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05-10-2013, 07:12 PM
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Wow. Anyone who takes Scheifele, Couturier, or Saad over Strome at this point would be making a huge mistake. Upside matters. The only players who would merit a rise into the top-5 are Hamilton and Brodin, and Hamilton could have easily been taken top-5 on draft day considering the time the Isles spent with both Strome and Hamilton.

My take

1. RNH
2. Landeskog
3. Huberdeau
4. Larrsson
5. Hamilton
6. Brodin
7. Strome
8. Zibanejed
9. Couturier
10. Schiefele
You complain about people not taking into account upside and then go on to rank Shiefele above Baertschi...

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05-11-2013, 01:13 PM
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shoulder surgeries arent as serious in the new NHL.. If anything it'll prolong the careers of these kids. Surely didnt hurt the production of Hall, Gaborik, Kessel, Lecavalier, Kesler and many before him..
Gaborik's release hasn't been the same since his latest surgery. Though, some of it could be attributed to him getting older.

Same with Vinny, he was one of the best in the game. Now he's excellent 2nd line C, #1C on some teams.

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05-11-2013, 10:01 PM
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Landeskog
Zibanejad
Huberdeau
Brodin
Hamilton
Couturier
Larsson
Baertschi
Pageau
Hopkins
Scheifele
Strome
Klefbom

Most 2011 draftees that have played in the NHL have played better than hopkins. One of the worst first overall picks of the decade next to Johnson, Fleury and DiPietro.

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05-11-2013, 10:08 PM
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Landeskog
Zibanejad
Huberdeau
Brodin
Hamilton
Couturier
Larsson
Baertschi
Pageau
Hopkins
Scheifele
Strome
Klefbom

Most 2011 draftees that have played in the NHL have played better than hopkins. One of the worst first overall picks of the decade next to Johnson, Fleury and DiPietro.
LOL. He had a good 1st round. Calm down ahead of Hopkins, Strome and Scheifele.

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05-11-2013, 10:11 PM
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Landeskog
Zibanejad
Huberdeau
Brodin
Hamilton
Couturier
Larsson
Baertschi
Pageau
Hopkins

Scheifele
Strome
Klefbom

Most 2011 draftees that have played in the NHL have played better than hopkins. One of the worst first overall picks of the decade next to Johnson, Fleury and DiPietro.
Yeah no.

Hopkins had a tough year this year playing on a shoulder that needed operation. Definitely no reason for alarm and certainly no reason to put JG flippin' Pageau ahead of him.

He's still the most promising and talented player from the 2011 draft and the one who has had the most impact on the league to this point, like it or not.

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05-11-2013, 10:12 PM
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Landeskog
Zibanejad
Huberdeau
Brodin
Hamilton
Couturier
Larsson
Baertschi
Pageau
Hopkins
Scheifele
Strome
Klefbom

Most 2011 draftees that have played in the NHL have played better than hopkins. One of the worst first overall picks of the decade next to Johnson, Fleury and DiPietro.
Hmm, care to explain why he leads all 2011 draftees in career points and career ppg?

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05-11-2013, 10:13 PM
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Landeskog
Zibanejad
Huberdeau
Brodin
Hamilton
Couturier
Larsson
Baertschi
Pageau
Hopkins
Scheifele
Strome
Klefbom

Most 2011 draftees that have played in the NHL have played better than hopkins. One of the worst first overall picks of the decade next to Johnson, Fleury and DiPietro.
Ottawa fan? But no, RNH deserves the #1 spot, ahead of Landeskog.

EDIT: Yep, you are... that explains the egregious homerism in your post.

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05-11-2013, 10:29 PM
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Hmm, care to explain why he leads all 2011 draftees in career points and career ppg?
ppg didn't help Tampa Bay and Philadelphia.

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05-12-2013, 03:37 AM
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Scheifele > Strome
Well thought out respose backed by solid facts, nicely done.

Strome >> Scheifele

See, I can do that too. And I put two of >, so mine must be more right.

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05-12-2013, 03:38 AM
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Landeskog
Zibanejad
Huberdeau
Brodin
Hamilton
Couturier
Larsson
Baertschi
Pageau
Hopkins
Scheifele
Strome
Klefbom

Most 2011 draftees that have played in the NHL have played better than hopkins. One of the worst first overall picks of the decade next to Johnson, Fleury and DiPietro.
Much needed laugh, thanks for that!

How long have you been a comedian BTW and where can I see your act?

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05-12-2013, 03:41 AM
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As for my list, it's too early for most of these guys but IMO Baertschi and Klefbom move up while Larsson falls a bit. It's too early to tell if Strome and Scheifele warranted their draft position or not.

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05-12-2013, 03:52 AM
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As for my list, it's too early for most of these guys but IMO Baertschi and Klefbom move up while Larsson falls a bit. It's too early to tell if Strome and Scheifele warranted their draft position or not.
So two guys NOT playing in the NHL move up, but a guy who IS playing in the NHL moves down?

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Hey guys, where would you rank Rickard Rakell as of right now? He went #30. Would he be lower or higher today?

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So two guys NOT playing in the NHL move up, but a guy who IS playing in the NHL moves down?
Baertschi is playing in the NHL....


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05-12-2013, 08:54 AM
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1. RNH
2. Landeskog
3. Huberdeau
4. Brodin
5. Larsson
6. Hamilton
7. Couturier
8. Zibanejad
9. Schiefele
10. Strome/Bärtschi

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Aside from the extreme homerism from certain Sens' fans, the underrating of Zibanejad continues.

The only two players (as of right now) who I can see passing him are Brodin and Hamilton (and i still take Zibanejad over them).

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3 pages and nobody mentioned Nikita Kucherov and Ondrej Palat yet?
Both would go in the first round now. Kucherov has all the talent to become a superstar, but a one dimensional one and Palat will be an amazing shutdown forward with great a playmaking ability.

And I think Namestnikov still belongs in the first round (as response to the 30 picks list).

I know I am a Tampa fan and all three are Tampa picks, but after all, they played better than some of the other guys. As examples Jensen, Pageau, Harrington, Shaw (his AHL numbers aren't impressive, but his NHL numbers are quit good on one of the top4 teams), Noesen

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Joel Armia could be a boom or bust pick. I really liked the Sabres picking him but I acknowledge he has a chance of busting. However, with his talent and goal scoring prowess, he could be a top 10 player in this class. Next year, should be his first in North America likely in the AHL.

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Couturier and Saad are already playing big roles in the NHL and Scheifele had a better PPG ratio than Strome.
Upside is great, if Strome doesn't get hurt before he proves something....I'll go with Saad & Couturier now.

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05-12-2013, 07:27 PM
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This draft in retrospect is looking very good and deep. Lots of top talent taken in the first round, plus a lot of guys that were taken later that look very good.

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3 pages and nobody mentioned Nikita Kucherov and Ondrej Palat yet?
Both would go in the first round now. Kucherov has all the talent to become a superstar, but a one dimensional one and Palat will be an amazing shutdown forward with great a playmaking ability.

And I think Namestnikov still belongs in the first round (as response to the 30 picks list).

I know I am a Tampa fan and all three are Tampa picks, but after all, they played better than some of the other guys. As examples Jensen, Pageau, Harrington, Shaw (his AHL numbers aren't impressive, but his NHL numbers are quit good on one of the top4 teams), Noesen
Palat probably goes in the later part of the second round in a redraft. Namestnikov is a 1st round second round tweener. Could go either way. Kucherov jumps up to the top 25.

I cant rank Palat higher becuase he was an overager. He's already 22, three years older than some people in the draft.

But a strong draft for tampa either way.

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05-12-2013, 08:06 PM
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Saad and Shaw get no respect. Lol. Hawks unfortunately will just have to settle on taking these guys.

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05-12-2013, 08:09 PM
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I don't think this one has been done yet. What sparked my interest was Mark Schiefele's great performance vs London. He had been viewed as the weak link of the top 10, now he looks really legit. The whole top 10 looks great now. I don't see a single bust there, which is unusual. I want to see other people's lists before I attempt one, as I haven't personally watched a lot of the players. The whole 1st round looks strong. 2nd round looks great. 3rd and even 4th have some good players also.
Still way to early to tell, as alot of guys either haven't made the NHL and/or are still getting better.

Basically any list today of say the top 10,20,30 will have probably at least a 25% change in 5-6 years time when we actually see how it all shakes out.

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1. Landeskog
2. Huberdeau
3. Nugent Hopkins
4. Zibanejad
5. Brodin
6. Baertschi
7. Saad
8. Larsson
9. Hamilton
10. Couturier

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Where would you guys rank Pageau, from an unbiased position? (I am a Sens fan, and do not want that to cloud my judgement)

He has played a good first year pro, and looked very good in his brief (14 games) NHL stint.

Very good for a fourth round pick who was un-ranked most of the year leading to his draft.

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