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05-09-2013, 07:03 PM
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Yeah, we need a new topic to get that going I think. I don't think anything else could possibly be said on the topic of goalies and the Flyers between you and I. From Leighton to Bob to Bryz, we've covered it all.
I've hit the point where I automatically assume all goalie choices made by the Flyers are incorrect. I can't really get excited for Mason, and I'm trying to get excited for Stolarz but I just can't do it.

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It would mean Snider and Holmgren are reactionary fools but we already know that.

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I've hit the point where I automatically assume all goalie choices made by the Flyers are incorrect. I can't really get excited for Mason, and I'm trying to get excited for Stolarz but I just can't do it.
Understandable. I'm not too excited about Mason or Stolarz, but I would be excited if they ditched Bryz.

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im excited for Mason.

surely we have to get a good goalie eventualy just based on. pure luck

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Hmmmmm, what would it mean ?
Emery leaves Flyers & is a great goalie
Bryz has great numbers & comes here & isn't as good
Bob floundered here, leaves the Flyers & is up for the Vezina

maybe, just MAYBE, the Flyers need to tighten up defensively overall ..... oh, and playing hard for 60 minutes 95% of the time might help, too.

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Hmmmmm, what would it mean ?
Emery leaves Flyers & is a great goalie
Bryz has great numbers & comes here & isn't as good
Bob floundered here, leaves the Flyers & is up for the Vezina

maybe, just MAYBE, the Flyers need to tighten up defensively overall ..... oh, and playing hard for 60 minutes 95% of the time might help, too.
Emery wasn't bad here until he got hurt. I wouldn't call him great now either. He's a good 1B goalie on a great Blackhawks team.

Bryz played in a system that covered up for his poor positioning and athleticism. He came here and got exposed for the fraud he his.

Bob showed some flashes along with some inconsistencies (that should be expected with a young inexperienced goaltender) during his time here. It also could be his development and progression as reasons for his success this year. We'll see though Bob did this during a shortened season. I'm sure a lot of people want to see him handle an 82 season next year to get a more comfortable read on him.


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Bob floundered?

then what the hell has Bryz been doing?

shall we call him the Titanic..

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Hmmmmm, what would it mean ?
Emery leaves Flyers & is a great goalie
Bryz has great numbers & comes here & isn't as good
Bob floundered here, leaves the Flyers & is up for the Vezina

maybe, just MAYBE, the Flyers need to tighten up defensively overall ..... oh, and playing hard for 60 minutes 95% of the time might help, too.
its never the goalies fault in Philadelphia.
Emery btw was playing pretty well before he got hurt here.

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It'll be fine because Mason will win it next year.

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im excited for Mason.

surely we have to get a good goalie eventualy just based on. pure luck
It's been 30 some years, where is the luck?

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It's been 30 some years, where is the luck?
Even the blind squirrel finds this nut eventually.

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It's been 30 some years, where is the luck?
Starting for Columbus.

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Starting for Columbus.
OUCH...

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Bobrovsky winning the Vezina with the Blue Jackets would mean very little, as he was never going to win the Vezina with the Flyers.

It was a risky trade at the time--if Bob put it together, it was always going to look back in hindsight. But let's not pretend that that was inevitable.
This 100%. Happy for the kid, but he wasnt doing that on the Flyers. Means little to nothing to us as Flyers fans now

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You can't blame homer on this. If bob had a down year this wouldn't even be a debate. You make a trade/signing you have to just move on and be happy for the player. But homer isn't going anywhere if he gets fired he'll have another position with the team with the same vision in mind

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You can't blame homer on this. If bob had a down year this wouldn't even be a debate. You make a trade/signing you have to just move on and be happy for the player. But homer isn't going anywhere if he gets fired he'll have another position with the team with the same vision in mind
I agree. I still think Homer had to make the Bryz deal. I hate the deal, but it was the only move left for the Flyers to do. They had gone with older veteran goalies like Sean Burke and Vanbiesbrouk, and that didn't work. They drafted goalies early in 95, 97, and 99, and that didn't work (well, Boucher worked in a backup way). They went with young potential in Tommy Soderstrom and Dominic Rousell, and that didn't work. They went with unproven goalies like Esche and Cechmanek, and that didn't work, and he went with inexpensive backups-turned-starters with Boucher and Leighton, and that didn't work. After the 2010 goalie flop in the finals and the flop in 2011 of the goalies, the only move left was to get a goalie who had a good history and who was in his prime. Bryz was the only option. The media and fans had given the Flyers flak for the past 20 years on goaltending; if they had gone ANY other route and it didn't work, Homer would have been grilled by EVERYONE for continuing to go down the path they already tried and failed. Now the Flyers have tried evey possible option and failed. Now Homer can start the process over again.

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Teams make mistakes, some big ones over the years being:

Scott Gomez to MTL ...
Raycroft from BOS for Rask from TOR ...
Sharp from the Flyers themselves for Ellison ... woohoo!
Briere from PHX to BUF ...
Dan Boyle from FLA to TB ...
Yashin for Chara + Spezza ...
Jokinen + Luongo for Kvasha + Parrish ...
Giguere for a 2nd rounder (bust) ...
Timonen from LA to NSH ...
Bertuzzi + McCabe for Linden ...
Satan to BUF from EDM ...
Selanne from WPG to ANA ...
Demitra to STL from OTT ...
Naslund from PIT to VAN ...
Draper for $1 ...
Hasek from CHI to BUF ...
Scott Niedermayer for Tom Kurvers ... hahahaha
Cam Neely and Glen Wesley to BOS from VAN ...

and many others. Bob winning a single Vezina might not mean much but as of right now a similar comparable would be the Giguere trade or the Raycroft/Rask trade, and Bobrovsky can only hope to have a career similar to Giguere and I would say is comparable in value to Rask at this point. If Bob becomes a franchise goalie and a perrenial top-5 goaltender? Pretty terrible trade long-term. Steve Mason definitely factors into it, too. Lots and lots of factors that will remain to be seen.

Really, it just proves that goaltending is a real issue with the Flyers, and it's from their own doing. Impatience, risky decisions, big contracts, and a win-now attitude has made the team look foolish and hopefully they learn from this.

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Teams make mistakes, some big ones over the years being:

Scott Gomez to MTL ...
Raycroft from BOS for Rask from TOR ...
Sharp from the Flyers themselves for Ellison ... woohoo!
Briere from PHX to BUF ...
Dan Boyle from FLA to TB ...
Yashin for Chara + Spezza ...
Jokinen + Luongo for Kvasha + Parrish ...
Giguere for a 2nd rounder (bust) ...
Timonen from LA to NSH ...
Bertuzzi + McCabe for Linden ...
Satan to BUF from EDM ...
Selanne from WPG to ANA ...
Demitra to STL from OTT ...
Naslund from PIT to VAN ...
Draper for $1 ...
Hasek from CHI to BUF ...
Scott Niedermayer for Tom Kurvers ... hahahaha
Cam Neely and Glen Wesley to BOS from VAN ...

and many others. Bob winning a single Vezina might not mean much but as of right now a similar comparable would be the Giguere trade or the Raycroft/Rask trade, and Bobrovsky can only hope to have a career similar to Giguere and I would say is comparable in value to Rask at this point. If Bob becomes a franchise goalie and a perrenial top-5 goaltender? Pretty terrible trade long-term. Steve Mason definitely factors into it, too. Lots and lots of factors that will remain to be seen.

Really, it just proves that goaltending is a real issue with the Flyers, and it's from their own doing. Impatience, risky decisions, big contracts, and a win-now attitude has made the team look foolish and hopefully they learn from this.
Milbury.

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Milbury.
... yet he think he knows hockey and rips guys like Ovechkin and Semin apart for poor play. What a dick.

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... yet he think he knows hockey and rips guys like Ovechkin and Semin apart for poor play. What a dick.
I think he knows the on ice stuff just fine. But holy ****, he should never provide commentary on any trades.

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I think he knows the on ice stuff just fine. But holy ****, he should never provide commentary on any trades.
Mad Mike really did the Isles dirty. They could've had an all-star team during the 2000's and still had some of those guys left over today if it wasn't for him F'ing up so badly.

They're still paying Yashin too because of him.


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Really, it just proves that goaltending is a real issue with the Flyers, and it's from their own doing. Impatience, risky decisions, big contracts, and a win-now attitude has made the team look foolish and hopefully they learn from this.
I agree. The best thing to come from this might be patience.

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I don't know why people are couching the Flyers problems as a lack of patience. Bob wasn't a lack of patience. Bob was an odds calculation (discussed in earlier posts...don't want to get back into that discussion so don't respond telling me it was a bad move or that you wish it wouldn't have happened or whatever...respond explaining why it was lack of patience). With defenseman, they simply haven't drafted the type of defensemen that warrant waiting around for. They drafted Sbisa, and he's a solid defender in Anaheim. Trading him wasn't a lack of patience, it was the chance to get Chris Pronger. Trading JvR also was not a lack of patience. It is upgrading a position that needs upgrading, while dealing from a position of depth. I don't think the thoughts in Homer's head when making these moves is that the team doesn't have the time to wait around for JvR, Bob, Sbisa, whomever to develop. It was that these guys either a) are not guaranteed to develop into what they want and an oppurtunity presented itself to get an upgrade, b) dealing from a position of depth for a position of weakness, or c) simply the chance to get a much better player.

Is there someone else I am missing where there was a lack of patience? Gus has been here for a few years and they seem to be having patience with him. Rinaldo and Lauridsen too. Bartulis we waited for and he never developed. They seem to have plenty of patience with Marc-Andre Bourdon. McGinn? Yes they have traded other young players (Upshall and Chaput come to mind), but I don't see the "big" moves as lack of patience.

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I don't know why people are couching the Flyers problems as a lack of patience. Bob wasn't a lack of patience. Bob was an odds calculation (discussed in earlier posts...don't want to get back into that discussion so don't respond telling me it was a bad move or that you wish it wouldn't have happened or whatever...respond explaining why it was lack of patience). With defenseman, they simply haven't drafted the type of defensemen that warrant waiting around for. They drafted Sbisa, and he's a solid defender in Anaheim. Trading him wasn't a lack of patience, it was the chance to get Chris Pronger. Trading JvR also was not a lack of patience. It is upgrading a position that needs upgrading, while dealing from a position of depth. I don't think the thoughts in Homer's head when making these moves is that the team doesn't have the time to wait around for JvR, Bob, Sbisa, whomever to develop. It was that these guys either a) are not guaranteed to develop into what they want and an oppurtunity presented itself to get an upgrade, b) dealing from a position of depth for a position of weakness, or c) simply the chance to get a much better player.

Is there someone else I am missing where there was a lack of patience? Gus has been here for a few years and they seem to be having patience with him. Rinaldo and Lauridsen too. Bartulis we waited for and he never developed. They seem to have plenty of patience with Marc-Andre Bourdon. McGinn? Yes they have traded other young players (Upshall and Chaput come to mind), but I don't see the "big" moves as lack of patience.
Bob was a lack of patience because they didn't want to wait for him to develop, Snider wanted his goalie now.

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