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05-10-2013, 02:56 PM
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You have to keep Plek's. He is one of our better players no doubt both offensively and defensively. The deal with Plek's is, sometimes he's the only guy rushing up the ice with no support. The players around him makes him look bad at times.

He needs to be with players that show up and play hard. You put lazy ass players with him you won't get much production. You can say that about a lot of players. Some players look worse with better line mates. He's not going to skate through a whole team by himself.

Plek's needs to use that deadly shot of his more. I just don't see much of it from him lately. He could thread a needle. He's the guy that has to do the bulk of the work most times. The other players skate around with their thumb up their ass.

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05-10-2013, 03:18 PM
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and yet, he was our best player along the boards the whole serie despite not being big or physical, and he was our forward with most points, and he was also the top Face Off C in the league up till the 4th or 5th game ...


and that's what you call disappearing
And FYI I can play the stats game too. Yes Pleks had the most points among forwards BUT he also had the most ice time. And he had no goals and was second worst in +/- with a -5. So based on those stats, yeah, you could say he disappeared.

And is this how you debate in person: repeat something I say and then throw up a giant "help" sign?

Instead of looking for one sentence in my response you can call out and have a hissy fit over, maybe try to comprehend and appreciate my main point (which I don't think we're that far apart on), which is...

We aren't making a serious run for the cup for 2-3 years minimum. Now Plek's is a great all around player, but I don't see him as a No 1 now and, especially, not in a serious cup run. Instead, my hope is that Galchy will become a true No 1 center, and that Eller will become a bigger version of Pleks, except that, unlike Pleks, he'll be able to elevate his offensive game from time to time (as he showed he could this year) to really dominate play. If so, I see Plek's settling in at No 3 in 2-3 years time. I know many want to trade Plek's, but as long as Glachy and Eller pan out, I think we're better off (as long as he doesn't regress considerably in 2-3 years) keeping him.

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05-10-2013, 03:20 PM
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I can't believe there is a debate as to who we should keep between Plekanec and Desharnais.

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05-10-2013, 03:30 PM
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Yeah really what hockey did you people watch this year?

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05-10-2013, 03:39 PM
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Yeah really what hockey did you people watch this year?
Some people just don't get that by trading Plekanec you're really setting this team up for disaster. Hypothetically speaking you trade Plekanec, who takes his place as our #1 center? Desharnais? That would be terrible. Galchenyuk? Do you really want to rush him into the #1 center spot? I don't think Eller is a #1 center either. You can't trade Plekanec, he's the guy that keeps this engine running. He's our best center, and if you people are mad because he didn't meet your expectations in the Ottawa series then that's too bad. Although there were alot of players who played far worse than Pleks.

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05-10-2013, 04:52 PM
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Desharnais now has his money and has entered Gomez zone.
Not only is he nowhere near as overpaid as Gomez was, he also isn't nearly as bad as Gomez was.

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05-10-2013, 05:07 PM
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I can't believe there is a debate as to who we should keep between Plekanec and Desharnais.
Indeed. It's not hate against Desharnais. It's not the point. He's just clearly the odd man out.

Doesn't mean we should trade his ass tomorrow morning, especially with Gally still young. But the way it goes, I would go with Gally-Eller-Plekanec as our center line over the next few years WAY before giving a spot to Desharnais.

As others have said, Plekanec is our best center, and it's not even close. It's not just a question of points, it's a question of being able to be competitive in all areas of the game, and against all type of opponents. Desharnais is a specialist. Not saying he can't play 5v5 or anything like that, but compared to Pleky he's a tweener.

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05-10-2013, 06:17 PM
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Its possible that Desharnais could replace Plekanec in the future. That's why MB gave him that contract. I can see us dealing Plekanec + Gorges for Edler and Burrows. Vancouver might need a big shakeup. If we can get Konopka and a 2nd round pick this year for Diaz, then I would pull the trigger.

C-Galchenyuk (6'1 200lbs)
C-Eller (6'2" 210lbs)
C-Desharnais (5'2" 110lbs)
C-Konopka? (face/off specialist 58% + grit + can fight)
C-Dumont

LW-Pacioretty
LW-Bourque
LW-Burrows (via trade Van)
LW-Prust

RW-Gallagher
RW-Gionta
RW-Kristo
RW-Moen
RW-Leblanc

D-Subban
D-Edler (6'3" 220lbs) (via trade Van)
D-Markov
D-Emelin
D-Babchuk (6'5" 220lbs + PP specialist)
D-Tinordi (6'7" 230lbs)
D-Boullion

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05-10-2013, 06:19 PM
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Its possible that Desharnais could replace Plekanec in the future. That's why MB gave him that contract. I can see us dealing Plekanec + Gorges for Edler and Burrows. Vancouver might need a big shakeup. If we can get Konopka and a 2nd round pick this year for Diaz, then I would pull the trigger.

C-Galchenyuk (6'1 200lbs)
C-Eller (6'2" 210lbs)
C-Desharnais (5'2" 110lbs)
C-Konopka? (face/off specialist 58% + grit + can fight)
C-Dumont

LW-Pacioretty
LW-Bourque
LW-Burrows (via trade Van)
LW-Prust

RW-Gallagher
RW-Gionta
RW-Kristo
RW-Moen
RW-Leblanc

D-Subban
D-Edler (6'3" 220lbs) (via trade Van)
D-Markov
D-Emelin
D-Babchuk (6'5" 220lbs + PP specialist)
D-Tinordi (6'7" 230lbs)
D-Boullion

G-Price
G-Budaj
You can only think that if you don't watch hockey. Desharnais cannot fill Plekanec's tiny, feminine shoes.

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Building for the playoffs and slotting Desharnais into a 3rd/4th line centre role are mutually exclusive endeavours. And guess what... he doesn't produce (not just points either, but shots, scoring opportunities, etc, too) nearly enough to earn a top 6 spot in the playoffs, either, so... see ya Davey.

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05-10-2013, 06:27 PM
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Building for the playoffs and slotting Desharnais into a 3rd/4th line centre role are mutually exclusive endeavours. And guess what... he doesn't produce (not just points either, but shots, scoring opportunities, etc, too) nearly enough to earn a top 6 spot in the playoffs, either, so... see ya Davey.
Dehorsnais

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Not only is he nowhere near as overpaid as Gomez was, he also isn't nearly as bad as Gomez was.
Very true, people are freaking out. Desharnais has half the salary of Gomez and is still twice as good (or half as bad?)

By his own admittion he's had a bad season, he should be given a chance. Reactionary fans.

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05-10-2013, 06:44 PM
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05-10-2013, 06:52 PM
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The thing is, I feel people are focusing on Desharnais as a symbol of the size problem. I understand and agree with the fact that we must get bigger and grittier, in our top-6 and elsewhere. But for me the pressing need is to replace Ryder and eventually Gionta (one year left on his contract!) with bigger and better players, because we need those players to play those big minutes. Desharnais is just luxury. We can afford his secondary scoring for a while, but we can't afford not replacing vets that are leaving. And we don't have the prospect forward depth to replace them comfortably from within.

The good news is that with all these picks, we should be able to replenish our farm pretty well.

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05-10-2013, 06:58 PM
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Very true, people are freaking out. Desharnais has half the salary of Gomez and is still twice as good (or half as bad?)

By his own admittion he's had a bad season, he should be given a chance. Reactionary fans.
Actually, no it's not. Playoff lines of the two post seasons each has contributed to the Montreal Canadiens:

(season, age, games/goals/assists/points, TOI/game)

Gomez

'09/10, 30, 19/2/12/14, 21:10
'10/11, 31, 7/0/4/4, 19:42

Total: 26 GP, 18 Pts, 19-21 mins/night

Desharnais
'10/11, 24, 5/0/1/1, 11:04
'12/13, 26, 5/0/1/1, 17:14

Total: 10 GP, 2 Pts, 11-17 mins/night

Desharnais fans aren't going to like seeing that, but he hasn't even produced as well as Gomez, nor "earned" as much ice time, when it matters most. Less than half the cost for less than half the production/worth is fair enough though, I suppose... but if Desharnais must be compared to Gomez in order to justify his worth to this team...

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"On ne peut pas continuer avec DD and Plekanec comme 2 premiers centres"...

"Il s'est comporte comme une fillette,...tires de périphérie, il n'a jamais attaque le filet" Michel Villeneuve on Plekachu

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Its possible that Desharnais could replace Plekanec in the future. That's why MB gave him that contract. I can see us dealing Plekanec + Gorges for Edler and Burrows. Vancouver might need a big shakeup. If we can get Konopka and a 2nd round pick this year for Diaz, then I would pull the trigger.

C-Galchenyuk (6'1 200lbs)
C-Eller (6'2" 210lbs)
C-Desharnais (5'2" 110lbs)
C-Konopka? (face/off specialist 58% + grit + can fight)
C-Dumont

LW-Pacioretty
LW-Bourque
LW-Burrows (via trade Van)
LW-Prust

RW-Gallagher
RW-Gionta
RW-Kristo
RW-Moen
RW-Leblanc

D-Subban
D-Edler (6'3" 220lbs) (via trade Van)
D-Markov
D-Emelin
D-Babchuk (6'5" 220lbs + PP specialist)
D-Tinordi (6'7" 230lbs)
D-Boullion

G-Price
G-Budaj
I like Edler and Burrows but you don't know how valuable Pleks is to the Habs. He plays against the top lines, PK, PP and not with the best wingers. I saw him in person at games and he does alot of the little things that help win games. DD is okay if we had two big centers but we don't. Babchuk is horrible...big marshmallow.

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05-10-2013, 08:28 PM
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Desharnais is going to prove alot of people wrong this year. I really think he's going to end up with 70+ points. In fact, I'd like to see Pacioretty with Plekanec, and have Desharnais try to get either Bourque or Eller going on his left wing this year.
Desharnais had his critics this past season. Frankly, there should have been a lot more of them. He is no longer a petit darlin' in an atypical slump but someone who has a lot to prove. I'll predict the stars won't be in alignment for him to stage a triumphant comeback. I wonder who would take him off Bergevin's hands.

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"On ne peut pas continuer avec DD and Plekanec comme 2 premiers centres"...

"Il s'est comporte comme une fillette,...tires de périphérie, il n'a jamais attaque le filet" Michel Villeneuve on Plekachu
What's your point? Your naming some guy I've never heard of who clearly has no idea what he's talking about. Plekanec was very good in the playoffs, he played his game. Some of you say he doesn't step his game up come playoff time, maybe that's because he's our most consistent player and you don't notice his solid play every night. Although I'll give him something, we can't win with Desharnais as our second line center. Anyway we all know something is going to happen in the offseason as Therrien said that Galchenyuk is going to play center next year. I doubt MB is going to trade our best center when Galchenyuk still needs sheltering.

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All I know is that it better include Galchenyuk, Eller and Plekanec.

Desharnais traded would be an ideal scenario, although we know it won't happen.

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Get Desharnais out of here. Trade him for a 1st or a 2nd round pick.

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The idea is not who to choose between Desharnais and Plekanec. That's not how it works. It's who is more tradeable....and who can we got us more in return. To which the answer is real simple...Plekanec. Now, I would OBVIOUSLY prefer to move Desharnais. But like I keep saying, until the Nords come back....it won't happen. So if you have to move somebody, it will be Pleks.

Though, the end-result will be that they all will be returning next year. And I wouldn't even be surprised to see Galchy back on the wing.

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The idea is not who to choose between Desharnais and Plekanec. That's not how it works. It's who is more tradeable....and who can we got us more in return. To which the answer is real simple...Plekanec.

Now, I would OBVIOUSLY prefer to move Desharnais. But like I keep saying, until the Nords come back....it won't happen. So if you have to move somebody, it will be Pleks.
I don't think GM's trade the one with the highest value all the time, they're going to trade the one that makes more sense to deal. If you trade Plekanec this team is doomed.

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Next year, our top 3 centres will be: Eller, Plekanec and Galchenyuk.

In two years: Eller-Galchenyuk-Plekanec

Plekanec will finally be in his spot, as a very good third line center.

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