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Jagr vs Bourque

View Poll Results: more dominant player
Bourque 38 73.08%
Jagr 14 26.92%
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05-09-2013, 12:01 PM
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Jagr vs Bourque

Who would you consider the more dominant player over his career?

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Career? Bourque and its not close imo

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I'd say Bourque but they are both top ten players in my opinion.

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Peak goes to Jagr. Prime and career to Bourque easy, Jagr's height of prime is greater, but that doesn't supplant the 15+ year prime of Bourque (arguably his entire career is "prime" considering he was named first team all star his first and last season).

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Peak goes to Jagr. Prime and career to Bourque easy, Jagr's height of prime is greater, but that doesn't supplant the 15+ year prime of Bourque (arguably his entire career is "prime" considering he was named first team all star his first and last season).
I do think Bourque gets the edge, but I just want to point out that Jagr was a 30+ goal scorer and point/game player for 15 consecutive seasons (91-06), mostly during the dead puck era.

I believe hes the only player to do so.

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Not really a fair poll as Dmen and wingers ahve vastly different roles and Dmen tend to age better but that being said Jagr was more "dominant" IMO.

Ray was the better player and more consistent from start to finish in his career but Jagr and his style of play could be considered more dominant IMO.

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I agree that it's odd to compare a defenseman to a winger in this way. A defenseman can do more to control the game, but still be less "dominant" in the sense of steamrolling the competition.

I'm really not sure where to start, TBH. I guess you could say Bourque was more dominant compared to other defensemen than Jagr was compared to other wingers... but that's not a very informative statement, is it?

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I do think Bourque gets the edge, but I just want to point out that Jagr was a 30+ goal scorer and point/game player for 15 consecutive seasons (91-06), mostly during the dead puck era.

I believe hes the only player to do so.
Jagr and Mike Gartner share the record for most straight 30+ goal seasons with 15.


I guess you'd have to take Bourque on this one. 19 times he was a first or second team all-star. From beginning to end. The thing with Jagr is that he had a couple of lulls in his career. From 2001-'04 and then after 2008 he was gone from the NHL until the 2011-'12 season. Bourque doesn't really have that at all. He was an all-star for 17 straight years up until 1996. The following year he missed some time and by then he was slowing down a bit compared to his standards but there wasn't a gap in his career at all up until then.

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peak vs. peak, it's very close. i'd go with bourque because the nature of the position is such that a defenseman controls the flow of the game more (as has been stated above).

i'd note also that both played on teams with some good pieces, but which shouldn't have been true contenders and bourque took his teams further.

prime vs. prime, you have to go with bourque because he had more all-time great seasons, as well as being more consistently great (basically his entire career). and the fact that bourque still has more assists than jagr is also worth pointing out.

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I'd take Jagr without thinking about it twice.

But I can understand if people picked Bourque, it's hard to judge defenseman vs winger.

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Close but Bourque.

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Jagr at his worst scored 31 and 36 goals during a season... Its easily Jagr

Besides there is on 2 spots for rw AST and 4 for defenseman.

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Jagr at his worst scored 31 and 36 goals during a season... Its easily Jagr

Besides there is on 2 spots for rw AST and 4 for defenseman.
i'm pretty sure jagr never finished 3rd or 4th in AST voting, so that point, even if we are to take it seriously, doesn't apply.

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Bourque by a tad. Similar peaks, burst out of the gates, his career never really sagged at any point and he was elite until the end, and he had the better playoff runs, some Conn Smythe-worthy stuff if he had been on the winning team and hadn't run up against stacked teams.

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Jagr at his worst scored 31 and 36 goals during a season... Its easily Jagr

Besides there is on 2 spots for rw AST and 4 for defenseman.
Jagr scored 19 last year. 25 and 30 the two seasons before leaving for the KHL.



Bourque only once failed to put up 50 points in a full season. His worst season was 48 points in 82 games. In the 46 game lock-out, he put up 43 points.

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Jagr scored 19 last year. 25 and 30 the two seasons before leaving for the KHL. Bourque only once failed to put up 50 points in a full season. His worst season was 48 points in 82 games. In the 46 game lock-out, he put up 43 points.
Agreed plus we're comparing a Dman to a forward!

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Bourque doesn't really have any flaws or dips in his resume while Jagr's are the reason why he's not a top-ten player all-time in my books.

Bourque.

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Besides there is on 2 spots for rw AST and 4 for defenseman.
I believe the defense position naturally becomes about two times deeper if comparing to RW:s specifically.

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I agree bourque has the better career but all star team selections is a poor way to rank them. I mean al maccinnis has the same amount of all star selections as Patrick Roy and al isnt even remotely close to roy. Peak is jagr, career bourque.

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Jagr was selected as the best player in the World by his peers. Bourque was not.
So the answer is obvious - Jagr at his best was more dominant than Bourque at his best. AINEC.

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Ray Bourque, very close though.

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Jagr was selected as the best player in the World by his peers. Bourque was not.
So the answer is obvious - Jagr at his best was more dominant than Bourque at his best. AINEC.
Too bad the question was "over their career", not at their peak.
Under that criteria, it's Bourque AINEC

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Jagr was selected as the best player in the World by his peers. Bourque was not.
So the answer is obvious - Jagr at his best was more dominant than Bourque at his best. AINEC.
Defensemen almost never get Hart/Pearson recognition...

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Defensemen almost never get Hart/Pearson recognition...
Except for Orr.
Oh and there was this other guy that finished second to Gretzky one year and more than a few people consider him the actual Hart winner over Messier in another year.
Can't recall his name atm though

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Jagr was selected as the best player in the World by his peers. Bourque was not.
So the answer is obvious - Jagr at his best was more dominant than Bourque at his best. AINEC.
That's a bit of a two way street. If you want to say Jagr at his best (let's say 1999) is better than Bourque at his best that's no problem, but I'm not sure the reason being would be because Jagr has one Hart while Bourque doesn't. We all know the controversy over 1990. 1987 another year where he finishes 2nd and who in the world was beating a 1987 Gretzky for the Hart anyway? I realize Jagr also has some "close but no cigar" 2nd place finishes too, but it would almost come down to team needs if you are asking which player at their peak I'd want on my team. It is that close in my opinion really.

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Bourque doesn't really have any flaws or dips in his resume while Jagr's are the reason why he's not a top-ten player all-time in my books.

Bourque.
That's pretty much it with Bourque. You can argue he was the best defenseman in two decades. That's just serious longevity from a career standpoint.

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