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05-11-2013, 04:55 PM
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Arguing they are overrated is not the same thing as arguing they are not valuable. But if I think they are overrated that then implies they also should be more valuable as trade chips than being used.

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You say Ribeiro over Richards AINEC, Torres over Clowe AINEC because they're better this year? In a 48 game shortened lockout season vs. a whole ****ing career you pick the guy who does better this year??


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05-11-2013, 05:27 PM
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You say Ribeiro over Richards AINEC, Torres over Clowe AINEC because they're better this year? In a 48 game shortened lockout season vs. a whole ****ing career you pick the guy who does better this year??
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Another yes man in charge. Gorton is nothing more than merely a puppet for Glen Sather.
His post was informative and didn't even offer an opinion you are being a complete jerk to him for no reason. I am not saying "You're a jerk!" I am saying that you are just being one to that guy with this one post. And not for nothing all of your Torts defending is nothing more than speculation and assumption. You assume the players aren't good enough and assign zero blame to Torts. That's a nearly impossible thing. For the coach to have absolutely NO culpability for the players mistakes? Such an assumption applies Torts is an actual hockey god! There are many mistakes Torts makes and of course the question and speculation is how many are truly Torts fault? How much SHOULD he be accountable for?

I think no matter what torts has done a great job training the players to be a family on the ice up until this season. He has helped a lot of defensive talent rise to the top. He got this team to a ECF and nearly a Pres trophy. But he cannot preside over an offense as incompetent and poor as this, make no adjustments through the year, have the same terrible PP year in and year out and get a pass. These players get the D. If Torts doesn't do his job and get the O going and the PP going with a level of acceptable output than he has to go and someone has to be brought in to complete the puzzle.

So I am not attacking you and I admit the fans attacking Torts are dealing in speculation as well. But that post I quoted and many of your stances seem very biased and ridiculous moreso than any1 else who posts here

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05-11-2013, 06:21 PM
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His post was informative and didn't even offer an opinion you are being a complete jerk to him for no reason. I am not saying "You're a jerk!" I am saying that you are just being one to that guy with this one post. And not for nothing all of your Torts defending is nothing more than speculation and assumption. You assume the players aren't good enough and assign zero blame to Torts. That's a nearly impossible thing. For the coach to have absolutely NO culpability for the players mistakes? Such an assumption applies Torts is an actual hockey god! There are many mistakes Torts makes and of course the question and speculation is how many are truly Torts fault? How much SHOULD he be accountable for?

I think no matter what torts has done a great job training the players to be a family on the ice up until this season. He has helped a lot of defensive talent rise to the top. He got this team to a ECF and nearly a Pres trophy. But he cannot preside over an offense as incompetent and poor as this, make no adjustments through the year, have the same terrible PP year in and year out and get a pass. These players get the D. If Torts doesn't do his job and get the O going and the PP going with a level of acceptable output than he has to go and someone has to be brought in to complete the puzzle.

So I am not attacking you and I admit the fans attacking Torts are dealing in speculation as well. But that post I quoted and many of your stances seem very biased and ridiculous moreso than any1 else who posts here
I didn't make comments for RangerBoy and I appreciate that he constantly provides information for us. I was merely commenting on Jeff Gorton, not anything to the poster.

I had voiced my displeasure with Torts earlier in the year. There was a Torts approval/disapproval thread about 2 weeks into the season and I was one of the first ones to disapprove of him. But coming to realize the makeup of the roster, I don't think the team is any good.

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If I were GM, Brad Richards next two games is his tryout. He has to show me that he deserves not to be bought out. Based on the Rangers Cap Situation, Stepan and McD are extremely vulnerable to being offer sheeted. That 6.7 Million Dollars would go along way to insure the Rangers can bring back both McD and Stepan

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I didn't make comments for RangerBoy and I appreciate that he constantly provides information for us. I was merely commenting on Jeff Gorton, not anything to the poster.

I had voiced my displeasure with Torts earlier in the year. There was a Torts approval/disapproval thread about 2 weeks into the season and I was one of the first ones to disapprove of him. But coming to realize the makeup of the roster, I don't think the team is any good.
Go******* I thought I was responding to Kel Varnsen about halkfway through the post. Actually the very last line The one about the ridiculousness of your opinions. Thought you were Kel so ignore that line

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05-12-2013, 07:30 AM
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Don't let the door hit you on the way out Brad. Another guy who signs a big contract with the Rangers and thinks his career is over and he can collect a paycheck. Thank God the new CBA allowed a couple of these types to be bought out without it counting against your cap.

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05-12-2013, 10:38 AM
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Richards takes slumps hard, and this one is painful — particularly for a player who was the most valuable player of the 2004 postseason, when he led the Tampa Bay Lightning to the Stanley Cup. His diminished production this year and his $6.67 million annual salary make him a prime candidate for an amnesty buyout when the salary cap decreases this summer.

Tortorella, Richards’s coach in 2004, has reduced his ice time as this series has progressed. Richards played for only 18 minutes 23 seconds of the 69-minute Game 5, and one of his two shifts of substance in overtime was as a fourth-line center for Arron Asham and Taylor Pyatt. The Rangers are 2 for 21 on the power play in the series, but neither goal was scored while Richards was on the ice in his role as power-play quarterback.

“I think he’s made some plays there,” Tortorella said of Richards’s power-play work. “We need more.
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What plays has Richards made on the PP?

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05-12-2013, 12:00 PM
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What plays has Richards made on the PP?
Good question... not seeing what Torts sees there.

Up the middle next year:

Stepan
Brassard
Miller
Lindberg/Boyle

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WTF has Beaver done on the powerplay all year?

Watch Tortorella spoon feed him with powerplay time tonight. Watch.

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05-12-2013, 05:42 PM
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just an Idea


Rangers trade Richards Thomas and Boyle to Bolts..
Bolts trade Malone (salary) Connolly, Namestnikov, Gudas, 1st in 2013.

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05-12-2013, 06:18 PM
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No. No more shakeup trades. Keep what we have and build on it. Buyout Richards. Bring in our young centers. Stepan, Brassard and Boyle can lead the pack.

The Bolts would never accept that trade anyway.

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05-12-2013, 06:20 PM
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hes like a baby deer on the ice this year

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I'm just so sick of him.... I don't know what to say anymore.

Thankfully there is no way he'll be here next season. Unless he scores 3 goals every game and wins us a cup.


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05-12-2013, 07:17 PM
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9 minutes tonight. Ouch.

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He needs to sit out tomorrow. Dude is on a retirement with this team......

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05-12-2013, 07:21 PM
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Richards should be loving the idea of a buyout.. he would still get paid pretty well as a UFA.

Sure you can say it would be embarrassing or hurtful to his pride.. don't really buy that.

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9 minutes tonight. Ouch.
With that, the team has it's best puck possession game of the series.

Keep it that way.

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The most logical conclusion is that Gorton and Sather agreed on trading Gaborik and trading for Clowe. If they disagreed that much through the years, do you think they would still be working as boss and heir? The reason it makes sense to me is that if they asked my opinion, I would have made both trades. And I sure as hell didn't do as much due dilligence on Moore and others as the Rangers apparently did.

Sather is staying with the Rangers in hopes of winning one more Cup to burnish his legacy. This year, next year, maybe even 3-4 years. He gets to live large in Manhattan. His boss loves him. who wouldn't stay? I am sure Gorton wouldn't have been promoted to Asst GM, moved to NY and given so much authorithy if he wasn't the hand picked heir. He could have long since had his own team somewhere else.

And as for Richards, that's a tough, tough call. Keep in mind there will probably be 15-20 buyouts this summer and some very good players on the market. There will be bargains. If Sather AND Gorton think he's washed up at 33, they will pull the trigger and be able to replace him with a very good (Marian Hossa?) player at a discounted price.



Oh and I couldn't let this one go by.

No, he is not.

Did anyoNe by chance notice how well Clowe played in game 4?
That is a fantastic point, one that I haven't considered.

Can anyone come up with a list of likely buyouts and see what options might be out there?

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Wait, Chicago's looking to buyout Hossa???? He's on a sweetheart cap hit right now.

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There is no way Marian is coming to NY.

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Last game as a Ranger for Richards tomorrow night, potentially...

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Never would have thought this before the season. I defended Richards, and though his mental abilities would allow him to remain decently productive eve as his body slowed down.

But the guy looks 100% done. Still think odds are he will be a Ranger next season (not a lot out there to use his $ on, not playing during the lockout really hurt him) but it doesn't look good beyond that.

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At least 10% Drury was good at killing penalties and blocking shots........ Beaver in the other hand, is not decent at anything. Don't bother playing him at all.

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