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To ATL: Daniel Sedin, Henrik Sedin, 3rd Round Pick
To VAN: 1st Round Pick, Patrik Stefan, Kamil Piros
Why would the Nucks do that? It makes them a worse team now. There is no room for Piros on the Canucks and trading away both Sedins for one roster player who is about as good makes no sense.
it's not a bad proposal, however this includes Vancouver giving up 2/3rd's of their second line. and for a team in the hunt for the cup it doesn't make much sense to rebuild.
Makes zero sense from a Canucks' perspective. They're trying to win now, trading the Sedins for a pick and one similar player in Stefan makes them a worse team now.
All the Sedins need is a sniper to play on a line with them. Has Crawford ever thought about putting Naslund or Morrisson on their line for a game and see what happens?
I'll bet you a lot of money both Danny and Henry have a multiple-point night if they play with Naslund for one game. If that doesn't work, the Nucks are so deep defensivley, they could afford to trade a defensmen like Sopel, Salo or Allen and a draft pick for a sniper like Anson Carter or Glen Murray..
The deal isn't bad, not even from a Nuck POV. They replace one of the Sedins with Stefan, which is a pretty lateral move itself, gain a quality depth player in Piros for a 3rd, but the difference in value lays between the first and the other Sedin. The Nucks could easily afford to play without them considering the fact they've been a huge dissapointment, yet again. Time's running out on the two and everyone related to Nucks hockey seems to agree. And I'm sure Stefan could provide the same, if not a greater value for one of them, the minimal value the other provided could be missed, especially for a potential top 10 pick. Could get the Nucks a much needed quality prospect.
The deal is solid, its only a bad deal if Vancouver fans would think that either one of the Sedins is the difference between a Stanley Cup and an early playoff exit. I'd do it from a Vancouver POV, not sure from Atlanta's perspective since I kinda view the pick as the most valueble asset.
Makes zero sense from a Canucks' perspective. They're trying to win now, trading the Sedins for a pick and one similar player in Stefan makes them a worse team now.
Thanks for saying exactly what I said.
Even if this trade is fair "value" it is a terrible idea for the Canucks. The Sedins could easily be 50-60 point 2nd line players. Stefan could as well, but Piros IMO is a minor leaguer. Yes we would get a first, but if the first turned out to be a 50 point player we would be very lucky. Based on potential, this is a very bad idea. Good thinking by an Atlanta fan though.
it's not a bad proposal, however this includes Vancouver giving up 2/3rd's of their second line. and for a team in the hunt for the cup it doesn't make much sense to rebuild.
Yes, but we do have some players in the minors & or other lines that we could use to rebuild a new 2nd line.
Cooke - Stephen - King
Arvedson - Chubarov - Linden
would make fairly good 2nd & 3rd lines plus we still have Kesler, Reid or Kavanagh we could bring up from the Moose.
The deal isn't bad, not even from a Nuck POV. They replace one of the Sedins with Stefan, which is a pretty lateral move itself, gain a quality depth player in Piros for a 3rd, but the difference in value lays between the first and the other Sedin. The Nucks could easily afford to play without them considering the fact they've been a huge dissapointment, yet again. Time's running out on the two and everyone related to Nucks hockey seems to agree. And I'm sure Stefan could provide the same, if not a greater value for one of them, the minimal value the other provided could be missed, especially for a potential top 10 pick. Could get the Nucks a much needed quality prospect.
The deal is solid, its only a bad deal if Vancouver fans would think that either one of the Sedins is the difference between a Stanley Cup and an early playoff exit. I'd do it from a Vancouver POV, not sure from Atlanta's perspective since I kinda view the pick as the most valueble asset.
Good post. The pick probably is "worth" the most, you are right. But the picks "worth" to the Canucks who are going for it now, is not as high as a Sedin who can contribute now. In my opinion.
If I deal the twins, I look for a deal where we get one player who is better than them, a 2 for 1. Might not be there, but getting Stefan for a Sedin is pointless IMO.
The Sedins could easily be 50-60 point 2nd line players.
So easily, that they still haven't maintained themselves as steady 30 point producers after 4/5 years in the NHL. Time's running out and I find it rather funny when someone labels the word "easy" and "60 points" to the Sedins after their continues dissapointing seasons.
Good post. The pick probably is "worth" the most, you are right. But the picks "worth" to the Canucks who are going for it now, is not as high as a Sedin who can contribute now. In my opinion.
If I deal the twins, I look for a deal where we get one player who is better than them, a 2 for 1. Might not be there, but getting Stefan for a Sedin is pointless IMO.
I agree. Though I'd like to see Stefan and the Sedins switch places. A chance of scenery might just help their careers. Stefan between Nas and Bert, while the Sedins line up with either Ilya or Heatley. I think both GM's would seriously consider this deal if it came accross.
So easily, that they still haven't maintained themselves as steady 30 point producers after 4/5 years in the NHL.
How's that? They are 30-40 point two-way forwards right now. Take a look at their stats. Going on 5 straight years of at least 30 points, how much more consistency is needed to be legite 30 point producers?
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Time's running out and I find it rather funny when someone labels the word "easy" and "60 points" to the Sedins after their continues dissapointing seasons.
Agreed. But they have the talent to be 50-60 point two-way forwards. More ice-time and a decent linemate, someone who is a proven offensive talent would only help them. So far, they haven't received either.
I wouldn't even consider this from a Canuck perspective. Every deal the Canucks make (within reason) must have the questioned tagged to it, 'Does this make the team immediatly better?'. This does not.
I would much rather the Canucks trade their picks off for players, rather than attain.
I agree. Though I'd like to see Stefan and the Sedins switch places. A chance of scenery might just help their careers. Stefan between Nas and Bert, while the Sedins line up with either Ilya or Heatley. I think both GM's would seriously consider this deal if it came accross.
If the Sedins were traded, I bet Burke would look to trade both for one more established player, otherwise, doesn't make much sense.
So easily, that they still haven't maintained themselves as steady 30 point producers after 4/5 years in the NHL. Time's running out and I find it rather funny when someone labels the word "easy" and "60 points" to the Sedins after their continues dissapointing seasons.
Both of them have had at least 30 points in every NHL season, except Henrik who had 29 as a rookie. They have established themselves as 30 point players with 12 or 13 minutes of ice time. Henrik had 39 points last year and his totals have only increased every season. I'd like more out of them, but at 23 years old they have established themselves as 30 point players with limited minutes, and have been improving. 60 points may be their absolute peak season, but I don't think 50 points is out of the question given their progress and age to date.
I agree. Though I'd like to see Stefan and the Sedins switch places. A chance of scenery might just help their careers. Stefan between Nas and Bert, while the Sedins line up with either Ilya or Heatley. I think both GM's would seriously consider this deal if it came accross.
it's obvious the deal is fair valuewise... but what you don't seem to understand is that the Canucks are trying to win the cup this year. a 1st round pick next season, a player that doesn't fit with the team, and a player that's struggling similarily to the players we are giving up for basically our 2nd line is not a good way to increase our cup chances... especially adding to the fact that the twins have been great playoff performers thusfar.
not to mention Stefan recieves 4 minutes more icetime per game than the Sedins, and produces at a similar level.
Stefan would not be put with Naslund and Bertuzzi as he is not a good fit, and would disrupt the chemistry that the 3 have.
I think it's a stupid deal, but that's because partly I personally expect Atlanta to make the playoffs, which makes the pick worth a lot less particularly in a top heavy draft such as the 2004 edition. If you think Atlanta won't make the playoffs, then it becomes a better proposal.
I think it's a stupid deal, but that's because partly I personally expect Atlanta to make the playoffs, which makes the pick worth a lot less particularly in a top heavy draft such as the 2004 edition. If you think Atlanta won't make the playoffs, then it becomes a better proposal.
I think if Atlanta picked up both Sedin's they would make the playoffs. They may not light the net up a ton, but they don't let the other team, either. Plus, I think they could potentially mesh well with one of Atlanta's talented wingers.
I think if Atlanta picked up both Sedin's they would make the playoffs. They may not light the net up a ton, but they don't let the other team, either. Plus, I think they could potentially mesh well with one of Atlanta's talented wingers.
I think they are making the playoffs regardless. I also think that would be a great deal for Atlanta. Stefan has shown little chemistry with any of the players on the team from an offensive standpoint, and while the Sedins don't put up numbers that are any better, if they do have some chemistry with someone (cough*Kovalchuk*cough) then it would work out really well for Atlanta. If they don't, they are still doing the same thing Stefan was: some point production and solid two-way hockey.
