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05-11-2013, 12:40 PM
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Trying to make sense of next year...

--So as of right now Bertuzzi and Samuelsson are both healthy and playing, and both guys have a year on their contract. Unless they retire (which I doubt), you have to figure they'll be back next year since Holland usually doesn't buy guys out.
--Cleary hasn't played bad in the playoffs, and I will be VERY surprised if he doesn't get extended and come back next year.
--Have to figure Helm will be healthy by next fall with the rest and whatnot he has had.
--Filppula is probably going to walk, unless he drops his asking price substantially.
--With the # of contracts we have, we will again have no room for Tatar.

So what does that leave us with??? (outside of free agency)

Seems like we will have to split zetterberg and franzen unless we sign a free agent center or put Franzen at center.

Franzen-Zetterberg-Brunner
Nyquist-Datsyuk-Abdelkader
Cleary-Helm-Samuelsson
Bertuzzi-Andersson-Tooto
Emmerton
Eaves

Kronwall-Ericsson
Smith-Dekeyser
Kindl-Quincey
CC
Lashoff

Howard
Gustavsson/Mrazek

Yikes... Do we even have the option to go after free agents with the amount of guys we have under contract?

Are we going to be forced to buy some guys out to drop some dead weight???

I really hope all of Cleary/Bertuzzi/Samuelsson are gone next year but I have a funny feeling that will not be the case.

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That Malik guy seems to think that Cleary, Flip, Miller, White will all be gone.

I could see the Wings buying out Sammy. Tatar will be on the team next year. Still believe the Wings need to be very active in the offseason in acquiring a goal scoring winger for Pavel.

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I wonder if bertuzzi will be back next year. He's been hurt all year with the back and his age. And we do not need cleary back.

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Veteran, injury-prone depth wins you hockey games, not youth - Ken Holland

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What I think we'll see

Franzen - Zetterberg - Filppula
Bertuzzi - Datsyuk - Abdelkader
Nyquist - Helm - Brunner
Emmerton (I know he's a C, but he might move?) - Andersson - Eaves
*Tootoo & Miller

Kronwall - Ericsson
DeKeyser - Quincey
Kindl - Smith
*Colaiacovo

Samuelsson will get bought out, and Holland will let Cleary walk. Kenny will overpay Filppula and re-sign Brunner. I think Miller will get re-signed too, and will alternate spots with Eaves on a regular basis.

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If I'm Tatar and I'm not on the team full-time next year I'd be demanding a trade. I don't know what else he has to do.

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I think Andersson has unseated Emmerton as the 4th line center...assuming Helm goes back to the third line. Brunner and/or Nyquist need to be on a scoring line and Tatar should either be in the lineup or be traded...dude is crushing in the AHL playoffs right now.

Out of the old guys, Bertuzzi can stay if he can stay healthy but Cleary and Sammy...buhbye!

On defense, I'd want to Quincey the hell out but they won't...I'd rather have Scuderi-like guy paired with Smith.

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Samuelsson will get bought out, and Holland will let Cleary walk.
We're talking about the same Ken Holland right? The Red Wings GM?

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We're talking about the same Ken Holland right? The Red Wings GM?
Babcock is the one with the Cleary obsession. I'm not sold that Kenny is too.

The Samuelsson situation is hit or miss. He was hurt all season, and he's mediocre right now. The signing seemed desperate at the time, and he got a 2 year deal. I'm not saying he will be gone for sure, but I'm thinking Holland will make the right decision


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Babcock is the one with the Cleary obsession. I'm not sold that Kenny is too.

The Samuelsson situation is hit or miss. He was hurt all season, and he's mediocre right now. The signing seemed desperate at the time, and he got a (3) year deal IIRC off the top of my head. I'm not saying he will be gone for sure, but I'm thinking Holland will make the right decision
Sammy is on a two year deal.

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Babcock is the one with the Cleary obsession. I'm not sold that Kenny is too.

The Samuelsson situation is hit or miss. He was hurt all season, and he's mediocre right now. The signing seemed desperate at the time, and he got a (3) year deal IIRC off the top of my head. I'm not saying he will be gone for sure, but I'm thinking Holland will make the right decision
2yr, gone after next season.

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Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Abdelkader
Tatar - Bozak* - Franzen
Nyquist - Helm - Brunner
Tootoo - Andersson - Sheahan

*I'm guessing he'll stay in Toronto though

Third line is marshmallow soft

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--So as of right now Bertuzzi and Samuelsson are both healthy and playing, and both guys have a year on their contract. Unless they retire (which I doubt), you have to figure they'll be back next year since Holland usually doesn't buy guys out.
--Cleary hasn't played bad in the playoffs, and I will be VERY surprised if he doesn't get extended and come back next year.
--Have to figure Helm will be healthy by next fall with the rest and whatnot he has had.
--Filppula is probably going to walk, unless he drops his asking price substantially.
--With the # of contracts we have, we will again have no room for Tatar.

So what does that leave us with??? (outside of free agency)

Seems like we will have to split zetterberg and franzen unless we sign a free agent center or put Franzen at center.

Franzen-Zetterberg-Brunner
Nyquist-Datsyuk-Abdelkader
Cleary-Helm-Samuelsson
Bertuzzi-Andersson-Tooto
Emmerton
Eaves

Kronwall-Ericsson
Smith-Dekeyser
Kindl-Quincey
CC
Lashoff

Howard
Gustavsson/Mrazek

Yikes... Do we even have the option to go after free agents with the amount of guys we have under contract?

Are we going to be forced to buy some guys out to drop some dead weight???

I really hope all of Cleary/Bertuzzi/Samuelsson are gone next year but I have a funny feeling that will not be the case.
1. I'm thinkin' those guys are gonna be back too, Bert and Sammy have been decent and on the fourth line it doesn't really matter too much.
2. Cleary and Miller aren't coming back, it simply is time to look in another direction, same with Fil and White. I'd keep Fil if he signs something short-term and preferably cheap, but I think he wants to get paid.
3. Helm should hopefully be back, he's had some bad luck on the injury front and this team really needs him.
4. Tatar will be up full time. He's better than a lot of current Wings and still has room to grow, it simply is time.

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Wings make a trade for the Sedins:


Howard
Rights to Flippula
Nyquist
Jurco
Sproul
Det 1st
Det 3rd


Sedin
Sedin
Luongo

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Abdelkader
Sedin-Sedin-Brunner
Tatar-Helm-Samuelsson
Bertuzzi-Andersson-Miller

Kronwall-Ericsson
Smith-Anyone but Quincey
Kindl-Colaiacovo

Luongo
Mrazek

Defenseman free agents I believe are: Visnovsky, Streit, Gonchar, Hainsey, Regher, Scuderi, Murray, Lydman, Roszival

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Wings make a trade for the Sedins:


Howard
Rights to Flippula
Nyquist
Jurco
Sproul
Det 1st
Det 3rd


Sedin
Sedin
Luongo

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Abdelkader
Sedin-Sedin-Brunner
Tatar-Helm-Samuelsson
Bertuzzi-Andersson-Miller

Kronwall-Ericsson
Smith-Anyone but Quincey
Kindl-Colaiacovo

Luongo
Mrazek
No thanks to 17.5mil in salary while gutting the farm

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Wings make a trade for the Sedins:


Howard
Rights to Flippula
Nyquist
Jurco
Sproul
Det 1st
Det 3rd


Sedin
Sedin
Luongo

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Abdelkader
Sedin-Sedin-Brunner
Tatar-Helm-Samuelsson
Bertuzzi-Andersson-Miller

Kronwall-Ericsson
Smith-Anyone but Quincey
Kindl-Colaiacovo

Luongo
Mrazek

Defenseman free agents I believe are: Visnovsky, Streit, Gonchar, Hainsey, Regher, Scuderi, Murray, Lydman, Roszival
That would be a monster lineup (even though I don't like the Sisters.)
That trade wouldn't happen in today's cap-happy NHL either.

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Ken Holland would chop off both his testicles before he'd even entertain a trade like that.

It is very intriguing though. Would arguably be the best two lines in hockey.

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For what its worth, i think the Miller bros end up together in a place not called Detroit.

Hope cleary and to a lesser extent sammy go. Cant really say anything more til after the draft.

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No thanks to 17.5mil in salary while gutting the farm
Yeah and the downgrade in goal.

Pretty against anything that moves that many players, even if I think the Sedin's are awesome and get a lot of undeserved hate. I don't know if that package gets the Sedin twins anyway. Have no interest in Luongo over Howard, he is older and they really are about the same thing these days anyway.

By the way the Sedin twins would need an Abdelkader type, they wouldn't play with Brunner.

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Wings make a trade for the Sedins:


Howard
Rights to Flippula
Nyquist
Jurco
Sproul
Det 1st
Det 3rd


Sedin
Sedin
Luongo


No.

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Wings make a trade for the Sedins:


Howard
Rights to Flippula
Nyquist
Jurco
Sproul
Det 1st
Det 3rd


Sedin
Sedin
Luongo

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Abdelkader
Sedin-Sedin-Brunner
Tatar-Helm-Samuelsson
Bertuzzi-Andersson-Miller

Kronwall-Ericsson
Smith-Anyone but Quincey
Kindl-Colaiacovo

Luongo
Mrazek

Defenseman free agents I believe are: Visnovsky, Streit, Gonchar, Hainsey, Regher, Scuderi, Murray, Lydman, Roszival
This will never work. Lydman is damaged goods

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Wings make a trade for the Sedins:


Howard
Rights to Flippula
Nyquist
Jurco
Sproul
Det 1st
Det 3rd


Sedin
Sedin
Luongo

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Abdelkader
Sedin-Sedin-Brunner
Tatar-Helm-Samuelsson
Bertuzzi-Andersson-Miller

Kronwall-Ericsson
Smith-Anyone but Quincey
Kindl-Colaiacovo

Luongo
Mrazek

Defenseman free agents I believe are: Visnovsky, Streit, Gonchar, Hainsey, Regher, Scuderi, Murray, Lydman, Roszival
Lets pretend Luongo isn't in this... because i just think howard is better.

Z, Pav, Sedin, Sedin? Wow
We are stronger than pittsburgh!!

Still no sniper, but still.

If this was on the table honestly. HONESTLY. Think about it.

D (35)
Z(33)
Sedin (34)
Sedin (34)

Im guessing the ages, but those are close.

I like Tatar and Nyquist alot. But honestly, getting both Sedins would make selling 5 players on the farm worth it.

We would jump to contender instantly.

I would try and keep Kindl and Smith

Honestly though... Vancouver rebuilds completely here. But even though, I don't think our young players are enough. I think the Minnesota Wild could easily trade much more skilled young players than us. I think another team would beat us if the Sedins were on the table.

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--So as of right now Bertuzzi and Samuelsson are both healthy and playing, and both guys have a year on their contract. Unless they retire (which I doubt), you have to figure they'll be back next year since Holland usually doesn't buy guys out.
--Cleary hasn't played bad in the playoffs, and I will be VERY surprised if he doesn't get extended and come back next year.
--Have to figure Helm will be healthy by next fall with the rest and whatnot he has had.
--Filppula is probably going to walk, unless he drops his asking price substantially.
--With the # of contracts we have, we will again have no room for Tatar.

So what does that leave us with??? (outside of free agency)

Seems like we will have to split zetterberg and franzen unless we sign a free agent center or put Franzen at center.

Franzen-Zetterberg-Brunner
Nyquist-Datsyuk-Abdelkader
Cleary-Helm-Samuelsson
Bertuzzi-Andersson-Tooto
Emmerton
Eaves

Kronwall-Ericsson
Smith-Dekeyser
Kindl-Quincey
CC
Lashoff

Howard
Gustavsson/Mrazek

Yikes... Do we even have the option to go after free agents with the amount of guys we have under contract?

Are we going to be forced to buy some guys out to drop some dead weight???

I really hope all of Cleary/Bertuzzi/Samuelsson are gone next year but I have a funny feeling that will not be the case.
Where did this Holland doesn't usually buy guys out notion even come from? The only other time you were even allowed too buy out players was after the 2004-05 lockout. Did he not buy out McCarty, Whitney AND Hatcher? Seems like the only opportunity he had too buy out players saw him buying out three of them...

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