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05-10-2013, 02:24 PM
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The contract isn't terrible assuming he can go back to his production of last year. It can be movable to a team that needs offensive depth. However I question the timing of the extension. I think MB should have waited until the end of the season but I'm not a GM.
Even if DD keeps producing as he has this year, it'll still be movable.
I mean, in this horrible season, he still produced at a higher pace than .5, so I'm pretty sure teams that need offense could take a gamble on him. His contract isn't a big obstacle.
But yes, I agree that there was no need to entend him this early, same for Cube.

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05-10-2013, 02:44 PM
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Even at this year's production, 10-18-28 in 48 games translates to 17-31-48 in a full season, still in the #2 center range. His 5 on 5 production rate was pretty close to the same(0.49 vs 0.43) it's his PP points that dropped from 20/81 games to 7/48 games. His overall ice time dropped by 2 minutes which contributed to the drop in production.

What difference does waiting at the end of the season do? The guy is a RFA, you have 3 options, you re-sign, trade or non-tender him. Non tender would be moronic. Trading him opens a hole at center which you end up either rushing needlessly Galchenyuk or overpaying for a UFA who may not be as good. Going 4 years protects your asset from losing him for nothing next summer if you only sign a 1 year deal.
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05-10-2013, 03:03 PM
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05-10-2013, 03:30 PM
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Galchenyuk isn't Toews.

He played softer minutes than DD, as a center, after eller went down and he was a -4 despite getting 3 points. DD was +1 despite only getting 1 point. If Galchenyuk was ready and could handle the #3 role, they wouldn't have moved him back to wing and put Halpern on his line.

HF Mentality...veterans never do enough and young palyers are great and can do no wrong.
He went through some harsh moments, and whenever we move him to center, he's going to have those harsh moments. The sooner you do it, the earlier he'll be ready to be a dominant center.

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05-10-2013, 03:31 PM
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WTF are you talking about? The guy was an RFA, there was no rush to sign him during the season, none at all.

You do know that right? Know the system before you post.

It is a bizarre move. It was just dumb to do it.

The only explanation I can think of is that Bergy:

1. Had no confidence in Eller or Chuckie as a no 2 C next year.
2. He thought DD would light it up and demand 5 mill this summer.

If so, he ****ed up, on both counts.

Otherwise Bergy has been fine. But the DD signing was, very probably ,a big ****up. Just admit it.
a total fk up agreed my friend

wtf was the rush as a RFA ?

who the f was going to sign him to that contract ? u dont match and take the picks ? what is so hard to see Bergeron

what contender has this midget flake in their top 6 ? on one

A TOTAL FK UP BY THIS TEAM UNLESS IT WAS MOLSON`S DEAL

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05-10-2013, 03:47 PM
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a total fk up agreed my friend

wtf was the rush as a RFA ?

who the f was going to sign him to that contract ? u dont match and take the picks ? what is so hard to see Bergeron

what contender has this midget flake in their top 6 ? on one

A TOTAL FK UP BY THIS TEAM UNLESS IT WAS MOLSON`S DEAL
In order for it to be this huge fk up as you say, then there must be this bad consequence. So what did this deal massively screw up for us? Is it preventing us from doing pretty much anything we wanted to do?
This deal has very little impact on us, and won't be too hard to remove if need be.

Could we have waited? Absolutely. Is it a gigantic mistake that will screw our team up? No.
So enough with the exaggeration.

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05-10-2013, 05:13 PM
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DD deal looking REAL awful right now. Ryder deal, even if he didn't end well, was a good deal. Guy got us some W's.

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05-10-2013, 07:18 PM
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It's too early to judge a lot of the moves that have been made so far, especially given the long-term approach that is being taken. That said, I really like the direction of the organization and most of the moves that MB has made to this point. He's not beyond reproach - the DD deal in particular was hasty and expensive, though hardly the utter disaster it's painted as on here. Overall we're a stronger, deeper and more structured team than we were one year ago. There's a long ways to go yet, but we're heading in the right direction.

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05-10-2013, 10:20 PM
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So far:

Good:
Prust
Gomez buy out
MT as coach (although I'm still not sure about this one, but can't deny that MT did a great job this season)
Cole trade

Bad:
Drewiskie
DD contract (terrible...simply terrible)
Bouillion contract (what was the rush?)
Not making a move at the deadline. He completely underestimated the lack of size and toughness of this team..especially on the back end
Hardball with PK on the bridge deal.

I'd say he's done a decent job thus far....I will be able to get a better read on him next year.

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05-10-2013, 10:48 PM
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No matter how many times people say it, or how loudly they say it, the idea that our problem is that we are too "soft" or "small" shows no knowledge of how hockey games, and Stanley Cups, are won and lost. We have been drafting big, tough players in the first round for years--decades actually -- with very very poor results. Go back and look at the first round picks. Mention two: Komisarek and Hainsey. (And Higgins was regarded as a promising "power" forward in college.) Now ask yourself when the last time was when the Habs had someone in the top ten scoring. Or the top fifteen. Then go back and look at the old dynasties -- for that matter , look at the contemporary dynasties, Pens or Wings or even Blackhawks, though they don't count yet -- and see where their top scorers end up. Notice a pattern? Anyone watching Ribiero in the Rangers series? Maybe miss him, and wonder why we gave him away for nothing at all? (Yes of course he had personality problems; bad teams throw up their hands at personality problems; good teams accept them and win anyway.) Put six big bad tough guys on this team and we will lose in the playoffs anyway. Add a Malkin or a Ovechkin , let alone a Crosby, and we won't. That's our problem; that's our solution. But it's hard -- a lot harder than people who have never played a single game of pro hockey sneering at how "soft" Plekanec is. Trust me, he's approximately ten thousand times tougher than you have ever been or ever will be. You don't get to the NHl if you're not.

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05-10-2013, 10:55 PM
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No matter how many times people say it, or how loudly they say it, the idea that our problem is that we are too "soft" or "small" shows no knowledge of how hockey games, and Stanley Cups, are won and lost. We have been drafting big, tough players in the first round for years--decades actually -- with very very poor results. Go back and look at the first round picks. Mention two: Komisarek and Hainsey. (And Higgins was regarded as a promising "power" forward in college.) Now ask yourself when the last time was when the Habs had someone in the top ten scoring. Or the top fifteen. Then go back and look at the old dynasties -- for that matter , look at the contemporary dynasties, Pens or Wings or even Blackhawks, though they don't count yet -- and see where their top scorers end up. Notice a pattern? Anyone watching Ribiero in the Rangers series? Maybe miss him, and wonder why we gave him away for nothing at all? (Yes of course he had personality problems; bad teams throw up their hands at personality problems; good teams accept them and win anyway.) Put six big bad tough guys on this team and we will lose in the playoffs anyway. Add a Malkin or a Ovechkin , let alone a Crosby, and we won't. That's our problem; that's our solution. But it's hard -- a lot harder than people who have never played a single game of pro hockey sneering at how "soft" Plekanec is. Trust me, he's approximately ten thousand times tougher than you have ever been or ever will be. You don't get to the NHl if you're not.
This team would still get manhandled in the playoffs with Malkin or Ovechkin. How has Washington done with all that high end talent over the years?

YOu don't see to understand. You need the right mix of high scoring, toughness, size, intensity, goaltending, defense, etc to be successful in the playoffs. You need more than just a game breaker.

How do you watch the Habs and not think we need to get bigger/stronger on the backend and up front? You think we win if we have Malkin? We may win an extra game or 2. That's it.

NHL players are generally tougher than ordinary people. But when we talk about "toughness" we talk about NHL toughness. Pleks is a good player but he's not "tough" or physical. He's more dirty than anything.

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