HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > The Business of Hockey
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
The Business of Hockey Discuss the financial and business aspects of the NHL. Topics may include the CBA, work stoppages, broadcast contracts, franchise sales, and NHL revenues.

In the never ending saga of concussions

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
04-23-2013, 01:02 PM
  #401
LadyStanley
Elasmobranchology-go
 
LadyStanley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: North of the Tank
Country: United States
Posts: 57,395
vCash: 500
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nhl...sion-symptoms/

Intro to (paid access) "Chris Pronger has a headache" article, looking at the path Pronger's been through. (Also in 4/22 SI magazine)

LadyStanley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-03-2013, 04:22 PM
  #402
InjuredChoker
Registered User
 
InjuredChoker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: LTIR or golf course
Posts: 20,346
vCash: 682
New concussion paper here.

Quote:
An anecdotal account from Gulli (2011) reported that former professional hockey players experienced symptoms of depression, anxiety, and in some cases suicidal ideation after suffering a concussion. In partial support of this finding, functional magnetic resonance imaging scans of concussed individuals have indicated similar neural responses in brain areas commonly linked with major depression (Chen et al. 2008).
Quote:
..described challenges with his daily life, and certain endeavors in his post-athletic career.. wondered aloud during the interview, was whether his inability to recollect details such as names and phone numbers resulted from concussions or a natural aging process.. noted that multiple concussions altered his mood and he “became a different person.” He suggested that this altered mood contributed to his failed marriage.. was visibly frustrated with the quality of care he received from inside the game (i.e., team, league), and had it not been for what he called “chance encounters” with caring medical professionals, he feared things may have turned out much differently. Specifically, he admitted he contemplated taking his life as a result of his concussions and the ongoing pain he experienced from his headaches.. all five of the participants said they still experienced concussion symptoms (4–14 years after retirement) in their day-to-day lives..
Quote:
noted, “There aren’t too many days that go by where I don’t have some type of discomfort in terms of headaches or head pressure. I don’t think it will ever resolve.. You’re on your own little island. . . . You’re not really around the guys because the team doesn’t want you around the guys. They don’t want injured guys around. They don’t want that epidemic around and you’re cast aside.. I was at the point where I’d be driving along and would think about going full speed and hitting the wall. Just end it. The pain was unbelievable. I had headaches every day for a minimum of three and a half years. Not just a little headache where you want to take an aspirin. I almost wanted to scream. If I had a day off
from my headaches it was like I won Super 7. I was ecstatic, I could see, I could think..
Also

Quote:
Br J Sports Med. 2013 May 1. [Epub ahead of print]
A systematic video analysis of National Hockey League (NHL) concussions, part II: how concussions occur in the NHL.
Hutchison MG, Comper P, Meeuwisse WH, Echemendia RJ.

David L. MacIntosh Sports Medicine Clinic, Faculty of Kinesiology & Physical Education, University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

This work aims to describe how concussions occur in the National Hockey League.

Case series of medically diagnosed concussions for regular season games over a 3.5-year period during the 2006-2010 seasons. Digital video records were coded and analysed using a standardised protocol.

88% (n=174/197) of concussions involved player-to-opponent contact. 16 diagnosed concussions were a result of fighting. Of the 158 concussions that involved player-to-opponent body contact, the most common mechanisms were direct contact to the head initiated by the shoulder 42% of the time (n=66/158), by the elbow 15% (n=24/158) and by gloves in 5% of cases (n=8/158). When the results of anatomical location are combined with initial contact, almost half of these events (n=74/158) were classified as direct contact to the lateral aspect of the head.

The predominant mechanism of concussion was consistently characterised by player-to-opponent contact, typically directed to the head by the shoulder, elbow or gloves. Also, several important characteristics were apparent: (1) contact was often to the lateral aspect of the head; (2) the player who suffered a concussion was often not in possession of the puck and (3) no penalty was called on the play

InjuredChoker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-07-2013, 01:15 PM
  #403
LadyStanley
Elasmobranchology-go
 
LadyStanley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: North of the Tank
Country: United States
Posts: 57,395
vCash: 500
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/comme...n_the_nhl.html

Toronto pundits calling for total ban on headshots after Montreal player Eller injured in open ice hit.

LadyStanley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-08-2013, 02:55 PM
  #404
LadyStanley
Elasmobranchology-go
 
LadyStanley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: North of the Tank
Country: United States
Posts: 57,395
vCash: 500
CTVNews 8:04am via HootSuite

Hockey Alberta eliminates body checking for peewee division players http://t.co/VaHD9nZ6Ik

LadyStanley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-10-2013, 09:37 AM
  #405
InjuredChoker
Registered User
 
InjuredChoker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: LTIR or golf course
Posts: 20,346
vCash: 682
Quote:
The incidence of concussion in professional and collegiate ice hockey: are we making progress? A systematic review of the literature.
Ruhe A, Gänsslen A, Klein W.

The fast, random nature and characteristics of ice hockey make injury prevention a challenge as high-velocity impacts with players, sticks and boards occur and may result in a variety of injuries, including concussion.

Seventeen studies met the inclusion criteria. The heterogeneous diagnostic procedures and criteria for concussion prevented a pooling of data. When comparing the injury data of European and North American or Canadian leagues, the latter show a higher percentage of concussions in relation to the overall number of injuries (2-7% compared with 5.3-18.6%). The incidence ranged from 0.2/1000 to 6.5/1000 game-hours, 0.72/1000 to 1.81/1000 athlete-exposures and was estimated at 0.1/1000 practice-hours.

The included studies indicate a high incidence of concussion in professional and collegiate ice hockey. Despite all efforts there is no conclusive evidence that rule changes or other measures lead to a decrease in the actual incidence of concussions over the last few decades. This review supports the need for standardisation of the diagnostic criteria and reporting protocols for concussion to allow interstudy comparisons in the future.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23645831

InjuredChoker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-12-2013, 06:10 PM
  #406
str8shooter
Rookie User
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 189
vCash: 500
If they really cared, there would be a mandatory 4-6 week recovery period after a concussion. This has been conclusively shown to lower the reoccurrence rate going forward. Everything else is B.S., they (NHL and owners) don't give adequate recovery time because it might cost them money.

str8shooter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-12-2013, 07:36 PM
  #407
LadyStanley
Elasmobranchology-go
 
LadyStanley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: North of the Tank
Country: United States
Posts: 57,395
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by str8shooter View Post
If they really cared, there would be a mandatory 4-6 week recovery period after a concussion. This has been conclusively shown to lower the reoccurrence rate going forward. Everything else is B.S., they (NHL and owners) don't give adequate recovery time because it might cost them money.
And the long history of players playing "through" concussions to be considered "manly" and tough.

Times change.

Perhaps there will be a mandatory "sit out period" once a concussion has been diagnosed.

But as can be seen with Crosby and even Pronger, is there really a "set time"? It's really on each individual and how they recover.

LadyStanley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-18-2013, 12:05 PM
  #408
LadyStanley
Elasmobranchology-go
 
LadyStanley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: North of the Tank
Country: United States
Posts: 57,395
vCash: 500
SBJLizMullen 6:31am via Twitter for BlackBerry®

NFL attorney Gary Gertzog: 224 concussion cases have been filed by players v NFL or its entities. Sports Lawyers Association SLA

LadyStanley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-06-2013, 01:20 PM
  #409
LadyStanley
Elasmobranchology-go
 
LadyStanley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: North of the Tank
Country: United States
Posts: 57,395
vCash: 500
EricOnSportsLaw 10:08am via web Andy McDonald says could play another couple of years but is concerned about his brain; another indication tides are shifting - permanently




(St Louis Blues forward announced retirement today)

LadyStanley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-06-2013, 05:30 PM
  #410
LadyStanley
Elasmobranchology-go
 
LadyStanley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: North of the Tank
Country: United States
Posts: 57,395
vCash: 500
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/210324571.html

The estate of NFL player/coach Lew Carpenter is suing NFL.
Quote:
Carpenter died in November 2010 while suffering from an advanced case of chronic traumatic encephalopathy, or CTE, and his former wife, now the representative of his estate, blames the NFL's "acts and/or omissions" in hiding the true risks of brain injury that accompanies play in the league.
...
The 80-page complaint covers, in exhaustive detail, the history of research about concussions and football, and the NFL's actions regarding how such information was developed and related, or kept from, players and the public.
Like the dozens of similar suits against the league, it claims several causes of action, including wrongful death, negligent misrepresentation and civil conspiracy/fraudulent concealment.
Carpenter's former wife (they divorced in 1996 in part due to behavior brought on by problems the suit attributes to Carpenter's concussion-related brain conditions) is represented by Gene Locks, a Philadephia lawyer involved in many of the NFL concussion case. Derzon & Menard serves as local counsel.



Direct link to complaint: http://media.jrn.com/documents/Carpenter+v.+NFL.pdf

LadyStanley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-10-2013, 04:28 PM
  #411
LadyStanley
Elasmobranchology-go
 
LadyStanley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: North of the Tank
Country: United States
Posts: 57,395
vCash: 500
http://www.tsn.ca/nfl/story/?id=425133

Quote:
A U.S. federal judge in Philadelphia plans to rule next month on whether former players can sue the National Football League over concussion-related injuries.

The NFL wants the complaints handled in arbitration, not in court.

Lawyers for more than 4,200 players say in their lawsuits that the league hid the known risks of concussions and rushed players back into the game.

Senior U.S. District Judge Anita Brody says she expects to issue her ruling July 22 on whether the lawsuits can go forward.

LadyStanley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-15-2013, 01:35 PM
  #412
LadyStanley
Elasmobranchology-go
 
LadyStanley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: North of the Tank
Country: United States
Posts: 57,395
vCash: 500
http://blogs.denverpost.com/avs/2013...bout-it/13834/

Adrian Dater chatted/debated with now retired Scott Parker at his tonsorial establishment in Colorado ....

Quote:
Scott Parker was extremely gracious and just like the guy I’d always remembered, (but worried for a while if he’d gone off some kind of deep end). He came in a spirit of friendship, and I was only too glad to meet him all the way. He is suffering somewhat from concussion symptoms from his playing days. He had about 20 concussions in his playing days. I didn’t mis-type. Twenty. He talked about how he’s had to adjust to life in recent years – no bright lights, no loud noises, no riding around in motorcycles or anything else that might spin him around much. But he’s functional and seemingly happy otherwise.

LadyStanley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-18-2013, 08:06 PM
  #413
LadyStanley
Elasmobranchology-go
 
LadyStanley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: North of the Tank
Country: United States
Posts: 57,395
vCash: 500
http://www.hockeywilderness.com/2013...ion-guidelines

Quote:
In March of 2013, the American Academy of Neurology released their updated concussion guidelines. This is an update on the 1997 guidelines. One thing that differed in the creation of these guidelines from the 1997 guidelines is that they were created by a panel of mostly nonneurologists (7 of the 12 members). According to Dr. Giza, this is important because the guidelines aren't meant for just neurologists; concussions are seen by other specialists.

The previous guidelines attempted classification of the severity of concussions at occurrence and tried to predict return to play recommendations on that classification. The new guidelines do not have a set time for return to play. That is the major change in the guidelines as evidence has shown that the scales were not indicative of who was taking longer to recover.

LadyStanley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-23-2013, 03:10 PM
  #414
InjuredChoker
Registered User
 
InjuredChoker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: LTIR or golf course
Posts: 20,346
vCash: 682
NHL concussion protocol

InjuredChoker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-05-2013, 01:54 PM
  #415
InjuredChoker
Registered User
 
InjuredChoker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: LTIR or golf course
Posts: 20,346
vCash: 682
Quote:
PLoS One. 2013 Jul 17;8(7):e69122. doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0069122.

Bodychecking rules and concussion in elite hockey.
Donaldson L, Asbridge M, Cusimano MD.

Division of Neurosurgery and Injury Prevention Research Office, St. Michael's Hospital, University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada ; Canadian Brain Injury and Violence Research Team, St. Michael's Hospital, University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

Athletes participating in contact sports such as ice hockey are exposed to a high risk of suffering a concussion. We determined whether recent rule changes regulating contact to the head introduced in 2010-11 and 2011-12 have been effective in reducing the incidence of concussion in the National Hockey League (NHL). A league with a longstanding ban on hits contacting the head, the Ontario Hockey League (OHL), was also studied. A retrospective study of NHL and OHL games for the 2009-10 to 2011-12 seasons was performed using official game records and team injury reports in addition to other media sources. Concussion incidence over the 3 seasons analyzed was 5.23 per 100 NHL regular season games and 5.05 per 100 OHL regular season games (IRR 1.04; 95% CI 1.01, 1.50). When injuries described as concussion-like or suspicious of concussion were included, incidences rose to 8.8 and 7.1 per 100 games respectively (IRR 1.23; 95% CI 0.81, 1.32). The number of NHL concussions or suspected concussions was lower in 2009-10 than in 2010-11 (IRR 0.61; 95% CI 0.45, 0.83), but did not increase from 2010-11 to 2011-12 (IRR 1.05; 95% CI 0.80, 1.38). 64.2% of NHL concussions were caused by bodychecking, and only 28.4% of concussions and 36.8% of suspected concussions were caused by illegal incidents. We conclude that rules regulating bodychecking to the head did not reduce the number of players suffering concussions during NHL regular season play and that further changes or stricter enforcement of existing rules may be required to minimize the risk of players suffering these injuries
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23874888

InjuredChoker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
09-03-2013, 10:28 AM
  #416
LadyStanley
Elasmobranchology-go
 
LadyStanley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: North of the Tank
Country: United States
Posts: 57,395
vCash: 500
MikeWiseguy 6:05am via Safari on iOS Nearly half of college trainers told by coaches to get concussed players back on field before they're ready. m.chronicle.com/article/Traine…





LadyStanley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
09-05-2013, 12:03 PM
  #417
LadyStanley
Elasmobranchology-go
 
LadyStanley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: North of the Tank
Country: United States
Posts: 57,395
vCash: 500
http://www.sacbee.com/2013/09/05/570...#mi_rss=Sports

"Three former college football players are suing the NCAA, saying it failed to educate them about the risks of concussions and did not do enough to prevent, diagnose and treat brain injuries."

LadyStanley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
09-13-2013, 03:36 AM
  #418
LadyStanley
Elasmobranchology-go
 
LadyStanley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: North of the Tank
Country: United States
Posts: 57,395
vCash: 500
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sec...rticle-9246631

SF 49er Hall of Famer Ronnie Lott advocating better "protection" for all levels of football.

Quote:
San Francisco 49ers hall of famer Ronnie Lott estimates he suffered at least 20 concussions during his career, but now he is advocating better protection for players, especially at the youth and high school levels.

"We need to find ways to make sure that a doctor is on site, that a doctor is there, if we do have a head injury, that he can help that young man and make sure that that young man's welfare is taken care of," said Lott.

LadyStanley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-03-2013, 01:31 AM
  #419
LadyStanley
Elasmobranchology-go
 
LadyStanley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: North of the Tank
Country: United States
Posts: 57,395
vCash: 500
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...ttman/2898689/

AP: Former NHL players may sue for concussions, but unlikely

Quote:
The crux of the NFL lawsuit wasn't as much about players — living with the miserable effects of dementia or other concussion-related health problems — wanting their cut of the bounty, but how they instead accused the NFL of concealing the long-term dangers of concussions.

That might not be the case with the NHL, but there is enough to draw a comparison.

"Medically and scientifically, the similarities are there," said Philadelphia lawyer Larry Coben, who filed the first concussion lawsuit against the NFL. "Legally, there may be distinctions that are tougher and easier."

NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman declined comment on the impact of the NFL lawsuit. But he said the league has been proactive for decades in addressing head injuries.

LadyStanley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-08-2013, 10:52 AM
  #420
LadyStanley
Elasmobranchology-go
 
LadyStanley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: North of the Tank
Country: United States
Posts: 57,395
vCash: 500
Jeff Z. Klein ‏@jzedklein 1h At Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn., for 2nd concussion summit. Highlights coming up throughout the day.

Jeff Z. Klein ‏@jzedklein 1h Accdg to study of a jr team in Rochester MN over 2 seasons, avg. player got 7 head impacts per game. F had 40% more impacts than D.

Jeff Z. Klein ‏@jzedklein 1h Brian Benson, U. of Cgy: No evidence that mouthguards reduce concussion risk. Some evidence that full face-shields reduce conc. severity.

Jeff Z. Klein ‏@jzedklein 35m Question at Mayo Hockey Concussion Summit: If full face shields lessen concussion severity, why is NCAA considering going to half shields?

Jeff Z. Klein ‏@jzedklein 29m To be clear -- NCAA hockey only considering half shields. Full shields mandatory for at least this season and next.

Jeff Z. Klein ‏@jzedklein 17m Blaine Hoshizaki of U Ottawa on new concussion helmet sensors, chinstraps, etc., for youth hockey: "Some work, a lot don't."

Jeff Z. Klein ‏@jzedklein 16m Sports Legacy Institute in Boston working on way to certify such products for detection of potential concussion in youth football, hockey.

Jeff Z. Klein ‏@jzedklein 2m Interesting murmurs at Mayo hockey concussion conf.: helmets that reduce concussions -- the holy grail -- may be within a few years' reach.


(More through the day as I find time)

LadyStanley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-08-2013, 11:02 AM
  #421
Llama19
Registered User
 
Llama19's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Outside GZ
Country: United States
Posts: 1,599
vCash: 50
Related to the NHL issues on concussions, tonight is the PBS Special on the NFL's concussion crisis:

Source: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...gue-of-denial/


Last edited by Llama19: 10-08-2013 at 11:25 AM. Reason: Spelling...
Llama19 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-08-2013, 11:56 AM
  #422
LadyStanley
Elasmobranchology-go
 
LadyStanley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: North of the Tank
Country: United States
Posts: 57,395
vCash: 500
Jeff Z. Klein ‏@jzedklein 38m Thomas McAllister, psychiatrist, of Dartmouth: 33% of those diagnosed with brain injury experience significant depression within 12 months.


Jeff Z. Klein ‏@jzedklein 37m
McAllister's stats are for all patients with brain injury. Not enuf stats for sports concussions, but depression, anxiety often reported.


Jeff Z. Klein ‏@jzedklein 36m
McAllister advises the NFL, where post-concussion depression, anxiety, aggression comes up a lot in its current and ex-players.


Jeff Z. Klein ‏@jzedklein 33m
Ann McKee, the Boston U. reseracher whose dissections of athletes brains to see CTE damage have been revolutionary, now speaking.


Jeff Z. Klein ‏@jzedklein 33m
McKee's topic: Can we diagnose CTE during life using neuroimaging? (Research has already been published suggesting this is possible.)


Jeff Z. Klein ‏@jzedklein 29m
McKee shows slide of Derek Boogard's brain at death at age 28. He had Stage 2 CTE damage. There are 4 stages of damage.


Jeff Z. Klein ‏@jzedklein 28m
McKee: Brain of NFL'er Ollie Matson, who died at 80, had shrunk to half normal size because of CTE damage.


Jeff Z. Klein ‏@jzedklein 25m
McKee's slides: Brain shrinkage noticable in scans of brains of living athletes suspected of having CTE.


Jeff Z. Klein ‏@jzedklein 24m
McKee: "I think there is a way we can come up with a way to detect CTE using imaging. This is a very exciting time."


Jeff Z. Klein ‏@jzedklein 20m
NCAA face shield issue drawing interest. Be aware: evidence suggests full shield lessens severity of concussion, but as yet inconclusive.


Jeff Z. Klein ‏@jzedklein 2m
Q&A at Mayo. Micky Collins of UPitt concussion program advocates having concussed athletes interact socially with friends ...


Jeff Z. Klein ‏@jzedklein 1m
... rather than stay quiet in dark rooms, which can increase depression.


Jeff Z. Klein ‏@jzedklein 34s
Ann McKee: BU brain program had no female athletes' brain til recently. They are being studied. They have studied 80 or more male brains.


(Please follow Klein for further updates @ symposium)

LadyStanley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-08-2013, 07:08 PM
  #423
LadyStanley
Elasmobranchology-go
 
LadyStanley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: North of the Tank
Country: United States
Posts: 57,395
vCash: 500
http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2013/...4611381248874/
UPI article on the Mayo Clinic Ice Hockey Summit II on concussions

LadyStanley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-09-2013, 02:29 AM
  #424
Killion
Global Moderator
 
Killion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Casablanca
Country: Morocco
Posts: 23,559
vCash: 500
PBS's Frontline aired a 2hr in-depth doc on the NFL settlement & concussions this evening that was quite informative... believe you can now watch it on-line at pbs.org.

Killion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-09-2013, 11:48 AM
  #425
tony d
ATD 2015
 
tony d's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Behind A Tree
Country: Canada
Posts: 37,666
vCash: 500
Concussions are a harmful injury no matter the sport. Any movement towards reducing them is welcome news for me.

__________________
tony d is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:33 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2015 All Rights Reserved.