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View Poll Results: 3 Stars of the Game
Henrik Lundqvist 79 85.87%
John Moore 4 4.35%
Anton Stralman 10 10.87%
Michael Del Zotto 0 0%
Dan Girardi 2 2.17%
Ryan McDonagh 18 19.57%
Steve Eminger 2 2.17%
Arron Asham 4 4.35%
Taylor Pyatt 0 0%
Derek Dorsett 7 7.61%
Ryane Clowe 2 2.17%
Brad Richards 2 2.17%
Rick Nash 4 4.35%
Carl Hagelin 11 11.96%
Derek Stepan 3 3.26%
Ryan Callahan 0 0%
Bryan Boyle 13 14.13%
Derick Brassard 34 36.96%
Mats Zuccarello 19 20.65%
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05-10-2013, 11:12 PM
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Anyone remember Gaborik's performance in the 2011 playoffs?

Neither do I.
I remember Game 5 of that series

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I remember Game 5 of that series
Are you sure you're not thinking of Game 4? AKA one of the worst post season games many of us have ever seen.

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Give me a break. So you can't shoot. So what. Move your ****ing feet, and use your big body and hit. Do other things. Crash the net. I've seen none of those things from Nash. That's what it takes in the playoffs no matter what type of player you are. Brassard has done it. Moore has done it. They've both elevated their game. It's like hes not even putting in effort unless he has the puck on his stick. And even then, unless he's got a huge amount of time and space, he's not doing anything.

He's floating. At least Gaborik got into open areas of the ice. Nash hasn't. "Oh **** there's a guy right on me. Eh whatever I'll just stand here and let him cover me. No need to get open."
I agree not much energy there, but he has been hitting people and trying to forecheck. Caps are in his face constantly and I think he's rather caught off guard by it for some reason. From what I seen in the regular season I really can't just write him off in saying he's just not interested or lazy.

But jeezus, chill. I didn't mean to upset you.

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Are you sure you're not thinking of Game 4? AKA one of the worst post season games many of us have ever seen.
Yeah game 5 wasn't bad at all. Every single Ranger fan knew the series was already over heading into that game. Game 4 though. Ugh.

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Him - along with the other guys - are also being paid to win. Him bringing up Torts wouldn't exude a country club mentality but highlighting a ****ing weakness on this team. 5 seasons, scoring being a problem, and..the coach still remains employed.

And with Lundqvist not getting any younger, I'm not questioning where he's coming from when he calls out Torts, ESPECIALLY when a majority of people are sick and tired of Tort's shtick.
When was last star player to call out his own coach? It rarely happens in the NHL.

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Are you sure you're not thinking of Game 4? AKA one of the worst post season games many of us have ever seen.
I still remember punching a hole in the wall after Gaborik scored on his own net.

WOAT playoff game.

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Are you sure you're not thinking of Game 4? AKA one of the worst post season games many of us have ever seen.
Yes, game 4

Oh god I'll never forget that game.

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gabby couldn't deke so therefore he was a soft one-dimensional player. sarcasm of course
I see your sarcasm, and I know you're joking, but some people just want to see a player skate into oncoming traffic and try power moves. It's so awesome looking! Meanwhile Gabby played like a ninja, sniped corners and outscored Nash in every way. But that won't matter.

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Unrealistic expectations. Words...
Listen... I listed it last on the list for a reason. It wasn't the main reason this team lost tonight, not denying that. And he was great in game 2 - I also agree with that.

Every other game, however, he has given up at least one goal that maybe you can't "expect" him to make the save on, no... but if you want the team to make a run at a Cup, they are stops that need to be made. Bad goals will be given up, even on Stanley Cup winning runs. But there comes a point where your goalie just needs to step it up a notch if you're going to win the cup. Multiple games will just need to be stolen. With the exception of the 08-09 Penguins and the 09-10 Blackhawks, every team that has won the cup in the past decade has had a goalie that has played out of his mind and made those kind of saves game in and game out (and even those teams to a degree).

Again, do I blame him entirely for the position this team is in now? Absolutely not. Has he been very good in this series? For sure. But if this team wants to make a deep run, he's just got to make some of those stops. And this is coming from a former goalie/defender.

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Unrealistic expectations. He's been a game breaker in two games, both at the Verizone Center, and the team couldn't do anything with it. In the 1-0 loss, he literally played one of the best games of his career, and they still lost.

Basically, you're saying for the Rangers to compete with the Capitals, he has to go on a legendary Conn Smythe run. If they need Lundqvist to have one of the best post seasons a goaltender has ever had, than this team won't win a Cup.

I'm just being honest, I think it's stupid to call out the goaltender after a loss like that. There were dozens of reasons the team lost, and Lundqvist wasn't one of them.

He has consistently outplayed Holtby, but fails to win because the quality and quantity of chances come down at the Rangers end. He made three or four high quality saves in OT on top tier players in the NHL, and the Rangers still couldn't do anything with it.

Again, if you want Lundqvist to consistently win 1-0 or 2-1 games on the road, you're looking for something that isn't going to happen. He's not Hasek. And basically, you're looking for a Hasek caliber performance.

If you look at the kind of goaltending that recent Conn Smythe winning goaltenders have put in, they were on substantially better teams who were able to take advantage of their goalie's performance and score timely goals. With the Rangers, Lundqvist makes the timely / big saves, and he has to make another timely / big save, and it continues to the point where one of them is bound to go in.

In the Game 2 loss the Rangers went 20 minutes without a shot between both the 3rd period and OT. In Game 5 the Rangers had 9 shots in 45 minutes. That's not a good team who is generating chances on the opposing goaltender. When that happens, all of the action is in your end, and it's eventually going to beat you (and that last goal Lundqvist didn't have a chance). Lundqvist is giving the team to opportunity to steal one, and THEY cannot do anything with it. Good teams are able to feed off their goaltender coming up with timely saves, and the Rangers haven't been able to do that.

The Capitals are winning with Holtby providing adequate goaltending. And there is nothing legendary about it. And guess what? Their best player in Ovechkin hasn't been able to effectively beat Lundqvist. The Capitals team is better period. That's why they're on top, it has nothing to do with either goaltenders performance.

Lundqvist isn't Hasek. Once fans start realizing that, maybe they'll have more reasonable expectations.
This post.

This post wins. Everyone *****ing about Hank needs to read this post and get their head examined.

You need a good goalie. You also need to be able to do something after your goalie makes the save.

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When was last star player to call out his own coach? It rarely happens in the NHL.
Malik did it to Renney.

EDIT: Not a star player but he called him out.

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Listen... I listed it last on the list for a reason. It wasn't the main reason this team lost tonight, not denying that. And he was great in game 2 - I also agree with that.

Every other game, however, he has given up at least one goal that maybe you can't "expect" him to make the save on, no... but if you want the team to make a run at a Cup, they are stops that need to be made. Bad goals will be given up, even on Stanley Cup winning runs. But there comes a point where your goalie just needs to step it up a notch if you're going to win the cup. Multiple game will just need to be stolen. With the exception of the 08-09 Penguins and the 09-10 Blackhawks, every team that has won the cup in the past decade has had a goalie that has played out of his mind and made those kind of saves game in and game out (and even those teams to a degree).

Again, do I blame him entirely for the position this team is in now? Absolutely not. Has he been very good in this series? For sure. But if this team wants to make a deep run, he's just got to make some of those stops. And this is coming from a former goalie/defender.
So it's all on the goalie? It's his fault if he loses and posts a regulation shutout? He makes the stops needed. This team will find a way to score on themselves anyway.

How about this team scores some goals? Really, a novel idea.

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Anyone remember Gaborik's performance in the 2011 playoffs?

Neither do I.
That was his worst stretch of hockey in his career perhaps. Lots of people don't remember Nash's series against the Wings either.

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If the Rangers want to win this series, they need to score more then one goal at Verizon Center. I heard it's been done before, but it's merely a myth along with Big Foot and UFO's at this point.

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That game was so deflating that I don't even know what to do. I'm just lying down watching the STL-LA game right now looking like grumpy cat.

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Malkin did it to Renney.

EDIT: Not a star player but he called him out.
I don't understand unless I'm missing a ton of sarcasm here.

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If the Rangers want to win this series, they need to score more then one goal at Verizon Center. I heard it's been done before, but it's merely a myth along with Big Foot and UFO's at this point.
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That game was so deflating that I don't even know what to do. I'm just lying down watching the STL-LA game right now looking like grumpy cat.
Can I PM you what to do? It's pretty um... it's humorous if you see it the way I do

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So it's all on the goalie? It's his fault if he loses and posts a regulation shutout? He makes the stops needed. This team will find a way to score on themselves anyway.

How about this team scores some goals? Really, a novel idea.
1. He didn't post a regulation shutout tonight.

2. Re: bolded text... Reading comprehension not your strong suit? Read the last few sentences of that post again.

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I don't understand unless I'm missing a ton of sarcasm here.
My bad. Not Malkin but Malik.

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**** it. At this point, put Arron Asham on the 1st PP unit and roll with Asham-Stepan-Brassard-Stralman-Moore. Asham the sniper for the one-timers.

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What sucks is that if the Rangers win game 6 it triggers the back-to-back game 7. Here's hoping the Rangers can win 2 nights in a row.

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**** it. At this point, put Arron Asham on the 1st PP unit and roll with Asham-Stepan-Brassard-Stralman-Moore. Asham the sniper for the one-timers.
How would that Affect Nash's family?

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My bad. Not Malkin but Malik.
Right, but Malik was really a fringe player at that point in his career. You don't see that type of ego anymore from star players in the NHL enough to dictate managerial decisions. This isn't the NBA.

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