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05-11-2013, 03:25 AM
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He certainly did not do much on New Years Eve, and the contrast with Tretiak standing on his head in the other end was pretty extreme.


Another myth: That New Years game was "the best ever played"; Epic battle, Red Army vs Montreal Canadiens, but Canadiens skaters totally outplayed the Red Army and Tretiak totally outplayed Dryden...was extremely entertaining, but hardly the best hockey ever...and Montreal was just starting to get there game back and hardly dominant at that point in time.
I don't know about that... It was pretty great. As someone who wasn't even born when the game was played, it's one of my favourite games to watch. The quality of play was outstanding and the speed was exceptional for the time.

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The cliche that Wayne Gretzky was all brains and instinct.

Wayne Gretzky is one of if not the fastest and most agile skaters ever

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The cliche that Wayne Gretzky was all brains and instinct.

Wayne Gretzky is one of if not the fastest and most agile skaters ever
I know I'll catch hell for this comparison...

But Wayne Gretzky and Jiri Hudler were similar. Both were average skaters as far as actual speed went, but very agile and had good acceleration. Despite being small players, they were not "soft" players. (another general myth, small=soft?)

Obviously there's no comparison in skill level.

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The cliche that Wayne Gretzky was all brains and instinct.

Wayne Gretzky is one of if not the fastest and most agile skaters ever
One of the most agile prior to '91 yes but he was never the fastest, not in the top end sense at least. Gretzky had phenomenal acceleration though.
Only players I have seen with that level of acceleration are Orr and Bure, maybe Yzerman before he blew his first knee.
Gretzky didn't have the extra top end gears that Orr and Bure had though.

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05-11-2013, 01:11 PM
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One of the most agile prior to '91 yes but he was never the fastest, not in the top end sense at least. Gretzky had phenomenal acceleration though.
Only players I have seen with that level of acceleration are Orr and Bure, maybe Yzerman before he blew his first knee.
Gretzky didn't have the extra top end gears that Orr and Bure had though.
Wayne Gretzky had the best appreciation of hockey geometry - the arcs, the angles, the complete rink,. Not only from moving the puck but from a skating standpoint as well. Always ideally positioned to play the puck, optimal body and stick positioning.

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Wayne Gretzky had the best appreciation of hockey geometry - the arcs, the angles, the complete rink,. Not only from moving the puck but from a skating standpoint as well. Always ideally positioned to play the puck, optimal body and stick positioning.
Ya, his speed was deceptive. Really fast acceleration. Like he'd practiced 100M starts in the blocks extensively, only no lanes, you could go left or right, sideways. Wound out however as Rhiessan states not exactly Usain Bolt, but for the way he played it, absolutely ideal. He played a lot of the game on a subconscious metaphysical level as well, intellectually, instinctively. If you could measure passion, love for a game, and most all players, fans, we here, well, everyones got that to varying degree's but with Gretzky, it went beyond the norm, beyond an obsession. He was like a Stradivarius, an instrument of the finest quality. Picked up on the harmonic resonances of the game, flying around 3rd eye open. A 10yr old at 25, 30yrs of age. Deeply passionate, pure joy, love, that nothing was impossible. Word doesnt exist. Its the same with all the greats, the most prolific, Richard, Howe, Orr, Lafleur, Lemieux, Bossy to a lesser extent, varying degree's. Same with goaltenders.

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Ya, his speed was deceptive. Really fast acceleration. Like he'd practiced 100M starts in the blocks extensively, only no lanes, you could go left or right, sideways. Wound out however as Rhiessan states not exactly Usain Bolt, but for the way he played it, absolutely ideal. He played a lot of the game on a subconscious metaphysical level as well, intellectually, instinctively. If you could measure passion, love for a game, and most all players, fans, we here, well, everyones got that to varying degree's but with Gretzky, it went beyond the norm, beyond an obsession. He was like a Stradivarius, an instrument of the finest quality. Picked up on the harmonic resonances of the game, flying around 3rd eye open. A 10yr old at 25, 30yrs of age. Deeply passionate, pure joy, love, that nothing was impossible. Word doesnt exist. Its the same with all the greats, the most prolific, Richard, Howe, Orr, Lafleur, Lemieux, Bossy to a lesser extent, varying degree's. Same with goaltenders.
That was tough to read, wow.

Small/European = soft is definitely an annoying myth.

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05-11-2013, 04:28 PM
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Heres one thats maybe a case of semantics', but the story that Bob Baun scored a winner in the SC Finals "on a broken leg" isnt exactly accurate. He had a broken bone in his ankle after sliding out & stopping a shot from Howe. Refused to see a Doctor after being carried off on a stretcher as he knew it was serious & likely wouldnt have been permitted to return, instead swallowing a handful of painkillers and tightly taping it up. Broken bone in the "ankle" is not a "broken leg".
The bone that was fractured was the fibula, which is a bone of the lower leg that articulates at the ankle. It's a non-weight bearing bone, so playing on it would have been possible (albeit painful).

The question, then, is where the fracture occurred. And without being able to look at Baun's x-rays, it's impossible to say. It's possible that he broke this bone above the ankle, in which case it's technically a broken leg. It's possible that he broke it at the ankle. In this case, because of the bone involved, calling it a broken ankle is as accurate as calling it a broken leg...either one is possible, and we'll never know for sure. Calling it a fractured fibula is more accurate, and let the other person decide to call it whatever they want.

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That was tough to read, wow.

Small/European = soft is definitely an annoying myth.
... sorry. Enjoying a rather tasty Spanish Merlot. Soft, but deadly.

And interesting thing about that, your comparison of Gretzky to some of the highly creative Europeans & Russians, its bang-on accurate. The Sedins, Datsyuk, Bure, Kurri etc, and Im only talking forwards, the defencemen as well but deserving of a separate post, all of them completely free-thinkers. Never bridled, the creativity coached out of them. Ovechkins' an interesting study. Looked awkward suddenly playing both ends of the rink, forced to do so without a supporting cast. Foolishness on the part of the Caps', McPhee, that after this long he hasnt been able to get his act together & build on his Superstars' strengths. Incompetence. His downfall.

Though born here, Gretzky was raised in a sheltered environment, very close to his Grandparents, his father Walter, not the depth of integration into Canadian society living in rural Brantford that 1st, 2nd nor in some cases even 3rd generation kids would just naturally experience in an urban setting. The old ways,the old country still honoured, traditions practised. A long & proud history, forced emigration. Wont let go & why should they? There are all kinds of examples in the hockey world and from that region specifically, Kitchener/Guelph/Waterloo, SW Ontario & Toronto, parts of Montreal, a lot of post & pre-war kids who seriously overachieved. Names like Stanislav Guoth Mikita among the many.

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05-11-2013, 05:16 PM
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That was tough to read, wow.

Small/European = soft is definitely an annoying myth.
You must be new here wait till Killion writes one of his masterpieces.

Think of a hockey post written by Dali.

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... sorry. Enjoying a rather tasty Spanish Merlot. Soft, but deadly.
In related news the sun rose in the east on the west coast this morning.

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And interesting thing about that, your comparison of Gretzky to some of the highly creative Europeans & Russians, its bang-on accurate. The Sedins, Datsyuk, Bure, Kurri etc, and Im only talking forwards, the defencemen as well but deserving of a separate post, all of them completely free-thinkers. Never bridled, the creativity coached out of them. Ovechkins' an interesting study. Looked awkward suddenly playing both ends of the rink, forced to do so without a supporting cast. Foolishness on the part of the Caps', McPhee, that after this long he hasnt been able to get his act together & build on his Superstars' strengths. Incompetence. His downfall.

Though born here, Gretzky was raised in a sheltered environment, very close to his Grandparents, his father Walter, not the depth of integration into Canadian society living in rural Brantford that 1st, 2nd nor in some cases even 3rd generation kids would just naturally experience in an urban setting. The old ways,the old country still honoured, traditions practised. A long & proud history, forced emigration. Wont let go & why should they? There are all kinds of examples in the hockey world and from that region specifically, Kitchener/Guelph/Waterloo, SW Ontario & Toronto, parts of Montreal, a lot of post & pre-war kids who seriously overachieved. Names like Stanislav Guoth Mikita among the many.
What truly separates Gretzky from the pack isn't just his skill though, it was his game preparation and absolute burning desire to be the best.

Truth be told there were other as skilled or better, in many facets of the game, but very few had the passion and desire to be the absolute best for as long as Wayne had it.

The kid in Pittsburgh has some of that same passion but unfortunately has had the same bad luck as the other previous superstar in Pittsburgh and not the relative health that Wayne enjoyed.

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Dead Puck era

not really a myth but an outright misnomer and cheap and lazy ripoff from baseball.

the term "dead ball era" actually refers to the ball being dead, reused over and over again thus causing HR's and offensive production to go down.

The term "dead puck era" is factually just plain wrong, the puck wasn't dead, didn't alter from the eras before and after.

It's really the "clutch and grab era" or "the time the goalies took over" era.

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One that hasnt been mentioned: The 94-95 Devils came out of nowhere to win the Cup.

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You must be new here wait till Killion writes one of his masterpieces. Think of a hockey post written by Dali... Truth be told there were other as skilled or better, in many facets of the game, but very few had the passion and desire to be the absolute best for as long as Wayne had it.
Ya, not allowed meme's, actual photographs so I'll leave that one alone. You cant take pictures on drugs, while inebriated as I now truly am.. and what did I say eva? Passion. Your just reiterating precisely what I said and boring people to death... Stahp!

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And lastly, why did Detroit lose Osgood in the 2001 waiver draft, I understand protecting Hasek but why Legace over Osgood? And why couldn't they trade Osgood, surely he had some value?
To be fair, there was a deal for Mike York that almost happened. Sather offered him and Holland accepted. If memory serves, though, Sather subsequently demanded that the Wings pick up some of Osgood's salary, and that's where the deal fell apart.

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The bone that was fractured was the fibula, which is a bone of the lower leg that articulates at the ankle....
Where did you find these medical records to speak so authoritatively MB? Id liketa know, because
to date, Mystery.... Fibula, Tibula, Pituitary Gland? Koff coff coff. Hec Ramsey... Like ta know.

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One of the most agile prior to '91 yes but he was never the fastest, not in the top end sense at least. Gretzky had phenomenal acceleration though.
Only players I have seen with that level of acceleration are Orr and Bure, maybe Yzerman before he blew his first knee.
Gretzky didn't have the extra top end gears that Orr and Bure had though.
If wasn't the fastest he was like top 3

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To be fair, there was a deal for Mike York that almost happened. Sather offered him and Holland accepted. If memory serves, though, Sather subsequently demanded that the Wings pick up some of Osgood's salary, and that's where the deal fell apart.
I don't recall ever hearing anything about Osgood for York, but I wouldn't be surprised if this were true as you've laid it out; Osgood was the waiver choice due to his salary.

I honestly do wonder if Holland ever felt out any potential Legace trades.

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If wasn't the fastest he was like top 3
Ahead of who?

Paul Coffey, Russ Courtnall, Mike Gartner, Denis Savard, among others?

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Ya, his speed was deceptive. Really fast acceleration. Like he'd practiced 100M starts in the blocks extensively, only no lanes, you could go left or right, sideways. Wound out however as Rhiessan states not exactly Usain Bolt, but for the way he played it, absolutely ideal. He played a lot of the game on a subconscious metaphysical level as well, intellectually, instinctively. If you could measure passion, love for a game, and most all players, fans, we here, well, everyones got that to varying degree's but with Gretzky, it went beyond the norm, beyond an obsession. He was like a Stradivarius, an instrument of the finest quality. Picked up on the harmonic resonances of the game, flying around 3rd eye open. A 10yr old at 25, 30yrs of age. Deeply passionate, pure joy, love, that nothing was impossible. Word doesnt exist. Its the same with all the greats, the most prolific, Richard, Howe, Orr, Lafleur, Lemieux, Bossy to a lesser extent, varying degree's. Same with goaltenders.
I know it's been posted here before, in the early 80's (1982?) Gretzky took part in a "superstar" competition in Sweden. He beat out Björn Borg (a man who never tired), Stenmark (iron legs), Keenan and Pelé (needing no introduction I hope) in 100m sprint. That's not cat**** as we say in Sweden.

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the term "dead ball era" actually refers to the ball being dead, reused over and over again thus causing HR's and offensive production to go down.
No, the "dead ball era" refers to how they made baseballs prior to 1920. In 1920, MLB added a cork center to the baseball which created a livelier ball. A livelier ball resulted in more home runs and extra base hits. The other unofficial "dead ball era" in MLB history was in the late 1960's, when pitching was extremely strong. After Bob Gibson's incredible 1968 season, among other great seasons from other pitchers, MLB lowered the height of the mound by 5 inches. This reduced the advantage the pitcher had over hitters.

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I know it's been posted here before, in the early 80's (1982?) Gretzky took part in a "superstar" competition in Sweden. He beat out Björn Borg (a man who never tired), Stenmark (iron legs), Keenan and Pelé (needing no introduction I hope) in 100m sprint. That's not cat**** as we say in Sweden.
Didnt see it, but I believe it.

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Here's a good myth: Steve Smith cost the Oilers a Stanley Cup and potentially 5+ in a row.

Talking about it today, many people act like that was a one-game series and the own goal by Smith was the only score of the game or something. Had that goal not gone in, it would have been a 2-2 game in a series where the teams had each scored 24 goals. Not to mention, the Flames still had to successfully defend a 1 goal lead for almost 15 minutes, which they did. I don't think it's unreasonable to say there was a 50-50 chance the Flames win that game even if Smith doesn't bank it in off of Fuhr.

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Ahead of who?

Paul Coffey, Russ Courtnall, Mike Gartner, Denis Savard, among others?
Agreed.

Maybe this is the start of a new myth, Gretzky fastest skater of his time.

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Where did you find these medical records to speak so authoritatively MB? Id liketa know, because
to date, Mystery.... Fibula, Tibula, Pituitary Gland? Koff coff coff. Hec Ramsey... Like ta know.
"A knight without armor in a savage land."

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Here's a good myth: Steve Smith cost the Oilers a Stanley Cup and potentially 5+ in a row.

Talking about it today, many people act like that was a one-game series and the own goal by Smith was the only score of the game or something. Had that goal not gone in, it would have been a 2-2 game in a series where the teams had each scored 24 goals. Not to mention, the Flames still had to successfully defend a 1 goal lead for almost 15 minutes, which they did. I don't think it's unreasonable to say there was a 50-50 chance the Flames win that game even if Smith doesn't bank it in off of Fuhr.
My in-laws (brother and father) like to blame Fuhr for that one. Moog fans, of course.

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