago.

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Another genius move Ruben made was getting rid of Schierholtz. I was adamant in wanted him in a platoon for either center or left, and he would have been cheap. Now he is tearing it up in Chicago.
Bro, ease up. His WAR is 0.4 for the season. Revere's is only 0.3 behind him.

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I don't think they would fire Charlie mid-season. If the team goes down the tubes they'll just let him go in the offseason.

And there's absolutely no reason not to have De Fratus up now. Durbin sucks. Stutes hasn't been great overall this season, but he has been on a roll lately. 13 Ks to 3 BBs in his last 13.2 innings (11 hits- 5 of which came in one inning).
But see that is their problem. It's time to let go. Honestly, this team should not be 16-20. They should be much worse. Utley, Lee, etc., are keeping them in things. The coaching staff is actively failing them. Just give these guys a chance with someone new at the helm. There are so many things I would do before trading away the franchise guys. Firing the manager and bringing up some young guys would be a good start.

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Hi guys, just want to pop in for a question in the midst of the doom and gloom.

I'm heading to Philadelphia in June to watch a couple of games in the beginning of the month. Do you think I'll have any troubles getting tickets?

It went fine last year, but that was in September in a losing season, and while this season isn't looking up, it won't be done by early June.

I don't think I would have any problems getting tickets for the games, but I wanted to check with you guys.

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Another genius move Ruben made was getting rid of Schierholtz. I was adamant in wanted him in a platoon for either center or left, and he would have been cheap. Now he is tearing it up in Chicago.
I'm just mad that he was included in the Pence deal. I said that the day of the trade. You knew he wasn't a long term piece. Should have gotten a different piece. It was like Ruben did the Giants a favor by taking him off their hands.

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Hi guys, just want to pop in for a question in the midst of the doom and gloom.

I'm heading to Philadelphia in June to watch a couple of games in the beginning of the month. Do you think I'll have any troubles getting tickets?

It went fine last year, but that was in September in a losing season, and while this season isn't looking up, it won't be done by early June.

I don't think I would have any problems getting tickets for the games, but I wanted to check with you guys.
You won't have a problem getting tickets unless its a Yankees or Red Sox game (maybe?). I would suggest waiting as long as possible to get tickets. Considering demand these days you should be able to get a good deal by then.

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