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05-12-2013, 03:57 PM
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Oh god, you're kidding?

We're in no position to pick and choose elite talent.
IN his world hockey games are only 40 min long. So there isn't enough TOI to go around.

Zubov and Leetch had no problem getting ice time in NY back in the day.

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05-12-2013, 04:00 PM
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Gardiner has been very very impressive in these playoffs, I think it's too early to tell just how good he can be but with the way he is playing, being a legit top-pairing d-man isn't out of question. It's all up to him whether or not he can continue to show the same progression.

What a player and it's amazing how quickly he learns and adapts to playing in all situations.

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05-12-2013, 04:02 PM
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more like niedermayer and leetch.
Phaneuf, Gardiner, Rielly.

Who plays on the first power play unit? Who plays when there's one minute left, and we're down one?

One of those defenders is going to be sitting on the bench in crucial moments when he should be playing. One will be underutilized. It's inevitable.

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05-12-2013, 04:06 PM
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IN his world hockey games are only 40 min long. So there isn't enough TOI to go around.

Zubov and Leetch had no problem getting ice time in NY back in the day.
Zubov and Leetch, nice.

And who is Dion Phaneuf in this scenario?

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What if I told you we need more than one?

Keeping both Gardiner and Rielly means one will be underutilized, which is poor asset management.
What? Having 2 dominant PMDs on separate lines would be great especially as they get better defensively.

Gardiner is an RFA for another 3 or 4 years and Rielly is an RFA for 6+. Unless they start putting up ridiculous #'s soon then we should be able to keep them to good cap managing contracts.

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Cup ,no.

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Any other grand predictions, wise one?
Who will win the Stanley cup?
We have Gardiner,Reilly and Finn.Of the three I see Reilly as a potential 70 pt(peak year) rushing dman who will give other teams fits.I dont see Gardiner scoring 60pts but being very valuable.I also see to win the East we need a star center ,a replacement for Sundin,if you will.People say we dont need one? Barkov is only going so low 4 to 5,because the draft is that strong,I cant recall a draft this good in quite a while(20 years?)

Cup winner this year? Yeah right. L.A,Chicago or Pitts.

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What? Having 2 dominant PMDs on separate lines would be great especially as they get better defensively.

Gardiner is an RFA for another 3 or 4 years and Rielly is an RFA for 6+. Unless they start putting up ridiculous #'s soon then we should be able to keep them to good cap managing contracts.
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Phaneuf, Gardiner, Rielly.

Who plays on the first power play unit? Who plays when there's one minute left, and we're down one?

One of those defenders is going to be sitting on the bench in crucial moments when he should be playing. One will be underutilized. It's inevitable.
Is Dion Phaneuf going somewhere? Because I assure you he will be apart of this team for a very long time.

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05-12-2013, 04:15 PM
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If he was $5 million.

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Is Dion Phaneuf going somewhere? Because I assure you he will be apart of this team for a very long time.
You could assure us.At $6.5M, if we lose,anything can happen. Phaneuff is a number 2 dman,we may need an upgrade at that postion.

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Zubov and Leetch, nice.

And who is Dion Phaneuf in this scenario?
HE's the lucky ******* that gets to play 13min with one and 13min with the other.

THey play 13min together and 13min each with Dion. There is enough ice time to go around.

ANH did it with Nieds, Prong and BEauch the year they won the cup.

YOU guys need to get it into your head, just having enough to be good is not good enough to be champs.

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Gardiner is, and should be for the next couple of years, considered as close to untouchable as it gets.

Rielly and Gardiner are very different players and should be treated as such in their respective developments.

Jake Gardiner is a two way d with the size to make a big impact on the back end as he continues to learn (and these playoffs are making him even better IMO)

Morgan Rielly is a rush first, mobile offensive defenseman with great speed to recover (Gardiner also has this, but relies on positioning and neutral zone creativity a lot more for his offensive success)

I for one am very tired of seeing the leafs be a - 'move up the ice in a defensive pair scheme' because they do not currently have a lot of high IQ puck moving d men

People posting the propect of trading Gardiner are offside imo because of his high ceiling.

The leafs really need to consider trading either Phaneuf,Gunn or Fraser. Phaneuf being the ideal candidate in the next couple of years for the movement because of the return.

I would much rather see a d corps of rielly, gardiner, franson, gunnarson, fraser, liles and someone like Leopold (offseason UFA) than sacrifice reduced cap space on a 6.5 million dollar phaneuf and lose someone like franson, gardiner and or gunnarsson in the process. He's just not worth it IMO moving forward.
I agree with this.

Moving young talent shouldn't be an option, the only option should be moving existing/aging talent for more younger talent.

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Phaneuf, Gardiner, Rielly.

Who plays on the first power play unit? Who plays when there's one minute left, and we're down one?

One of those defenders is going to be sitting on the bench in crucial moments when he should be playing. One will be underutilized. It's inevitable.
Your whole argument is irreverent and confusing.

Its like saying why does Pittsburgh need Malkin when they have Crosby already? Why don't they just move Malkin?

You've hit a roadblock, move onto another argument.

I doubt Rielly and Gardiner are going to be crying for more PP time hahaha

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05-12-2013, 04:59 PM
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Your whole argument is irreverent and confusing.

Its like saying why does Pittsburgh need Malkin when they have Crosby already? Why don't they just move Malkin?

You've hit a roadblock, move onto another argument.

I doubt Rielly and Gardiner are going to be crying for more PP time hahaha
You're definitely confused, I'll give you that.

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Is Dion Phaneuf going somewhere? Because I assure you he will be apart of this team for a very long time.
Phaneuf wont be 28 forever. By the time rielly really hits his stride and establishes himself as a bondafide top pairing defender (and this will take some time, he will first need to break out and then establish that his breakout season was no fluke) phaneuf will be 32ish. Phaneuf plays a very physically demanding game and his play will therefore decline rapidly with age. Trading an in-his-prime gardiner or an emerging rielly instead of just limiting* an aging phaneuf's minutes would be poor decision making.

And by 'limiting his minutes', I mean play him around 23-24 minutes a night and on 2nd pp, he will be okay.

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Is Dion Phaneuf going somewhere? Because I assure you he will be apart of this team for a very long time.
One of them pairs with Phaneuf on the top pair, still not a huge issue ATM. Unless we're getting proven star quality centers back for them then there's no point in dealing any of them.

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One of them pairs with Phaneuf on the top pair, still not a huge issue ATM. Unless we're getting proven star quality centers back for them then there's no point in dealing any of them.
Well yeah, that's the idea.

I don't think anyone here wants to trade either for Travis Zajac.

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Zubov and Leetch, nice.

And who is Dion Phaneuf in this scenario?
He can be Kevin Lowe if he wants...

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What a crazy shift for Gards.

Gives up the puck behind the net. Intercepts the breakout pass at the top of the circles.

He is going to be something if he can take the next step mentally.

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WHen Gards has the puck the Briuns don't have a clue what to do other than collapse in the zone.

A wildcard is a good thing to have.

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Gardiner is so awesome. I don't understand what people are smoking when they say they want him traded.

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Gardiner is so awesome. I don't understand what people are smoking when they say they want him traded.
It is the potential return. Very tempting.

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If Edmonton offered their 7th overall pick for Gardiner, it will be a tough decision, but a draft this deep, you certainly do think about it.

Could be Monahan, Barkov, or even Nichuskin. That good but a price if you want to reunite Schultz and Gardiner.

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Gardiner is so awesome. I don't understand what people are smoking when they say they want him traded.
just going to say **** off to those people.

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If Edmonton offered their 7th overall pick for Gardiner, it will be a tough decision, but a draft this deep, you certainly do think about it.

Could be Monahan, Barkov, or even Nickhuskin. That good but a price if you want to reunite Schultz and Gardiner.
I would ask for Fistric and then add a 2nd going back to EDM.

Gards has a top 4 spot next year. Got to fill it one way or another. Fistric, could be the defensive specialist many have been wanting.

But ya, a shot at Monahan is definitely worth some thought.

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I would ask for Fistric and then add a 2nd going back to EDM.

Gards has a top 4 spot next year. Got to fill it one way or another. Fistric, could be the defensive specialist many have been wanting.

But ya, a shot at Monahan is definitely worth some thought.
If we didn't have Rielly, it would be a move not worth making. But a guy like Monahan? You definitely have to consider, since #1C's are so hard to trade for, near impossible, the only way to get them is draft them these days.

Monahan for Gardiner is food for thought. If Nonis is at the table and Monahan is still there when Edmonton picks, I just may pull the trigger, don't think EDM need another Center, but we do.

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If we didn't have Rielly, it would be a move not worth making. But a guy like Monahan? You definitely have to consider, since #1C's are so hard to trade for, near impossible, the only way to get them is draft them these days.

Monahan for Gardiner is food for thought. If Nonis is at the table and Monahan is still there when Edmonton picks, I just may pull the trigger, don't think EDM need another Center, but we do.
If EDM wants Monahan to continue their never ending rebuild, our 1st for Gagne should be our offer.

But that belongs in another thread.

I can't do Gards for #7 straight up even though it is tempting. I think we need to grab a D-man in return.

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