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05-12-2013, 09:12 PM
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I'd still take him, he could be playing injured? Either way he'd bring some elements to the team that we sorely lack. I surely wouldn't deal any of our big 5 for him though.
Other then size he hasn't brought anything to this series. He's not his usual self where he's running over everything in sight. Can't help but think his new contract may have gone to his head and he things he getting paid to score goals instead of running over anything that moves. It's pretty sad when guys I've never heard of on the Leafs are playing more physical then the guy who's known for it.

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And now he scores a big goal for the team by going to the net.

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After watching this Tor-Bos series I can't help but wonder WTF happened to Lucic. I wouldn't even give up Hemsky for him at this point with his cap hit going up to 6M next year.
His questionable play is the only reason he'd even be available. I'd absolutely still go after him

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Other then size he hasn't brought anything to this series. He's not his usual self where he's running over everything in sight. Can't help but think his new contract may have gone to his head and he things he getting paid to score goals instead of running over anything that moves. It's pretty sad when guys I've never heard of on the Leafs are playing more physical then the guy who's known for it.
We all know that he has it in him, every player has seasons that are less productive than their previous ones. He's young enough that he should rebound well.

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And now he scores a big goal for the team by going to the net.
Bingo, he can still be useful and is likely one of their top scorers in this series.

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His questionable play is the only reason he'd even be available. I'd absolutely still go after him
Exactly, if he was playing at his best there's no way that we could call Chiarelli without him wanting to kick MacT in the balls for even calling about him.

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Exactly, if he was playing at his best there's no way that we could call Chiarelli without him wanting to kick MacT in the balls for even calling about him.
The other thing is that if Boston gets punted in the first round, there will be changes, especially with all the rumours that Lucic could have been available before the deadline. Not sure I buy that, but he has fallen far in the eyes of Bruin fans.

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Both Horton & Lucic have been better in this series than they have for most of the season.

It's ironically the Bergeron line, which carried them during the season, which has disappeared.

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The other thing is that if Boston gets punted in the first round, there will be changes, especially with all the rumours that Lucic could have been available before the deadline. Not sure I buy that, but he has fallen far in the eyes of Bruin fans.
It's because of this and their excess of toughness that I am hoping that Toronto takes them out. If we could land Lucic and sign Horton that would give us an interesting potential top 6:

Hall-RNH-Eberle
Lucic-Horton-Yakupov

deal Gagner and Hemsky for help on D or in the bottom 6.

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Both Horton & Lucic have been better in this series than they have for most of the season.

It's ironically the Bergeron line, which carried them during the season, which has disappeared.
Yup, that said it doesn't mean that the regular season has been forgotten by management.

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7th Pick + N.Schultz for MDZ + B.Boyle
NYR likely says no to this. MDZ>7th overall and Boyle>Schultz

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It's because of this and their excess of toughness that I am hoping that Toronto takes them out. If we could land Lucic and sign Horton that would give us an interesting potential top 6:

Hall-RNH-Eberle
Lucic-Horton-Yakupov

deal Gagner and Hemsky for help on D or in the bottom 6.



Yup, that said it doesn't mean that the regular season has been forgotten by management.
Horton at C?

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I'm gonna get ripped on this but here is my 'BOLD' move success scenario

Trade: Eberle Marincin 2014 & 2015 1st for Weber

Trade: Gagner Shultz 2013 2nd for Alzner

Sign Horton and Bickell and a promising younger goalie

Resign Jones

Trade Hemsky and Belanger for anything

Draft Monahan

Hire Tippett as head coach

Hall Horc Yak
Horton RNH MPS
Bickell Lander Harti
Jones Smyth/Smithson Brown

Weber Alzner
Petry JShultz
Smid Fistric/Klefbom

Dubnyk
TBA

Still some work to do on the bottom 6 but we have increased our size, grit and skill. Our defense and coaching upgrades are game changers

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I'm gonna get ripped on this but here is my 'BOLD' move success scenario

Trade: Eberle Marincin 2014 & 2015 1st for Weber
Nowhere near enough. But solid base to this deal I'd say. I think it'll take something like Petry or Klefbom instead of Marincin to get the Preds interested...

Eberle, Klefbom, 2013 1st, 2014 2nd, conditional 2014 1st (if Oil make 2nd round playoffs)

Similar to the Pronger package, with a little bit more value in it

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Trade: Gagner Shultz 2013 2nd for Alzner
Nice idea here, sending back an LD to WAS in this deal. Value's probably fair here as well. I just think WAS is too reliant on Alzner's role as their top LD to move him.

I don't know if they get desperate enough to do this if Ribeiro leaves. I think they just move Johansson to 2C and try to fill that 1RW role with a UFA of some sort. Maybe Kuznetsov comes over sometime soon, he'll be instantly ready to be 2C.

Starting Lander at 3C is a risky move, I'd probably just stick with Horcoff for now, or buy him out and sign a Max Lapierre or something in that role.

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I'm starting to think that maybe it's possible that the Blues would do Nick Schultz + 1st in 2013 for Shattenkirk.

If they did that, and then we signed, say, Scuderi and Hainsey:

Smid-Shattenkirk
Scuderi-J.Schultz
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I'm starting to think that maybe it's possible that the Blues would do Nick Schultz + 1st in 2013 for Shattenkirk.

If they did that, and then we signed, say, Scuderi and Hainsey:

Smid-Shattenkirk
Scuderi-J.Schultz
Hainsey-Petry
Potter/Klefbom
I say 1st in 2014 and a conditional second instead of the first in 2013

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I'm starting to think that maybe it's possible that the Blues would do Nick Schultz + 1st in 2013 for Shattenkirk.

If they did that, and then we signed, say, Scuderi and Hainsey:

Smid-Shattenkirk
Scuderi-J.Schultz
Hainsey-Petry
Potter/Klefbom
Not only is STL going to keep Shattenkirk, the value you proposed was bad.

Shattenkirk is basically a top-pairing defenseman playing 2nd pairing due to Pietrangelo's presence. He's better than MDZ, who's been brought up on this board already, and is going to cost more than Nick Schultz and 7th overall to acquire.

Young puck-moving defensemen that put up 40+ pts, play the PP, and can play top pairing type of role don't come for cheap.

If they move Shatty it's probably in a package for one of the big-4 F's, or J.Schultz+

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Horton at C?
I believe that he played C at some point in Florida and was drafted as a C as well.

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I believe that he played C at some point in Florida and was drafted as a C as well.
He's had 1 season since his rookie year that he's taken over 85 faceoffs and was 43.7%. He's taken 32 faceoffs in the last 3 years.
I just think we're already too weak of a faceoff team to be experimenting

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Not only is STL going to keep Shattenkirk, the value you proposed was bad.

Shattenkirk is basically a top-pairing defenseman playing 2nd pairing due to Pietrangelo's presence. He's better than MDZ, who's been brought up on this board already, and is going to cost more than Nick Schultz and 7th overall to acquire.

Young puck-moving defensemen that put up 40+ pts, play the PP, and can play top pairing type of role don't come for cheap.

If they move Shatty it's probably in a package for one of the big-4 F's, or J.Schultz+
Generally speaking I agree with you - it depends what ownership wants to do with their team.

They do have cap space problems.

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Sign Bozak, Regher, Clowe, Armstrong, Handzus/Gordon

Buyout Horcoff, Nick schultz
Trade Hemsky for a Tough top nine forward

Draft Monahan
Offer sheet one of the RFAS like Mcdouagh, Shattenkirk, Alzner
Give up 1st , 2nd 3rd for one of these guys any day of the week.

Hall Gagner Yakupov
Clowe Bozak Eberle
Paajarvi Monahan Clutterbuck
Smyth Handzus Armstrong
EX : BROWN
IR:Hopkins

Smid Petry
Alzner J.Schultz
Regher Klefbom
Fistric potter

Dubnyk
Griess/Boston guy/etc

Send down Monahan after Game Nine

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Generally speaking I agree with you - it depends what ownership wants to do with their team.

They do have cap space problems.
Their GM announced after grabbing Bouwmeester that the deal would have no effect on re-signing their RFA's

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Their GM announced after grabbing Bouwmeester that the deal would have no effect on re-signing their RFA's
Nice, the same way GM's will give "votes of confidence" to their coaches, and those guys are NEVER fired.

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So Berglund out on the PK when the series is on the line, something tells me GA/60 is meaningless.

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So if Clutterbuck is put on the market this offseason (speculation from Wild fans is that they won't be able to afford him), would we be interested?

Considering they are leaving our division, I'd assume we'd get a fair shot at getting him.
You have to be interested. As for what happened between him and Hall you'd find out pretty quick if Clutterbuck still holds that knee hit against him.

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The problem is, Martin struggled for one season. Volchenkov has had multiple seasons of uninspired play. He looks timid and his normally sound defensive acumen doesn't seem to be there.

For the record, I would've given Martin another shot. Same with Myers (writing off a 23 y/o with his tools is absurd).

I wonder if Brooks Orpik could be had from the Pens though...
I agree. Volchenkov has struggled since the day he got to NJ. Well maybe not struggled, but underachieved. Volchenkov played the least amount of minutes per game this year. In the playoffs last year he was a #6 d-man and in the regular season he was barely playing more than Kurtis Foster. If it weren't for his PK time he'd be outright useless. If you can sign him as a #6/#7 to a one year deal at 700k then fine take a chance on him, otherwise nope.

I too wanted to take a chance on Martin.

As for moving Orpik, I think it would be a mistake. He is their shutdown d-man and they really would miss him. As it is I'd be looking at who can be brought in to help with the shutdown part next year if I'm Shero.

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He's had 1 season since his rookie year that he's taken over 85 faceoffs and was 43.7%. He's taken 32 faceoffs in the last 3 years.
I just think we're already too weak of a faceoff team to be experimenting
He took 850 draws in 08-09, 43% though.

It was my impression that with Weiss, Jokinen, Nieuwendyk and Stumpel that Horton to center was the best fit for the Panthers.

At this point I don't think you want him as a center though. An option if injuries occur sure, but not as an everyday center.

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