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05-12-2013, 09:11 PM
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I think you jut have zero perspective.
What a silly, asinine thing to say. You have no idea how long I have been watching this team/hockey. I'm going to guess its probably longer than you.

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05-12-2013, 09:46 PM
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What a silly, asinine thing to say. You have no idea how long I have been watching this team/hockey. I'm going to guess its probably longer than you.
Right, because longevity as a fan has anything to do with it. Most fans I know, of every sport and of every age, are stupid. I'm not saying you are. I'm saying that's a terrible argument.

We can all disagree about whether or not the team has been playing mediocre or if we're just seeing two really, really evenly matched teams with enough experience against each other to make one another look bad. That is no excuse for saying you want them to lose game 7. Terrible mindset.

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Right, because longevity as a fan has anything to do with it. Most fans I know, of every sport and of every age, are stupid. I'm not saying you are. I'm saying that's a terrible argument.

We can all disagree about whether or not the team has been playing mediocre or if we're just seeing two really, really evenly matched teams with enough experience against each other to make one another look bad. That is no excuse for saying you want them to lose game 7. Terrible mindset.
He said I lacked perspective, which would indicate I haven't watched much hockey. I have watched a **** load of hockey in my life time. I have PLENTY of perspective.

Plus, I think you are taking my response to the Rangers losing out of context. The original quote was, (paraphrasing)"If Torts wins games 6,7, he will be here a long time." Well, I would rather the Rangers lose than have to suffer that clown anymore.

What good is winning against the Capitals. If it means suffering Torts for another 3 years? Wasting Hank, and not winning a cup? How is that for perspective?

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05-12-2013, 09:58 PM
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He said I lacked perspective, which would indicate I haven't watched much hockey. I have watched a **** load of hockey in my life time. I have PLENTY of perspective.

Plus, I think you are taking my response to the Rangers losing out of context. The original quote was, (paraphrasing)"If Torts wins games 6,7, he will be here a long time." Well, I would rather the Rangers lose than have to suffer that clown anymore.

What good is winning against the Capitals. If it means suffering Torts for another 3 years? Wasting Hank, and not winning a cup? How is that for perspective?
If the Rangers get into the 2nd round, they're just as likely to win the Cup this year as they are to waste Lundqvist's window.

I don't think you know what the word perspective means. It isn't gained by simply watching games.

I was taking nothing out of context. I don't care about your predictions. The idea of a Rangers fan rooting against the Rangers for even one game, for any reason, is abhorrent to me. There's a reason it's called die-hard.

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05-12-2013, 10:02 PM
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If the Rangers get into the 2nd round, they're just as likely to win the Cup this year as they are to waste Lundqvist's window.

I don't think you know what the word perspective means. It isn't gained by simply watching games.

I was taking nothing out of context. I don't care about your predictions. The idea of a Rangers fan rooting against the Rangers for even one game, for any reason, is abhorrent to me. There's a reason it's called die-hard.
You can always put me on ignore. Then I won't insult your sensibilities. Btw, how does one gain perspective on watching professional sports other than watching games and living through the various GM's and owners through the eras?

You may not agree with my opinion. That is fine. But you can't really argue I don't have perspective.


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You can always put me on ignore. Then I won't insult your sensibilities. Btw, how does one gain perspective on watching professional sports other than watching games and living through the various GM's and owners through various eras?

You may not agree with my opinion. That is fine. But you can't really argue I don't have perspective.
Yeah, I can. Again, simply watching the games and living through the times doesn't give a person perspective. The ability to analyze events and see how the fit into a larger whole... that's perspective. Not everyone has it, which was my point. If you aren't great at understanding events to begin with, then you will never have it.

Honestly, I'm not even casting judgment on whether or not you have any amount of perspective. I just take issue with the idea that simply watching games gives it to you. Most people never have it. Very, very few people on this particular board do, that's for sure.

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05-12-2013, 10:20 PM
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Yeah, I can. Again, simply watching the games and living through the times doesn't give a person perspective. The ability to analyze events and see how the fit into a larger whole... that's perspective. Not everyone has it, which was my point. If you aren't great at understanding events to begin with, then you will never have it.

Honestly, I'm not even casting judgment on whether or not you have any amount of perspective. I just take issue with the idea that simply watching games gives it to you. Most people never have it. Very, very few people on this particular board do, that's for sure.
Having perspective is seeing a situation and putting into context. I see John Tortorella who has two playoff victories against(imo)marginal teams. Barely winning those two series mind you, repeating the same old nonsense as before.

We could win tomorrow, we could lose. But thats irrelevant to me, when I see a man who(imo)can't coach a transitional game in the modern NHL. That is benefiting, greatly, with generational goalie talent with Hank. Who insists on a collapsing zone defense which allows opposing Dmen point shots all day and night. Plus, it hinders our transition game.

So, the Rangers continue on this path of playing(imo)an inferior system with an inferior coach. What happen when the Rangers actually have to play a highly skilled team that can play defense? You would think that would inevitably happen if were to win a cup. Do I think Torts can do that? Considering he has been out coached by pretty much everyone(imo)?

From my perspective? No. Now your perspective may be different. But, I'm entitled to mine.


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05-12-2013, 10:23 PM
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From my perspective? No. Now your perspective may be different. But, I'm entitled to mine.
Having a perspective and having perspective aren't the same thing.

As for all that other stuff, I think I have this problem with fans in general. You root for the guys that your team has, no matter who they are. If you'd like to see them gone, fine. But while they're here, you root for them.

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Having a perspective and having perspective aren't the same thing.

As for all that other stuff, I think I have this problem with fans in general. You root for the guys that your team has, no matter who they are. If you'd like to see them gone, fine. But while they're here, you root for them.
Just to clarify, I am not rooting against the players. I'm rooting against the coach having a job with this team.

Plus, your getting into semantics about the whole perspective thing.

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Just to clarify, I am not rooting against the players. I'm rooting against the coach having a job with this team.

Plus, your getting into semantics about the whole perspective thing.
If you are rooting for the team to not have as much success as possible, in order for the coach to get fired, you are rooting against the players.

And semantics arguments are valid ones. Never understood that dismissal. We're talking about two different things. Nobody ever said you weren't entitled to your opinion/perspective.

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If you are rooting for the team to not have as much success as possible, in order for the coach to get fired, you are rooting against the players.

And semantics arguments are valid ones. Never understood that dismissal. We're talking about two different things. Nobody ever said you weren't entitled to your opinion/perspective.
Well, the way I see it:

The longer Torts is coaching this team, is the longer the Rangers don't win a cup. Since, the whole reason to play in the NHL is either money or winning a stanley cup; I think Torts is impeding their chances. I don't think its in the best interest of the players.

But, its a moot point, since I don't control the destiny of whether the Rangers win or lose.

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Well, the way I see it:

The longer Torts is coaching this team, is the longer the Rangers don't win a cup. Since, the whole reason to play in the NHL is either money or winning a stanley cup; I think Torts is impeding their chances. I don't think its in the best interest of the players.

But, its a moot point, since I don't control the destiny of whether the Rangers win or lose.
Which is why die-hards always root for the team, no matter the personnel.

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Alright, alright, let's steer this away from talking about posters to talking about Torts.

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Which is why die-hards always root for the team, no matter the personnel.
In your opinion. Everyone roots for their team in different ways. I root for the Rangers not hitting their heads against a brick wall with our lunatic coach. In my opinion.

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Did I see Tortorella storm off from the presser?

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Did I see Tortorella storm off from the presser?
Not really. He was being asked a bunch of bad/poorly worded questions and was getting fed up with them. More of the "talk about..." ledes. Poor journalism and bad reporters. Learn how to formulate a question.

The room was told they had one last question, and the guy asked a yes or no question -- I forget the exact phrasing, but it was basically "Are you worried about the offense?" Torts responded "No," and left.

Trautwig even called the reporter out jokingly in the post game afterward and said through tears of laughter "If you want a quote, don't ask a yes or no question as the last question!!"

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What a silly, asinine thing to say. You have no idea how long I have been watching this team/hockey. I'm going to guess its probably longer than you.
I dont give a damn how long you've been watching hockey. Judging by your comments about openly rooting for the team to lose so a coaching change can take place, it sure seems like you havent used all that hockey watching time to analyze this situation and put it into perspective.

This organization has 1 cup in 73 years. Its difficult to win the Stanley Cup. They currently have a coach that, yes, has his flaws -- hes also less than a year removed from the Rangers' best performance in close to 20 years. This current roster has had 2 major overhauls since July, no training camp, a strike shortened season, and a supposed #1 center who cant get out of his own way. Yet, here we are, heading into a game 7 against one of the hottest teams in the league down the stretch. For you to scapegoat the coach and pin the entire lack of a current or future Stanley Cup on him lacks perspective.

I hope that this teams wins tonight, and goes on a massive run in the current weeks to make you look like a fool but you already look like one by openly rooting for your team to lose playoff games because you think you know better about the coaching situation.

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There's no excuse for how bad this PP has been in this series, or over the last several years.

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I dont give a damn how long you've been watching hockey. Judging by your comments about openly rooting for the team to lose so a coaching change can take place, it sure seems like you havent used all that hockey watching time to analyze this situation and put it into perspective.

This organization has 1 cup in 73 years. Its difficult to win the Stanley Cup. They currently have a coach that, yes, has his flaws -- hes also less than a year removed from the Rangers' best performance in close to 20 years. This current roster has had 2 major overhauls since July, no training camp, a strike shortened season, and a supposed #1 center who cant get out of his own way. Yet, here we are, heading into a game 7 against one of the hottest teams in the league down the stretch. For you to scapegoat the coach and pin the entire lack of a current or future Stanley Cup on him lacks perspective.

I hope that this teams wins tonight, and goes on a massive run in the current weeks to make you look like a fool but you already look like one by openly rooting for your team to lose playoff games because you think you know better about the coaching situation.
It's also difficult to NOT win a cup and be that inept for such a consistent time ESPECIALLY with the advantages the Rangers have had and do have. If some1 is of the opinion that torts is such a bad coach that he can never get us a cup then that's their opinion. there are plenty of coaches who this is true for. With how badly this team has struggled in key areas consistently for YEARS under Torts it's a valid opinion.
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There's no excuse for how bad this PP has been in this series, or over the last several years.
Seeing as how he got us 2 games away from the SCF the opposing opinion would also be valid. As terrible as certain aspects of this team have been our D and heart have been top notch. Is the lack of skill more a coach or GM problem? My thought is GM.

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There's no excuse for how bad this PP has been in this series, or over the last several years.
This. I am starting to believe it has sometrhing to do with the lack of skill players that this team develops. No one can control the puck outside of Stepan and MZA.

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It's also difficult to NOT win a cup and be that inept for such a consistent time ESPECIALLY with the advantages the Rangers have had and do have.
I honestly dont get where this sense of entitlement comes from while being a Ranger fan. Its absurd.

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This. I am starting to believe it has sometrhing to do with the lack of skill players that this team develops. No one can control the puck outside of Stepan and MZA.
Yeah, it's definitely systematic.

Se don't pass the puck stick to stick, we put it into areas. When we go on the PP, we are forced to adjust and play a diffrent type of game and that is tough. You want a PP to be like your 5 on 5 game as much as possible normally, but you can of course not play on the PP like we do 5 on 5.

You cannot take 2-3 bad decisions on a PP. Early last night we won a draw and Girardi took a shot when everyone backed away from the net to get open. We lost the next draw and our "1st unit" (Brass and Zucc) never where able to set up, we only got something going again with 40 sec left. Boyle got the on the subsequent PP, waited to long alon the left boards close to the blueline, and we had to start again. Another 40 sec wasted.

We just hold on to the puck so poorly, it's never present in our 5 on 5 game to make plays and we can adjust on the PP.

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Yeah, it's definitely systematic.

Se don't pass the puck stick to stick, we put it into areas. When we go on the PP, we are forced to adjust and play a diffrent type of game and that is tough. You want a PP to be like your 5 on 5 game as much as possible normally, but you can of course not play on the PP like we do 5 on 5.

You cannot take 2-3 bad decisions on a PP. Early last night we won a draw and Girardi took a shot when everyone backed away from the net to get open. We lost the next draw and our "1st unit" (Brass and Zucc) never where able to set up, we only got something going again with 40 sec left. Boyle got the on the subsequent PP, waited to long alon the left boards close to the blueline, and we had to start again. Another 40 sec wasted.

We just hold on to the puck so poorly, it's never present in our 5 on 5 game to make plays and we can adjust on the PP.
True. But we win games by JAM and JAM only & that is that.
Hope for a win but gave up on watching entertaining Ranger hockey long ago (although the Pittsburgh blowout was really fun)

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True. But we win games by JAM and JAM only & that is that.
Hope for a win but gave up on watching entertaining Ranger hockey long ago (although the Pittsburgh blowout was really fun)
Hitting, defense, and goaltending are just as exciting to most people.

But you're based in Europe, so I understand.

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